Re: Calzaghe Vs Pavlik?????
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miles
Calzaghe can beat Pavlik. But Calzaghe cannot afford to fight like he did against Hopkins. I thought Calzaghe won by a couple of rounds but there were things that have made me think a little.
Calzaghe with his A game decisions Pavlik handily...
Remember though Pavlik and Hopkins are opposites.
Ultra defensive compared with ultra offensive.
Win or lose Calzaghe will look better than he did against Hopkins... well sorta, he wont look good sparked out but I doubt that will happen
Calzaghe has a good chin and we all know I'm not a hater... Quite to the contrary I think Joe C is a great champ...
But make no mistake, he has NEVER fought anybody with the pop Kelly has...
People keep mentioning Kessler above. Kessler, although his record shows a 74% KO winning percentage, look who they're against... Used up war horses and tomato cans...
Kessler is actually a very well schooled technical boxer... More that then anything... He is not the power puncher people make him out to be...
Re: Calzaghe Vs Pavlik?????
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
miles
Calzaghe can beat Pavlik. But Calzaghe cannot afford to fight like he did against Hopkins. I thought Calzaghe won by a couple of rounds but there were things that have made me think a little.
Calzaghe with his A game decisions Pavlik handily...
Remember though Pavlik and Hopkins are opposites.
Ultra defensive compared with ultra offensive.
Win or lose Calzaghe will look better than he did against Hopkins (well sort of, he wont look good sparked out but I doubt that will happen)
Yeah, completely different fighters. Calzaghe was sloppy against Hopkins though. Hopkins is impossible to look good against, but Calzaghe wasnt quite in the zone that night. The knockdown probably prepetuated the relatively conservative performance.
Calzaghe has the tools to make Pavlik look downright sloppy too. It has FOTY potential all over it.
Re: Calzaghe Vs Pavlik?????
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miles
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Fenster
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Originally Posted by
miles
Calzaghe can beat Pavlik. But Calzaghe cannot afford to fight like he did against Hopkins. I thought Calzaghe won by a couple of rounds but there were things that have made me think a little.
Calzaghe with his A game decisions Pavlik handily...
Remember though Pavlik and Hopkins are opposites.
Ultra defensive compared with ultra offensive.
Win or lose Calzaghe will look better than he did against Hopkins (well sort of, he wont look good sparked out but I doubt that will happen)
Yeah, completely different fighters. Calzaghe was sloppy against Hopkins though. Hopkins is impossible to look good against, but Calzaghe wasnt quite in the zone that night. The knockdown probably prepetuated the relatively conservative performance.
Calzaghe has the tools to make Pavlik look downright sloppy too. It has FOTY potential all over it.
FOTY... It will only be a FOTY candidate if Kelly KOs Joe... Case and point... I can't get up for that pitter pat, slap happy, partially blocked flurry style that Joe has... I think Joe was exciting in the begining of his career but not so much now... even when he wins by a large margin it's just...... Boring... Just me maybe.
FOTY would be Kelly lossing on points in a sea-saw battle and Kelly catching him on the button ala Taylor in the 11th...
Kinda like a dream I had;D
Re: Calzaghe Vs Pavlik?????
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PRIDE OF BOSTON
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
miles
Calzaghe can beat Pavlik. But Calzaghe cannot afford to fight like he did against Hopkins. I thought Calzaghe won by a couple of rounds but there were things that have made me think a little.
Calzaghe with his A game decisions Pavlik handily...
Remember though Pavlik and Hopkins are opposites.
Ultra defensive compared with ultra offensive.
Win or lose Calzaghe will look better than he did against Hopkins... well sorta, he wont look good sparked out but I doubt that will happen
Calzaghe has a good chin and we all know I'm not a hater... Quite to the contrary I think Joe C is a great champ...
But make no mistake, he has NEVER fought anybody with the pop Kelly has...
People keep mentioning Kessler above.
Kessler, although his record shows a 74% KO winning percentage, look who they're against... Used up war horses and tomato cans...
Kessler is actually a very well schooled technical boxer... More that then anything... He is not the power puncher people make him out to be...
And the bulk of Pavlik's KO's have not come against inferior comp?
Pavlik is a hard puncher, for sure, but he's KO'd a gassed Taylor. The only other fighter worth a mention is Miranda. Ancient old Howard Eastman had Miranda rocking all over the shop
Re: Calzaghe Vs Pavlik?????
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Fenster
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PRIDE OF BOSTON
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Fenster
Remember though Pavlik and Hopkins are opposites.
Ultra defensive compared with ultra offensive.
Win or lose Calzaghe will look better than he did against Hopkins... well sorta, he wont look good sparked out but I doubt that will happen
Calzaghe has a good chin and we all know I'm not a hater... Quite to the contrary I think Joe C is a great champ...
But make no mistake, he has NEVER fought anybody with the pop Kelly has...
People keep mentioning Kessler above.
Kessler, although his record shows a 74% KO winning percentage, look who they're against... Used up war horses and tomato cans...
Kessler is actually a very well schooled technical boxer... More that then anything... He is not the power puncher people make him out to be...
And the bulk of Pavlik's KO's have not come against inferior comp?
Pavlik is a hard puncher, for sure, but he's KO'd a gassed Taylor. The only other fighter worth a mention is Miranda. Ancient old Howard Eastman had Miranda rocking all over the shop
No, that's not being disputed... and Taylor wasn't out of gas... He got caught and finished... plain and simple. They were both tired.
I'm not disputing the fact that Pavilk has a padded record also but my point was that Kessler is not as hard a puncher as people make him out to be...
Kelly KO'd Miranda... a decent feat... Especially under the shelling he was getting in return... And Taylor is a tremendous fighter with good power that had already almost put him down for good... Kelly beat the man who beat the man twice... Kessler beat....................... Markus Beyer...
You know what I'm sayin...:cool:
Re: Calzaghe Vs Pavlik?????
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PRIDE OF BOSTON
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Fenster
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PRIDE OF BOSTON
Calzaghe has a good chin and we all know I'm not a hater... Quite to the contrary I think Joe C is a great champ...
But make no mistake, he has NEVER fought anybody with the pop Kelly has...
People keep mentioning Kessler above. Kessler, although his record shows a 74% KO winning percentage, look who they're against... Used up war horses and tomato cans...
Kessler is actually a very well schooled technical boxer... More that then anything... He is not the power puncher people make him out to be...
And the bulk of Pavlik's KO's have not come against inferior comp?
Pavlik is a hard puncher, for sure, but he's KO'd a gassed Taylor. The only other fighter worth a mention is Miranda. Ancient old Howard Eastman had Miranda rocking all over the shop
No, that's not being disputed... and Taylor wasn't out of gas... He got caught and finished... plain and simple. They were both tired.
I'm not disputing the fact that Pavilk has a padded record also but my point was that Kessler is not as hard a puncher as people make him out to be...
Kelly KO'd Miranda... a decent feat... Especially under the shelling he was getting in return... And Taylor is a tremendous fighter with good power that had already almost put him down for good... Kelly beat the man who beat the man twice... Kessler beat....................... Markus Beyer...
You know what I'm sayin...:cool:
I'd fancy Kessler to KO Taylor too. Miranda definitely. I couldn't see Taylor almost having Kessler KO'd though. Kessler's chin is clearly far stronger than Kelly's.
You know what i'm saying, right ;)
Re: Calzaghe Vs Pavlik?????
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Fenster
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PRIDE OF BOSTON
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Fenster
And the bulk of Pavlik's KO's have not come against inferior comp?
Pavlik is a hard puncher, for sure, but he's KO'd a gassed Taylor. The only other fighter worth a mention is Miranda. Ancient old Howard Eastman had Miranda rocking all over the shop
No, that's not being disputed... and Taylor wasn't out of gas... He got caught and finished... plain and simple. They were both tired.
I'm not disputing the fact that Pavilk has a padded record also but my point was that Kessler is not as hard a puncher as people make him out to be...
Kelly KO'd Miranda... a decent feat... Especially under the shelling he was getting in return... And Taylor is a tremendous fighter with good power that had already almost put him down for good... Kelly beat the man who beat the man twice... Kessler beat....................... Markus Beyer...
You know what I'm sayin...:cool:
I'd fancy Kessler to KO Taylor too. Miranda definitely. I couldn't see Taylor almost having Kessler KO'd though. Kessler's chin is clearly far stronger than Kelly's.
You know what i'm saying, right ;)
I'd have to say those are pretty fair asumptions... I'd have to agree... With the exception of Kessler KOing Taylor. I may be giving Taylor a tad to much credit but... I don't see that haoppening. It's possible and Kessler is quite skilled and strong so maybe...
Yeah, I know what you're sayin;D
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BigH is a lurker... He just lurks... Watching like a creepy old man outside a victoria's secret;D
Re: Calzaghe Vs Pavlik?????
Glad to see you agree with Fenster.
You think Kessler would KO Kelly now as well, right?
Re: Calzaghe Vs Pavlik?????
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Glad to see you agree with Fenster.
You think Kessler would KO Kelly now as well, right?
Nah... I don't... If I don't really see him KOing the guy Pavlik KOd then I don't see him KOing Pavlik...
Re: Calzaghe Vs Pavlik?????
Re: Calzaghe Vs Pavlik?????
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ahh righto....;D
BigH is just lurking in here... Is he staring at me or you...?
I feel dirty...
Re: Calzaghe Vs Pavlik?????
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Fenster
I didn't think they would let him out for the 3rd.
To be fair though, Lockett had some brief success, unfortunately his best shots bounced back off Pavlik's bonce.
True. Lockett, was brave. He wasn't intimidated in any way and b taking a knee he attempted to do everything in his power to clutch onto his portion of the fight.
However, with such a monumental difference in class, I had to wonder whether or not Lockett had been used as a sacrificial lambe for Enzo and Frank to get a look at Pavlik firsthand and gauge him against a known quantity.
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I didn't think they would let him out for the 3rd.
To be fair though, Lockett had some brief success, unfortunately his best shots bounced back off Pavlik's bonce.
He never had a shot in hell but he tried and didn't stay down on one knee for ten like many would... He has courage and should be commended.
You seem rather different without VD's influence :-\
He just loves to torment people.
Wait until Duddy gets Ko'ed or if Hatton struggles with Pac......I'm screwed.
Re: Calzaghe Vs Pavlik?????
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[He just loves to torment people.
Wait until Duddy gets Ko'ed or if Hatton struggles with Pac......I'm screwed.
Either of those would upset me... Of course I expect Hatton to have trouble with Pac... But Duddy getting sparked is not on my "want to see" list:cool:
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PRIDE OF BOSTON
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hitmandonny
[He just loves to torment people.
Wait until Duddy gets Ko'ed or if Hatton struggles with Pac......I'm screwed.
Either of those would upset me... Of course I expect Hatton to have trouble with Pac... But Duddy getting sparked is not on my "want to see" list:cool:
I think seeing Duddy KO'ed would require a hugely exciting fight and I think there are only a select few that could possibly do it.
I just hope he's availed of his time off and practised some head movement or else we'll see plenty more blood when he fights the ghost.
