Congratulations David Haye. Magnificent effort. Fact.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

There is the sense that had Tomasz Adamek put up exactly the same level of performance, he would get a lot more credit for his efforts.

Of course he wouldn't whine about his toe at the end either.

Although to be fair he's Polish so we don't actually know or care what the fuck he says when he's talking. I doubt Merchant would even bother to interview him.

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Problem is, Adamek would never put up that kind of performance. I don't give him much of a chance against Vitali, but I know he's going to give it everything he has. He won't flop around, he won't make excuses, and he'll take chances knowing that it could get him knocked out. The guy fights with heart, unlike Haye.

Haye talked a big game but it was that, talk. He was in the fight early. He won round 3 on my scorecard and round 4 was close and some may have given him that round. As the fight wore on he didn't make an attempt to show any more aggression until the final round.

Lets be honest, he fought scared. He feared getting knocked out if he engaged more.

And the flopping. Yes, Wlad pushed him down at least 3 times. But Haye kept flopping. The one that a point was deducted was a clear flop!!! He was lunging in, ducking his head and upperbody so low that he could have bumped into me and he would have gone down. Then he'd look at the ref and cry about it.

Even the guardian and the BBC have included in their writeups that Haye was going down to the canvas too easily!!!!!

Haye's punch output was a joke. If you take away the 4-5 decent right hands he landed, then his punch output, excessive movement, and refusal to enage, was reminiscient of Ibragimov's con job against Wlad.

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The "experts" predicted an easy KO for Wlad. He would take Haye "whenever he felt like it"

Instead we saw SIZE determine the outcome.

A good big man beats a good little man.

Well done Wlad.

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You're as blind a fan as they come.
Fact.

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I'm a "blind fan" for congratulating both fighters? Fair enough...

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Not for congratulating both fighters.
For calling it a (cough... choke... gag) a magnificent effort.
C'mon, really...... we both know better than that.

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Were the HBO guys slaughterimnh Haye?

I';m surprised si many peopeke boiught thsi KO hypoe?

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First, how many drinks did you have when you typed this? ;D

To answer your question, yes, the HBO commentators were bashing Haye. Larry Merchant had some classic lines that made me lmao.

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I barely remember making this thread let alone that post ;D

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Haye left the ring as classless as the British fans were at the stadium that booed the Ukranian national anthem. It would be one thing if Haye hadn't talked half the smack he talked about Klitschko, creating a tee shirt, creating a video game, putting down Klistchko's former opponents - guys who went out on their shields mind you - but, having done all that talking, and then to spend the whole night running. He defrauded boxing fans around the world. He should be a ashamed. He could have had a whole broken foot, but once he stepped in that ring, he should have done what he could to be honorable. He's a shame. Hopefully, Haye retires into the British countryside and we never have to listen to him again. ALl that nonsense jibber jabber. Bait and switch. And to think he put down Cris Arreola. Cris has ten times the stones Haye has. The nerve. Really. At least Shane is shot, Haye fought like Shane did against Manny in his PRIME. We should ban discussion of Haye from this board. Haye is what turns people off to boxing. He's a bum. Off with his head.

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You seem upset Haye didn't get himself knocked out.

At least he learnt you a good lesson for the future - don't get fooled by HYPE!!! It's purpose is to sell fights ;)

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I'm upset because he didn't lay it on the line. He didn't try to win. He didn't press the action. He didn't do anything.

I have no problem with hype. Generally, hype is great because generally when fighters talk the talk, they walk the walk. The difference here was stark. For example, Carl Froch is an arrogant SOB. But, Carl Froch puts on a fun show. At least he backs his talk up. Haye is a charlatan. He's bad for boxing. As a fan of Haye's, you should be embarrassed.

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Haye left the ring as classless as the British fans were at the stadium that booed the Ukranian national anthem. It would be one thing if Haye hadn't talked half the smack he talked about Klitschko, creating a tee shirt, creating a video game, putting down Klistchko's former opponents - guys who went out on their shields mind you - but, having done all that talking, and then to spend the whole night running. He defrauded boxing fans around the world. He should be a ashamed. He could have had a whole broken foot, but once he stepped in that ring, he should have done what he could to be honorable. He's a shame. Hopefully, Haye retires into the British countryside and we never have to listen to him again. ALl that nonsense jibber jabber. Bait and switch. And to think he put down Cris Arreola. Cris has ten times the stones Haye has. The nerve. Really. At least Shane is shot, Haye fought like Shane did against Manny in his PRIME. We should ban discussion of Haye from this board. Haye is what turns people off to boxing. He's a bum. Off with his head.

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You seem upset Haye didn't get himself knocked out.

At least he learnt you a good lesson for the future - don't get fooled by HYPE!!! It's purpose is to sell fights ;)

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I'm upset because he didn't lay it on the line. He didn't try to win. He didn't press the action. He didn't do anything.

I have no problem with hype. Generally, hype is great because generally when fighters talk the talk, they walk the walk. The difference here was stark. For example, Carl Froch is an arrogant SOB. But, Carl Froch puts on a fun show. At least he backs his talk up. Haye is a charlatan. He's bad for boxing. As a fan of Haye's, you should be embarrassed.

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I should be embarrassed because the fighter I was supporting got outclassed? Don't be silly. Haye was beaten by the better man.

Do you believe everything you read? Fighters have been saying one thing only to do another for ever. If Haye fought to your instructions he would have probably been knocked out. But I guess that's what you're so upset about.

What happened to Wlad punishing him for 12 rounds before sparking him? Wlad was his usual self, which was simply to good for Haye. That's all there is to it.

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Haye left the ring as classless as the British fans were at the stadium that booed the Ukranian national anthem. It would be one thing if Haye hadn't talked half the smack he talked about Klitschko, creating a tee shirt, creating a video game, putting down Klistchko's former opponents - guys who went out on their shields mind you - but, having done all that talking, and then to spend the whole night running. He defrauded boxing fans around the world. He should be a ashamed. He could have had a whole broken foot, but once he stepped in that ring, he should have done what he could to be honorable. He's a shame. Hopefully, Haye retires into the British countryside and we never have to listen to him again. ALl that nonsense jibber jabber. Bait and switch. And to think he put down Cris Arreola. Cris has ten times the stones Haye has. The nerve. Really. At least Shane is shot, Haye fought like Shane did against Manny in his PRIME. We should ban discussion of Haye from this board. Haye is what turns people off to boxing. He's a bum. Off with his head.

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You seem upset Haye didn't get himself knocked out.

At least he learnt you a good lesson for the future - don't get fooled by HYPE!!! It's purpose is to sell fights ;)

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I'm upset because he didn't lay it on the line. He didn't try to win. He didn't press the action. He didn't do anything.

I have no problem with hype. Generally, hype is great because generally when fighters talk the talk, they walk the walk. The difference here was stark. For example, Carl Froch is an arrogant SOB. But, Carl Froch puts on a fun show. At least he backs his talk up. Haye is a charlatan. He's bad for boxing. As a fan of Haye's, you should be embarrassed.

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I should be embarrassed because the fighter I was supporting got outclassed? Don't be silly. Haye was beaten by the better man.

Do you believe everything you read? Fighters have been saying one thing only to do another for ever. If Haye fought to your instructions he would have probably been knocked out. But I guess that's what you're so upset about.

What happened to Wlad punishing him for 12 rounds before sparking him? Wlad was his usual self, which was simply to good for Haye. That's all there is to it.

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And of course there is the matter of Haye's "magnificent effort".

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Tough crowd! Fenster was drunk and having fun, stop getting so worked up about it all!

I think this thread is actually very funny. ;D

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Tough crowd! Fenster was drunk and having fun, stop getting so worked up about it all!

I think this thread is actually very funny. ;D

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;D

I knew the title would cause a frenzy. All my best ones come when i'm drunk.

I genuniely do feel Haye put up a good effort though. I am CERTAIN he did better than most people expected. Could he have been more adventurous? Yes. But Wlad was clearly to hard for him to figure out.

To be honest.... I also place some blame on Wlad. Had Wlad pressed the action more, maybe he would've FORCED Haye to make it more of a fight.

I'd like to see Wlad fight with a broken toe. Fact.

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Tough crowd! Fenster was drunk and having fun, stop getting so worked up about it all!

I think this thread is actually very funny. ;D

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;D

I knew the title would cause a frenzy. All my best ones come when i'm drunk.

I genuniely do feel Haye put up a good effort though. I am CERTAIN he did better than most people expected. Could he have been more adventurous? Yes. But Wlad was clearly to hard for him to figure out.

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To be fair I thought Haye was extremely effective in making Wlad miss and early on and it looked like it could have been a good fight, but Haye really tailed off until the last round. He survived, but I really feel that was all he was doing for long stretches of the fight. Just not willing to let anything go and you can't beat Wlad like that.

Others have said "same old Wlad", which is true, but I was impressed with Wlad. He was in there with someone that was clearly faster and if he actually had a punch output could have caused damage, but Haye clearly wasn't willing to do that. Wlad showed good generalship and he really seems to have mastered this style. That's why I would like to see a Valuev fight, just to see how he fights a bigger man himself. I find that fascinating.

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I'd like to see Wlad fight with a broken toe. Fact.

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What's a fact?
That you'd LIKE to see Wlad fight with a broken toe?
That Wlad would or wouldn't fight with a broken toe?
That the toe in FACT would be broken?

Your use of the word "fact" here is somewhat unclear.
Fact.

Fenster, I don't understand why it is so difficult for you to comprehend that if you are going to talk the talk, then you should walk the walk. Period. End of story.

Haye is horrible for boxing. Haye got the casual boxing fan to tune in because he did such a good job faking people into believing he would actually fight Wlad. And then once, the casual fan was tuned in, he put on a dreadful, dreadful performance. That is the kind of the performance that turns people off to boxing. In a time, where the sport isn't doing as well as it has in the past, performances like that, performances like Shane Mosley's against Pacquiao, irreparably hurt the cause. If Haye hadn't tried to convince everyone to believing that he would stand and fight Klitschko and that he would at least try to turn in a good performance, I wouldn't say anything. This performance would go under the radar. He tricked us. I applaud boxers like Matthew Hatton or Micheal Jennings, who although comparably outgunned, went into the lion's den as class acts and left it all in the ring, not fraudsters like David Haye.

As as fan of Haye, you should be gutted that he turned out to be such a fake and embarrassed because he turned out to not possess any mettle.

You're using reason and that's your first mistake.

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