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Never heard of the Duke Tito?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
I'll give you that. But I know a wise ancient old timer (:p) like you wouldn't entertain Kov banging out JC.
Hey I can sympathize with how you guys feel about Joe. I cherish my own superheroes too. ;D :D
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Originally Posted by ryanmanNever heard of the Duke Tito?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
I'll give you that. But I know a wise ancient old timer (:p) like you wouldn't entertain Kov banging out JC.
Hey I can sympathize with how you guys feel about Joe. I cherish my own superheroes too. ;D :D
Piffle. We don't need to do that. But there is no empirical evidence that Kov could bang out JC. Pure hyperbole.
Thought you were more sensible than that Tito.
For you Tito
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGU_4-5RaxU
Hey I love Blondie. ;D One of the few blondes I would've done if I could.
Aw shucks R-man.... there's no empirical evidence he wouldn't have gotten blasted out, either. It's all theories and fantasies anyway. ;)
Hell... if we can't pit our heroes against anyone from any era... and defend our guy.... what good are we? ;D
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Originally Posted by TitoFan
True enough Tito. But I'm not a man prone to hyperbole but I don't see the sense in pitting Ancient Joe that fought B Hop and RJJ and having him against a prime killer like Kov.
Maybe you Americans and Honorary Americans didn't know but JC was well past his best by the time he beat Lacy like a drum. Its all about perspective. The JC we saw was not the guy that fought Hopkins etc. He was done. What I'm saying is watch a 25-29 year old Calzaghe.
And seriously Javier Culson.
I think Calzaghe was always great, but I think the more refined, less powerful Calzaghe would have outboxed his younger self over 12. The experience and adaptability added to his greatness IMO. Calzaghe was vintage between Lacy and Kessler.Quote:
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Originally Posted by TitoFan
True enough Tito. But I'm not a man prone to hyperbole but I don't see the sense in pitting Ancient Joe that fought B Hop and RJJ and having him against a prime killer like Kov.
Maybe you Americans and Honorary Americans didn't know but JC was well past his best by the time he beat Lacy like a drum. Its all about perspective. The JC we saw was not the guy that fought Hopkins etc. He was done. What I'm saying is watch a 25-29 year old Calzaghe.
Represent! They nearly got a bronze!
That's often something I think about Miles. But what if JC had a proper coach? His dad was reading coaching manuals and staying one week ahead of Joe. I often felt that Joe was held back by his Dad's skill/ability/experience. Imagine JC with Roach or Hunter.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfI think Calzaghe was always great, but I think the more refined, less powerful Calzaghe would have outboxed his younger self over 12. The experience and adaptability added to his greatness IMO. Calzaghe was vintage between Lacy and Kessler.Quote:
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Originally Posted by TitoFan
True enough Tito. But I'm not a man prone to hyperbole but I don't see the sense in pitting Ancient Joe that fought B Hop and RJJ and having him against a prime killer like Kov.
Maybe you Americans and Honorary Americans didn't know but JC was well past his best by the time he beat Lacy like a drum. Its all about perspective. The JC we saw was not the guy that fought Hopkins etc. He was done. What I'm saying is watch a 25-29 year old Calzaghe.
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I thought he'd bring us our 1st Olympic gold, and it turned out to be Monica Puig who did it instead. ;D
And @Master would bum her,Quote:
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Originally Posted by ryanman
I thought he'd bring us our 1st Olympic gold, and it turned out to be Monica Puig who did it instead. ;D
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I thought he'd bring us our 1st Olympic gold, and it turned out to be Monica Puig who did it instead. ;D
With good reason. She's a fine specimen.
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Originally Posted by Fenster
All the fighters you mentioned, and you could include a few others as well, worked their way up through the weight divisions. Brook had fought exclusively at welter and jumped up to middleweight in one fell swoop to challenge one of the best MW's in history out of the blue. Big difference. Once he gets beaten he goes right back down. Again... big difference. Not taking anything away from the man. But it was a bad experiment gone wrong. Brook couldn't hurt GGG, and they both knew it.
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Originally Posted by FensterI never said Brook compares to those fighters. I helped Master understand the history of boxing.
Those fighters are an example of why it's NOT illogical for a fighter two weights below to be tougher than contenders/ex champions at the weight the champion fights at.
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