Terence Crawford vs. Julius Indongo ESPN

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Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

I supplied a lot of evidence, only fair to give you a chance to supply evidence in retort. Which good fighters did Marriaga beat?

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Evidence? Opinion doesn't equate to evidence.

You need to start by supplying the rankings you're using. And even then it's not evidence of ANYTHING other than the opinion of the specific rankings compiler.

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I supplied punch stats which you dismissed, the fact he floored him which you ignored, the fact that all the judges had it a wide decision and even the fans gave Marriaga 1 round. If all this is not evidence to you there is no such thing as evidence.

I'll tell you and show you which ratings I'm using when you tell which good opponents he's beaten

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Dismissed what? Since when have I disputed the Walters decision? Since when have I argued the quality of opposition Marriaga has beat?

All i've asked for is your "rankings" you keep referring too. If you want to keep them secret, fine, don't worry about it.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

I supplied a lot of evidence, only fair to give you a chance to supply evidence in retort. Which good fighters did Marriaga beat?

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Evidence? Opinion doesn't equate to evidence.

You need to start by supplying the rankings you're using. And even then it's not evidence of ANYTHING other than the opinion of the specific rankings compiler.

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I supplied punch stats which you dismissed, the fact he floored him which you ignored, the fact that all the judges had it a wide decision and even the fans gave Marriaga 1 round. If all this is not evidence to you there is no such thing as evidence.

I'll tell you and show you which ratings I'm using when you tell which good opponents he's beaten

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Dismissed what? Since when have I disputed the Walters decision? Since when have I argued the quality of opposition Marriaga has beat?

All i've asked for is your "rankings" you keep referring too. If you want to keep them secret, fine, don't worry about it.

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You've said multiple times Marriaga is "proven world class" the usual qualification for being proven world class in boxing is by beating a world class fighter. So you now admit, by repeatedly not naming a world class fighter he has beaten, that he hasn't beaten a world class fighter yes?

how about this, you tell me who you think is his best win and I'll supply many different rankings?(not until morning though because it is 2:28 and I need to be up in 3 and a half hours, do a few hours of work and then you'll have the rankings)

A solid performance from Loma as expected, he got a bit silly with all of the playing about though, yeah it was cracking when he was calling Marriaga into the corner inviting him to slug it out but then all the silly taps to the head were a bit much, it's alright being macho and getting into the opponents head but that was just a little childish and Loma was coming across as just being a little bored at that point.

He really is good though

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Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

You've said multiple times Marriaga is "proven world class" the usual qualification for being proven world class in boxing is by beating a world class fighter. So you now admit, by repeatedly not naming a world class fighter he has beaten, that he hasn't beaten a world class fighter yes?

how about this, you tell me who you think is his best win and I'll supply many different rankings?(not until morning though because it is 2:28 and I need to be up in 3 and a half hours, do a few hours of work and then you'll have the rankings)

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I never said Marriaga beat a "world-class" fighter, you've invented an argument in your head that hasn't got anything to do with what i've said.

No I wouldn't say the qualification for being "world-class" is necessarily determined by beating a world-class fighter, it depends on what you consider "world-class?" How does a fighter obtain a ranking with a governing body? It's certainly not determined by beating independently recognised world-class opposition. And all independent rankings use governing bodies as a guide to rating fighters.

There's many "world-class" fighters that are not champions purely because the division they operate in is so strong in depth. Or the era they fight in is so strong.

Okay. We've established you won't say who he has beaten that impressed. That's fine. I understand it because he hasn't beaten anyone of substance. We disagree on if the Walters loss should be included in propping him up. My point is it shouldn't because it was not competitive according to punch stats, scoring, or fans opinions. We can agree to disagree on that.

Where we differ most I suppose is I think Loma is special and because he is special he should fight other special fighters. Guys so good are rare, I don't want to see his talent wasted doing what normal fighters do.

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Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

Okay. We've established you won't say who he has beaten that impressed. That's fine. I understand it because he hasn't beaten anyone of substance. We disagree on if the Walters loss should be included in propping him up. My point is it shouldn't because it was not competitive according to punch stats, scoring, or fans opinions. We can agree to disagree on that.

Where we differ most I suppose is I think Loma is special and because he is special he should fight other special fighters. Guys so good are rare, I don't want to see his talent wasted doing what normal fighters do.

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No we agree on your last point too.

The only thing we disagree about is your use of bogus rankings. If you want to cite rankings to make a point then you need to provide a source/evidence so that they can be evaluated to ascertain whether or not they're worthy of consideration.

After 20 months out of the ring Bryant Jennings returns Saturday, live on the ESPN

Thanks Master, you da man :appl:

Obviously the Crawford Indongo fight is top drawer, but after that the best thing about this card is Dillian Whyte, particularly Dilliam Whyte's Instagram. The way the cunts been going on you'd think he was headlining at MSG, not propping up a card fighting a bloke no one has ever heard of.

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Originally Posted by Memphis

Thanks Master, you da man :appl:

Obviously the Crawford Indongo fight is top drawer, but after that the best thing about this card is Dillian Whyte, particularly Dilliam Whyte's Instagram. The way the cunts been going on you'd think he was headlining at MSG, not propping up a card fighting a bloke no one has ever heard of.

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It is free on ESPN. :)

I was talking to a lad at work today about this fight, he knows his boxing, big fan he is

Now I don't know if this has been discussed in this thread already (I don't think it has) but we were trying to think of the last time someone unified, neither of us could think, we would throw a name out there and the other would shoot it down.

The winner of this fight will be the first person to unify and hold all four belts since Jermain Taylor beat Hopkins in 2005, I think that makes this fight that little bit more special.

Crawford has said that winning this fight should make him p4p#1, without getting into all that nonsense again the achievement certainly wouldn't harm his cause.

I'm really looking forward to this, I'm not going to be staying up for it cuz I'm going round me mom n dads tomorrow night so I'll record it and watch it first thing when I wake up at about 5am

I will definitely be recording it, 5am is too early for me but am very much looking forward to avoiding all media and watching it "as live".

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I will definitely be recording it, 5am is too early for me but am very much looking forward to avoiding all media and watching it "as live".

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5am is my usual wake up time of a weekend, weekdays I normally lay in bed till about 6am

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Originally Posted by Batman

I was talking to a lad at work today about this fight, he knows his boxing, big fan he is

Now I don't know if this has been discussed in this thread already (I don't think it has) but we were trying to think of the last time someone unified, neither of us could think, we would throw a name out there and the other would shoot it down.

The winner of this fight will be the first person to unify and hold all four belts since Jermain Taylor beat Hopkins in 2005, I think that makes this fight that little bit more special.

Crawford has said that winning this fight should make him p4p#1, without getting into all that nonsense again the achievement certainly wouldn't harm his cause.

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Crawford (like Loma) makes good opponents look ordinary. Crawford is patient and will take his time to work out openings. I see him Picking Indongo apart in the later rounds. A Crawford, Garcia, Loma round robin is mouth watering.

Very curious for the ratings for this fight. The Loma fight did horrible ratings in ESPN terms, and seats were empty in a 3400 seat theatre.(not many but a 3400 seat place shouldn't have comps and still empty seats) And that was with advertising every commercial break.

But this fight I have not seen one commercial yet and the fight is fricken tomorrow. I hope it doesn't flop too.

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Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

Very curious for the ratings for this fight. The Loma fight did horrible ratings in ESPN terms, and seats were empty in a 3400 seat theatre.(not many but a 3400 seat place shouldn't have comps and still empty seats) And that was with advertising every commercial break.

But this fight I have not seen one commercial yet and the fight is fricken tomorrow. I hope it doesn't flop too.

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Bad thing is it is proceeded by The Little League world series live so almost guaranteed to miss at least very beginning of card and may have to go to ESPN 2. They seriously screwed up the Loma card with it bouncing between 3 different channels AND they didn't even bother running a ticker on screen to give fans a heads up. I'm almost surprised that as many fans saw it as was reported. Crawford is back in Nebraska where he does top turn out surprisingly enough.

didn't realize Indongo has the size he has and certainly doesn't seem fazed. I really wouldn't be shocked to see Crawford have to battle through some unforeseen adversity before it's over. Especially if he falls into clowning and dropping the hands he has grown fond of lately.