Terence Crawford vs. Julius Indongo ESPN

[Ron Swanson]

I supplied a lot of evidence, only fair to give you a chance to supply evidence in retort. Which good fighters did Marriaga beat?

Evidence? Opinion doesn't equate to evidence.

You need to start by supplying the rankings you're using. And even then it's not evidence of ANYTHING other than the opinion of the specific rankings compiler.

I supplied punch stats which you dismissed, the fact he floored him which you ignored, the fact that all the judges had it a wide decision and even the fans gave Marriaga 1 round. If all this is not evidence to you there is no such thing as evidence.

I'll tell you and show you which ratings I'm using when you tell which good opponents he's beaten

[Fenster]

I supplied a lot of evidence, only fair to give you a chance to supply evidence in retort. Which good fighters did Marriaga beat?

Evidence? Opinion doesn't equate to evidence.

You need to start by supplying the rankings you're using. And even then it's not evidence of ANYTHING other than the opinion of the specific rankings compiler.

I supplied punch stats which you dismissed, the fact he floored him which you ignored, the fact that all the judges had it a wide decision and even the fans gave Marriaga 1 round. If all this is not evidence to you there is no such thing as evidence.

I'll tell you and show you which ratings I'm using when you tell which good opponents he's beaten

Dismissed what? Since when have I disputed the Walters decision? Since when have I argued the quality of opposition Marriaga has beat?

All i've asked for is your "rankings" you keep referring too. If you want to keep them secret, fine, don't worry about it.

[Ron Swanson]

I supplied a lot of evidence, only fair to give you a chance to supply evidence in retort. Which good fighters did Marriaga beat?

Evidence? Opinion doesn't equate to evidence.

You need to start by supplying the rankings you're using. And even then it's not evidence of ANYTHING other than the opinion of the specific rankings compiler.

I supplied punch stats which you dismissed, the fact he floored him which you ignored, the fact that all the judges had it a wide decision and even the fans gave Marriaga 1 round. If all this is not evidence to you there is no such thing as evidence.

I'll tell you and show you which ratings I'm using when you tell which good opponents he's beaten

Dismissed what? Since when have I disputed the Walters decision? Since when have I argued the quality of opposition Marriaga has beat?

All i've asked for is your "rankings" you keep referring too. If you want to keep them secret, fine, don't worry about it.

You've said multiple times Marriaga is "proven world class" the usual qualification for being proven world class in boxing is by beating a world class fighter. So you now admit, by repeatedly not naming a world class fighter he has beaten, that he hasn't beaten a world class fighter yes?

how about this, you tell me who you think is his best win and I'll supply many different rankings?(not until morning though because it is 2:28 and I need to be up in 3 and a half hours, do a few hours of work and then you'll have the rankings)

[Fenster]

You've said multiple times Marriaga is "proven world class" the usual qualification for being proven world class in boxing is by beating a world class fighter. So you now admit, by repeatedly not naming a world class fighter he has beaten, that he hasn't beaten a world class fighter yes?

how about this, you tell me who you think is his best win and I'll supply many different rankings?(not until morning though because it is 2:28 and I need to be up in 3 and a half hours, do a few hours of work and then you'll have the rankings)

I never said Marriaga beat a "world-class" fighter, you've invented an argument in your head that hasn't got anything to do with what i've said.

No I wouldn't say the qualification for being "world-class" is necessarily determined by beating a world-class fighter, it depends on what you consider "world-class?" How does a fighter obtain a ranking with a governing body? It's certainly not determined by beating independently recognised world-class opposition. And all independent rankings use governing bodies as a guide to rating fighters.

There's many "world-class" fighters that are not champions purely because the division they operate in is so strong in depth. Or the era they fight in is so strong.

[Ron Swanson]

Okay. We've established you won't say who he has beaten that impressed. That's fine. I understand it because he hasn't beaten anyone of substance. We disagree on if the Walters loss should be included in propping him up. My point is it shouldn't because it was not competitive according to punch stats, scoring, or fans opinions. We can agree to disagree on that.

Where we differ most I suppose is I think Loma is special and because he is special he should fight other special fighters. Guys so good are rare, I don't want to see his talent wasted doing what normal fighters do.

[Fenster]

Okay. We've established you won't say who he has beaten that impressed. That's fine. I understand it because he hasn't beaten anyone of substance. We disagree on if the Walters loss should be included in propping him up. My point is it shouldn't because it was not competitive according to punch stats, scoring, or fans opinions. We can agree to disagree on that.

Where we differ most I suppose is I think Loma is special and because he is special he should fight other special fighters. Guys so good are rare, I don't want to see his talent wasted doing what normal fighters do.

No we agree on your last point too.

The only thing we disagree about is your use of bogus rankings. If you want to cite rankings to make a point then you need to provide a source/evidence so that they can be evaluated to ascertain whether or not they're worthy of consideration.

[Master]

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[Batman]

A solid performance from Loma as expected, he got a bit silly with all of the playing about though, yeah it was cracking when he was calling Marriaga into the corner inviting him to slug it out but then all the silly taps to the head were a bit much, it's alright being macho and getting into the opponents head but that was just a little childish and Loma was coming across as just being a little bored at that point.

He really is good though