Looking back at old controversial fights.... (Updated) Jones vs. Tarver I

Round 01- Taylor
Round 02- Taylor
Round 03- Taylor
Round 04- Taylor
Round 05- Hopkins
Round 06- Taylor
Round 07- Taylor
Round 08- Hopkins
Round 09- Hopkins
Round 10- Hopkins
Round 11- Hopkins
Round 12- Hopkins

114-114 Draw

How about Hatton - Collazo, that has been the most debated on here recently.

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Bernard sucker punched me in the streets of philly in 1984. I want my rematch. He knows who i am.

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You want a rematch? What happened, did he knock you out and you didn't get a chance to fight back or something?

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Bernard sucker punched me in the streets of philly in 1984. I want my rematch. He knows who i am.

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Easy there, killer.

Will unsticky this for the time being.
We got a couple rd. by rds. going....

bump sweetpea lets do another fight now bro

I'll get around to updating the first post with the list of all the cards we'e done. I know I haven't updated the last few fights. Been busy.

Here's our next fight. Not only a controversial decision by the judges, but just an overall great fight that everyone should watch again.

May 8, 2004. Manny Pacquiao (38-2-1, 30 KO) vs. Juan Manuel Marquez (42-2, 33 KO) for Marquez's WBA and IBF Featherweight Titles. This was Pacquiao's first fight after his dominating TKO victory over Marco Antonio Barrera. The judges at ringside scored the fight 115-110 Pacquiao, 115-110 Marquez, and 113-113, resulting in a split decision draw.

| 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | total
Pacquiao| 10 | 10 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 10 | 9 | 10 | 10 | 9 | 9 | 113
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Marquez | 6 | 9 | 10| 10| 10| 10 | 9 | 10 | 9 | 9 | 10 | 10 | 112

I have it 7 rounds to 5 for Marquez, but Pacquiao wins the decision because of the 3 clean knockdowns in Round 1.

Round 01- Pacquiao (10-6)
Round 02- Pacquiao
Round 03- Marquez
Round 04- Marquez
Round 05- Marquez
Round 06- Marquez
Round 07- Marquez
Round 08- Marquez
Round 09- Marquez
Round 10- Pacquiao
Round 11- Marquez
Round 12- Marquez

114-111 Marquez

Marquez pretty much figured out Pacquiao after the 2nd round. He had his timing down, And was countering effectively. Pac lost his rhythm and was at times reduced to lunging. He landed some big shots here and there. But Marquez was pretty much controlling the fight.

Ay Sweet Pea how about updating the first page.

Rounds with a question mark were very close to me

1. 10-6 Pac
2. 10-9 Pac
3. 10-9 JMM
4. 10-9 JMM ?
5. 10-9 JMM
6. 10-9 JMM
7. 10-9 Pac
8. 10-9 JMM ?
9. 10-9 JMM ?
10.10-9 Pac ?
11.10-9 JMM
12.10-9 Pac ?

Pac 5rds - JMM 7rds

113 - 112 Pacman

here are the compu box numbers for the fight and some notes
Pac-JMM
1. 13-11
2. 18-8 (pisses me off when JMM fans/Pac haters say JMM won 11 rounds in this fight and they include the 2nd round, Pac had more than twice as many punches landed and looked great again in this round only thing missing was a knockdown, you dont give a fighter a round for surviving an expected massacre)
3. 9-12
4. 12-12
5. 9-16
6. 5-16
7. 19-16
8. 8-11 (funny, this and the 1st round were the only rounds the judge that had JMM winning the fight gave to Pacman, but i had Pac losing in this round)
9. 15-16
10. 18-12
11. 13-15
12. 11-11

when it all comes down to it. officially Pacman should of won it but one of the judges didnt know how to score correctly, if they can take back incorrect math for the draw in Barrera vs. Juarez 1 why cant they take back human error in this fight. and to the JMM fans who think it is JMM who got robbed, all i can say is, there are thousands of fights where the judges saw it one way but the fans saw it the other, but i can only think of one fight when a judge said "oops i screwed up, can i fix it?" that would of changed the outcome of the fight.

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Rounds with a question mark were very close to me

1. 10-6 Pac
2. 10-9 Pac
3. 10-9 JMM
4. 10-9 JMM ?
5. 10-9 JMM
6. 10-9 JMM
7. 10-9 Pac
8. 10-9 JMM ?
9. 10-9 JMM ?
10.10-9 Pac ?
11.10-9 JMM
12.10-9 Pac ?

Pac 5rds - JMM 7rds

113 - 112 Pacman

here are the compu box numbers for the fight and some notes
Pac-JMM
1. 13-11
2. 18-8 (pisses me off when JMM fans/Pac haters say JMM won 11 rounds in this fight and they include the 2nd round, Pac had more than twice as many punches landed and looked great again in this round only thing missing was a knockdown, you dont give a fighter a round for surviving an expected massacre)
3. 9-12
4. 12-12
5. 9-16
6. 5-16
7. 19-16
8. 8-11 (funny, this and the 1st round were the only rounds the judge that had JMM winning the fight gave to Pacman, but i had Pac losing in this round)
9. 15-16
10. 18-12
11. 13-15
12. 11-11

when it all comes down to it. officially Pacman should of won it but one of the judges didnt know how to score correctly, if they can take back incorrect math for the draw in Barrera vs. Juarez 1 why cant they take back human error in this fight. and to the JMM fans who think it is JMM who got robbed, all i can say is, there are thousands of fights where the judges saw it one way but the fans saw it the other, but i can only think of one fight when a judge said "oops i screwed up, can i fix it?" that would of changed the outcome of the fight.

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Saw the fight again. Both fighters were pretty banged up. But I have to agree that it should not have been a technical draw. A lot of JMM backers crow that Manny was schooled in this fight but in my opinion, what was amazing was how JMM crawled back from what should have been a loss to earn a controversial draw. I don't think JMM won the fight. IMO Pacman should have won convincingly but did not. Over confidence after the knockdowns perhaps? I saw Manny trying to knock out Marquez instead of trying to win the fight. It was not defeat that I saw in Manny's eyes at the end of the fight but more of frustration. Remember, this fight was before his so called boxing improvements became evident. I think Pacman learned a lot from this fight as with the first fight with EM.

I can almost see a different outcome if they fight again. Manny knows he can hurt Marquez. Marquez will again rely on his counter punching skills thinking that Manny will not have an answer for this (what else does he have in his arsenal - power? Manny can take his best punches). Freddie Roach knows this and will probably come up with a strategy to over power marquez and neutralize his counter punching abilities. The danger with Manny is that you don't know what to expect anymore. He continuous to evolve. Very unpredictable. This to me will be the fight to define Manny's pursuit of being acknowleged as the best of the best. Defeating a master counter puncher will be a large feather in Manny's hat.

one thing is for sure, Marquez aint been the same since that fight.

| 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | total
Pacquiao| 10 | 10 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 10 | 9 | 9 | 111
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Marquez | 6 | 9 | 10| 10| 10| 10 | 10| 10|10 | 9 | 10 | 10| 114

Iremeber the fight as Marquez schooling Pac after the 1st but on rewatching it I think Pac came back into it abit in the 10th cuz Marquez got lazy .

In the 1st round JMM was caught cold . The 1st two knockdowns werent too bad but after the third he straightened his body and lay back down. It looked like he accpeted defeat. Pac looked good in the second too but after that he was running out of ideas. Marquez sweeped the next 7 rounds on my card , just plain outboxing his 1 dimensionla opponent . Got lazy in the 10th but closed the show with two big rounds . 3 rounds doesnt sound like a convincing win but in my eyes he was a clear winner . Cant believe 1 judge gave it to Pac . I thought there would be uproar but Marquez can blame himself for not following up when he hurt Pac with right hands .

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 TOTAL
Pacquiao 10 10 9 9 9 9 9 9 10 10 9 10 113
Marquez 6 9 10 10 10 10 10 10 9 9 10 9 112

Round 1 - Pacquaio knockdowns JMM 3 times.
Round 2 - Pacquaio gets this one, JMM still shocked from the 3 knockdowns but have shown signs of recovery.
Rounds 3-6 - Marquez nice counterpunching. Pacquiao was out of his game.
Round 7 - A close one. Pacquaio have some good hits. But still Marquez controls this round.
Round 8 - Another close one. Still Marquez's round.
Round 9 - A close round, Pacquiao take's this one.
Round 10 - A clear round for Pacquiao. Landed some jab-straight combinations which he couldn't all night since Rounds 1 and 2.
Round 11 - A close round for Marquez.
Round 12 - A close round for Pacquiao.

* Rounds 7, 8, 9, 11 and 12 are close rounds for me. Over-all, an impressive comeback by Marquez. I understand why his fans are clamoring for victory. But a 10-6 round 1 is a huge defecit early in the game. If not for it, it was a lopsided decision for Marquez.

I hope they could fight again and see who truly wins this time.

havent got this fight cant find it to download or find any footage on youtube so cant do scorecard for this one

id like to bump this to see if anyone can get full fight because havent got it thanks

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| 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | total
Pacquiao| 10 | 10 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 10 | 9 | 9 | 111
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Marquez | 6 | 9 | 10| 10| 10| 10 | 10 | 10|10 | 9 | 10 | 10 | 114

Iremeber the fight as Marquez schooling Pac after the 1st but on rewatching it I think Pac came back into it abit in the 10th cuz Marquez got lazy .

In the 1st round JMM was caught cold . The 1st two knockdowns werent too bad but after the third he straightened his body and lay back down. It looked like he accpeted defeat. Pac looked good in the second too but after that he was running out of ideas. Marquez sweeped the next 7 rounds on my card , just plain outboxing his 1 dimensionla opponent . Got lazy in the 10th but closed the show with two big rounds . 3 rounds doesnt sound like a convincing win but in my eyes he was a clear winner . Cant believe 1 judge gave it to Pac . I thought there would be uproar but Marquez can blame himself for not following up when he hurt Pac with right hands .

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You gave the second round to Marquez ???

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| 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | total
Pacquiao| 10 | 10 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 10 | 9 | 9 | 111
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Marquez | 6 | 9 | 10| 10| 10| 10 | 10 | 10|10 | 9 | 10 | 10 | 114

Iremeber the fight as Marquez schooling Pac after the 1st but on rewatching it I think Pac came back into it abit in the 10th cuz Marquez got lazy .

In the 1st round JMM was caught cold . The 1st two knockdowns werent too bad but after the third he straightened his body and lay back down. It looked like he accpeted defeat. Pac looked good in the second too but after that he was running out of ideas. Marquez sweeped the next 7 rounds on my card , just plain outboxing his 1 dimensionla opponent . Got lazy in the 10th but closed the show with two big rounds . 3 rounds doesnt sound like a convincing win but in my eyes he was a clear winner . Cant believe 1 judge gave it to Pac . I thought there would be uproar but Marquez can blame himself for not following up when he hurt Pac with right hands .

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You gave the second round to Marquez ???

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no ???

JMM: 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 12 = 113
PAC: *1, 2, 10, 11 = 112

*Rd. 10-6 rd. for PAC on the 3 knockdowns.

I'll be posting a new fight later today.

But while I'm here, does anyone have any links to Tarver-Jones I?
I've been wanting to score that fight here for a while, but I can't find it anywhere.
I've checked youtube, submitted a request here for it... nothing.
If anyone can find the fight somewhere, let me know.

Roy won that fight the way I saw it. All Tarver did was try the last 30 seconds with flurries and then celebrate and stuff at the end of the last round(a round he lost by the way)

what about tommy hearns vs james kinchen or hearns vs barkley 2?

....also can you upload fights on this site?cause i have heaps of old fights on dvd but dont know if you can upload,cause that way everyone can watch the fight and score it right here on saddoboxing?

Sorry the fights haven't been updated as often, been busy. But now I've got 3 or 4 fights scored and ready to go, so there'll be one every few days again now.

December 4, 1999. Fernando Vargas (17-0, 17 KO) vs. Ronald "Winky" Wright (39-2, 24 KO) for Vargas' IBF Light Middleweight Title.
Vargas won by Majority Decision, by scores of 116-112, 115-113, 114-114.

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Vargas | 10 | 9 | 9 | 10 | 9 | 9 | 10 | 9 | 9 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 114
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Wright | 9 | 10 | 10| 9 | 10| 10 | 9 | 10 | 10 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 114

I thought Wright outboxed Vargas through the first 9 rounds, and I had him up 3 points heading to the 10th. However, Wright let Vargas completely outwork and outhustle him over the final three, and that allowed Vargas to salvage a draw on my scorecard. This was a good example of the heart of Vargas, who dug himself out of a hole in the late rounds against an older and more experienced fighter.

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Sorry the fights haven't been updated as often, been busy. But now I've got 3 or 4 fights scored and ready to go, so there'll be one every few days again now.

December 4, 1999. Fernando Vargas (17-0, 17 KO) vs. Ronald "Winky" Wright (39-2, 24 KO) for Vargas' IBF Light Middleweight Title.
Vargas won by Majority Decision, by scores of 116-112, 115-113, 114-114.

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Vargas | 10 | 9 | 9 | 10 | 9 | 9 | 10 | 9 | 9 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 114
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Wright | 9 | 10 | 10| 9 | 10| 10 | 9 | 10 | 10 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 114

I thought Wright outboxed Vargas through the first 9 rounds, and I had him up 3 points heading to the 10th. However, Wright let Vargas completely outwork and outhustle him over the final three, and that allowed Vargas to salvage a draw on my scorecard. This was a good example of the heart of Vargas, who dug himself out of a hole in the late rounds against an older and more experienced fighter.

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cant find this fight >:mad

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Sorry the fights haven't been updated as often, been busy. But now I've got 3 or 4 fights scored and ready to go, so there'll be one every few days again now.

December 4, 1999. Fernando Vargas (17-0, 17 KO) vs. Ronald "Winky" Wright (39-2, 24 KO) for Vargas' IBF Light Middleweight Title.
Vargas won by Majority Decision, by scores of 116-112, 115-113, 114-114.

| 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | total
Vargas | 10 | 9 | 9 | 10 | 9 | 9 | 10 | 9 | 9 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 114
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Wright | 9 | 10 | 10| 9 | 10| 10 | 9 | 10 | 10 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 114

I thought Wright outboxed Vargas through the first 9 rounds, and I had him up 3 points heading to the 10th. However, Wright let Vargas completely outwork and outhustle him over the final three, and that allowed Vargas to salvage a draw on my scorecard. This was a good example of the heart of Vargas, who dug himself out of a hole in the late rounds against an older and more experienced fighter.

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Also had it a draw. My card mirrors yours, but I gave Vargas round 3 and Winky round 11.

I can't see how anybody would score it anything other than for Winky?

Can't remember my exact round scores, but gave it to Wright by about 4 rounds

If no one can find this one, then we just can just move on to another one....
Let me know.

Where did you get yours?

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Where did you get yours?

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here

just run a search

Sorry people...I came in late...but I have this fight.

Not sure what the question exactly was...thought it was a scoring issue.

Anywho...sorry for butting in with half assed info...but here's me take.

The scores were bullshit & HBO was pushing to market Vargas (Vegas White Tiger & all) & not Wright...totally the wrong decision.

I hate this fight because Wright did win the match...fan of his or not...right is right & wrong is wrong.

Total Punch Stats
Wright : 34%
Vargas : 35%

Power punches
Vargas: 39%
Wright: 37%

The judges had it at 116-112, 115-113, & then 114-114...which I could have lived with.


Total bullshit...sorry...but it was. I'm a huge supporter of compu-box...but anyone that saw the match can say that Vargas was outmatched & Wright was on point. Should have been a draw at the least. Sorry but Wright won the match. Merchant was all over Vargas's jock from start to finish.

Wright was not an HBO fighter at the time & Vargas was being groomed. This is very similar to the Taylor Syndrome.

Sorry peeps...I'm being unbiased whether or not you want to think so...Wright won.

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Sorry people...I came in late...but I have this fight.

Not sure what the question exactly was...thought it was a scoring issue.

Anywho...sorry for butting in with half assed info...but here's me take.

The scores were bullshit & HBO was pushing to market Vargas (Vegas White Tiger & all) & not Wright...totally the wrong decision.

I hate this fight because Wright did win the match...fan of his or not...right is right & wrong is wrong.

Total Punch Stats
Wright : 34%
Vargas : 35%

Power punches
Vargas: 39%
Wright: 37%

The judges had it at 116-112, 115-113, & then 114-114...which I could have lived with.


Total bullshit...sorry...but it was. I'm a huge supporter of compu-box...but anyone that saw the match can say that Vargas was outmatched & Wright was on point. Should have been a draw at the least. Sorry but Wright won the match. Merchant was all over Vargas's jock from start to finish.

Wright was not an HBO fighter at the time & Vargas was being groomed. This is very similar to the Taylor Syndrome.

Sorry peeps...I'm being unbiased whether or not you want to think so...Wright won.

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Total Punch Stats
Wright : 34%
Vargas : 35%

Power punches
Vargas: 39%
Wright: 37%

wacko im sorry if i missed something but that shows vargas landed higher percentage so how does that prove wright won ?? sorry if i missed something just never seen fight

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Total Punch Stats
Wright : 34%
Vargas : 35%

Power punches
Vargas: 39%
Wright: 37%

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No offense Wacko, but if you're going to use compubox numbers as part of your argument, don't you think it's disingenuous to leave out the stats that clearly favor Vargas?
If you posted the full compubox stats, they would show that Vargas threw and landed a signifcantly higher amount of punches than Wright.

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

Sorry people...I came in late...but I have this fight.

Not sure what the question exactly was...thought it was a scoring issue.

Anywho...sorry for butting in with half assed info...but here's me take.

The scores were bullshit & HBO was pushing to market Vargas (Vegas White Tiger & all) & not Wright...totally the wrong decision.

I hate this fight because Wright did win the match...fan of his or not...right is right & wrong is wrong.

Total Punch Stats
Wright : 34%
Vargas : 35%

Power punches
Vargas: 39%
Wright: 37%

The judges had it at 116-112, 115-113, & then 114-114...which I could have lived with.


Total bullshit...sorry...but it was. I'm a huge supporter of compu-box...but anyone that saw the match can say that Vargas was outmatched & Wright was on point. Should have been a draw at the least. Sorry but Wright won the match. Merchant was all over Vargas's jock from start to finish.

Wright was not an HBO fighter at the time & Vargas was being groomed. This is very similar to the Taylor Syndrome.

Sorry peeps...I'm being unbiased whether or not you want to think so...Wright won.

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Total Punch Stats
Wright : 34%
Vargas : 35%

Power punches
Vargas: 39%
Wright: 37%

wacko im sorry if i missed something but that shows vargas landed higher percentage so how does that prove wright won ?? sorry if i missed something just never seen fight

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ICB...I know that you watch boxing...I know that you have seen shitty decisions before...I know you know what effective aggression is.

Wright put a hurtin on Vargas. It was a fight. It was a shitty shitty decision. If you read the stats...then I know you saw the scores too.

One judge pulled it at a draw. That's how close the fight was...not sure if you saw the fight or not. This thread is about contro fights...trust me...this one was controversial to the end.

They brought Vargas in with the famous "ferocious" aurra going on & alongside the famous Vegas White Tiger...Vargas was lauded as the next Oscar...he had the fight won before he climbed through the ropes.

Watch the fight & you can see how close it was...& why it is controversial.

Also...I aint trying to be as catty as that sounded...Wacko's on some serious pain killers for the back pains right now...I apologize...but until you sit down & see it for yourself...that's that.

It's opinion...but Wright won.

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Total Punch Stats
Wright : 34%
Vargas : 35%

Power punches
Vargas: 39%
Wright: 37%

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No offense Wacko, but if you're going to use compubox numbers as part of your argument, don't you think it's disingenuous to leave out the stats that clearly favor Vargas?
If you posted the full compubox stats, they would show that Vargas threw and landed a signifcantly higher amount of punches than Wright.

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Sorry babe...thought that was enough to show that it favored Vargas. I'll be sure to be more on point next time with my posts...but the record & my post shows that Vargas was the lead on stats... ??? ::**

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Sorry people...I came in late...but I have this fight.

Not sure what the question exactly was...thought it was a scoring issue.

Anywho...sorry for butting in with half assed info...but here's me take.

The scores were bullshit & HBO was pushing to market Vargas (Vegas White Tiger & all) & not Wright...totally the wrong decision.

I hate this fight because Wright did win the match...fan of his or not...right is right & wrong is wrong.

Total Punch Stats
Wright : 34%
Vargas : 35%

Power punches
Vargas: 39%
Wright: 37%

The judges had it at 116-112, 115-113, & then 114-114...which I could have lived with.


Total bullshit...sorry...but it was. I'm a huge supporter of compu-box...but anyone that saw the match can say that Vargas was outmatched & Wright was on point. Should have been a draw at the least. Sorry but Wright won the match. Merchant was all over Vargas's jock from start to finish.

Wright was not an HBO fighter at the time & Vargas was being groomed. This is very similar to the Taylor Syndrome.

Sorry peeps...I'm being unbiased whether or not you want to think so...Wright won.

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Total Punch Stats
Wright : 34%
Vargas : 35%

Power punches
Vargas: 39%
Wright: 37%

wacko im sorry if i missed something but that shows vargas landed higher percentage so how does that prove wright won ?? sorry if i missed something just never seen fight

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ICB...I know that you watch boxing...I know that you have seen shitty decisions before...I know you know what effective aggression is.

Wright put a hurtin on Vargas. It was a fight. It was a shitty shitty decision. If you read the stats...then I know you saw the scores too.

One judge pulled it at a draw. That's how close the fight was...not sure if you saw the fight or not. This thread is about contro fights...trust me...this one was controversial to the end.

They brought Vargas in with the famous "ferocious" aurra going on & alongside the famous Vegas White Tiger...Vargas was lauded as the next Oscar...he had the fight won before he climbed through the ropes.

Watch the fight & you can see how close it was...& why it is controversial.

Also...I aint trying to be as catty as that sounded...Wacko's on some serious pain killers for the back pains right now...I apologize...but until you sit down & see it for yourself...that's that.

It's opinion...but Wright won.

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good statement gotta give you cc secondly never seen it cant find active download link no footage on youtube sucks bro :-\

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

Sorry people...I came in late...but I have this fight.

Not sure what the question exactly was...thought it was a scoring issue.

Anywho...sorry for butting in with half assed info...but here's me take.

The scores were bullshit & HBO was pushing to market Vargas (Vegas White Tiger & all) & not Wright...totally the wrong decision.

I hate this fight because Wright did win the match...fan of his or not...right is right & wrong is wrong.

Total Punch Stats
Wright : 34%
Vargas : 35%

Power punches
Vargas: 39%
Wright: 37%

The judges had it at 116-112, 115-113, & then 114-114...which I could have lived with.


Total bullshit...sorry...but it was. I'm a huge supporter of compu-box...but anyone that saw the match can say that Vargas was outmatched & Wright was on point. Should have been a draw at the least. Sorry but Wright won the match. Merchant was all over Vargas's jock from start to finish.

Wright was not an HBO fighter at the time & Vargas was being groomed. This is very similar to the Taylor Syndrome.

Sorry peeps...I'm being unbiased whether or not you want to think so...Wright won.

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Total Punch Stats
Wright : 34%
Vargas : 35%

Power punches
Vargas: 39%
Wright: 37%

wacko im sorry if i missed something but that shows vargas landed higher percentage so how does that prove wright won ?? sorry if i missed something just never seen fight

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ICB...I know that you watch boxing...I know that you have seen shitty decisions before...I know you know what effective aggression is.

Wright put a hurtin on Vargas. It was a fight. It was a shitty shitty decision. If you read the stats...then I know you saw the scores too.

One judge pulled it at a draw. That's how close the fight was...not sure if you saw the fight or not. This thread is about contro fights...trust me...this one was controversial to the end.

They brought Vargas in with the famous "ferocious" aurra going on & alongside the famous Vegas White Tiger...Vargas was lauded as the next Oscar...he had the fight won before he climbed through the ropes.

Watch the fight & you can see how close it was...& why it is controversial.

Also...I aint trying to be as catty as that sounded...Wacko's on some serious pain killers for the back pains right now...I apologize...but until you sit down & see it for yourself...that's that.

It's opinion...but Wright won.

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good statement gotta give you cc secondly never seen it cant find active download link no footage on youtube sucks bro :-\

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Like I said...I wasn't being a dick or catty or whatever...but that fight holds a severe sore spot for me.

I think Wright won it & at the least should have drawn. He man handled Vargas for the majority of the fight & Vargas one maybe two or three rounds convincingly IWO.

You just have to see the fight. It's all opinion...but the stats don't add up for me when you see the performance.

:coolclick: to ya.

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

good statement gotta give you cc secondly never seen it cant find active download link no footage on youtube sucks bro :-\

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I sent you a PM with the link a few days ago. It should have worked fine, it was the one I used.

Round 01- Vargas
Round 02- Wright
Round 03- Wright
Round 04- Vargas
Round 05- Vargas
Round 06- Wright
Round 07- Vargas
Round 08- Wright
Round 09- Wright
Round 10- Vargas
Round 11- Vargas
Round 12- Vargas

115-113 Vargas

I think the fact that Wright fought a lot better than people taught he would, made people think he actually won the fight. I have no idea why Wright toned it down in the championship rounds. He allowed a tired Vargas to out-work him. Nobodies fault but his own.

Wright pissed it.

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Originally Posted by Scrap

Wright pissed it.

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Score it.

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Originally Posted by SweetPea

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

good statement gotta give you cc secondly never seen it cant find active download link no footage on youtube sucks bro :-\

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I sent you a PM with the link a few days ago. It should have worked fine, it was the one I used.

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Chuck us that link, im dying to score this one myself. And the Harry Simon fight :P

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

I have no idea why Wright toned it down in the championship rounds. He allowed a tired Vargas to out-work him. Nobodies fault but his own.

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Wright has done that a couple of times (Taylor was one) and had it bite him in the a$$.