Why didn't Pacquiao do this earlier ? he seemed to have too much respect for Mosley, i like to see sportsmanship but there's too much touching gloves, just get on with the fight.
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Why didn't Pacquiao do this earlier ? he seemed to have too much respect for Mosley, i like to see sportsmanship but there's too much touching gloves, just get on with the fight.
Maybe we are? I mean shit when was the last time Manny has not been exciting? Hell when was the last time he looked "Just good"?.....I did notice they were awful friendly during this fight....Maybe Manny just can not bring himself to batter Shane...Mosley is a hard guy to dislike ha ha...I have no answer...No matter what it is a dominate performance for certain....If all we can complain about is the fact he did not knockout an ATG who has never even come close to being stopped what does that say about fans?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Sorry Daxx...he needs to take his head and hoist it up. Elite....p4p....multi million dollar gate and Mayweather twitering his ass off. You can make a statement and batter Shane or just draw back & live to fight another day, that is not the Manny we have come to love. Maybe we're spoiled I dunnoQuote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
Only time will tellQuote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missyyou tell me - start of rd 11Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnYeah you can see his output picking up for sure!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missyit's the whirlwind approach that got him where he is and what dropped ssm - he's not a cute boxer.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnI just think he is going in more rounded and not just doing the regular non stop punching we are used to seeing...I really think he is giving Mosley too much respect at this point....Manny fights Freddie tells him how and Manny carries it out like General in BattleQuote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
he is upping the pace in bursts now if he maintained it he would have got him out.
You don't think though over the last few bouts Manny is becoming more complete as a fighter? He uses more angles, paces himself more, better defense etc...He knows that he is aging and can't keep the super speed mode forever especially if he keeps fighting bigger men
I'm convinced Floyd beats Manny. No question in my mind. Not that I questioned it ever. Can't wait to hear Bob and Pac's excuses and blame on Shane. I thought Shane was prime? LOL
poor fight, pac man fought at Shanes pace.
Mosley was in survival mode from round 4 on, lame with the overkill on the sportsmanship. I can respect Mosley as a nice guy, but he made no effort to win that fight.
I don't think it's that Daxx. Whenever Pac upped the pace Shane struggled, if he maintained that pace earlier and for a couple of rounds rather than 1 round and then off or for bursts in a few of the rounds he would have stopped him.
That looked more like a sparring match than a title fight. I like sportsmanship just fine, but come on! Throw a punch like you mean it!
What I enjoy most about big fights like these is the attention from Mainstream media (ESPN and other news organizations) and people actually asking be about the fight. Feels like it is a sport that is still prominent.
What we need more of is for one of these truly big fights to be epic Vasquez/Marquez to get the non-fan public really hooked.
120?
Mosley was on the backfoot constantly against Pacquiao, not taking any risks. It's hard to look good against a good veteran fighter, who's just looking to survive.Quote:
Originally Posted by mafiajoey
It was the same in the rematch with MAB, it's hard too look good against a fighter who's not willing to commit.
And in all honesty Shane Mosley was lucky to win 1 round.
Horrible performance by Shane, I hate to say it, but he couldnt pull the trigger just like everyone had been saying about him. Was in survival mode, the only thing he could land was touching Mannys glove after a headbutt. Boring fight. Pac seemed like he could have done more as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
Dont worry Pac wont be so nice to Floyd if they ever fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
That was a horrible fight and told us nothing and yes I will be critical. I was supporting Mosley, but criticised this fight time and time again and it has only confirmed to all of us why there was no need for this fight to be signed in the first place.
Mosley used the Barrera 2 model and threw about 7 right hands all night. He circled effectively, but showed that he cannot throw more than a 2 punch combo without running in and holding. Manny Pac merely did what he had to do, he showed us nothing new.
What this has also showed is that Manny Pac is nothing more than an opportunist when it comes to matchmaking. A cheater followed by a former great who hasn't won in a number of years.
I am sure I am not alone in feeling this way. Few of us believed that this fight should have been made and the boos in the crowd confirmed why.
It was a very poor fight.
Boring fight..
Seemed like just another pay day.
Pacquiao by a dominant UD, pretty predictable, so much for Manny stopping Shane. they looked like they were too good of friends to hurt each other, boring fucking fight.
That "sportsmanship" was pathetic. It was basically Mosley begging Pacquiao not to hurt him.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
I thought MAB done better than Mosley though, i had him winning 3 rounds if i remember rightly.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
But yea poor effort from Mosley, he actually touched Pacquiao's gloves more than he hit him LOL.
it's about hitting and trying not to get hit yourself not a street brawl which is why so many people seem to like pac because he often makes it his fight - a brawl.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBMosley was on the backfoot constantly against Pacquiao, not taking any risks. It's hard to look good against a good veteran fighter, who's just looking to survive.Quote:
Originally Posted by mafiajoey
It was the same in the rematch with MAB, it's hard too look good against a fighter who's not willing to commit.
And in all honesty Shane Mosley was lucky to win 1 round.
For Godssake, just say you want to fight Mayweather. PLease.
I also think Pac was genuinely worried that Mosley might still have handspeed and the timing to counter him with power. I'm not so sure that was ever there though after seeing that. Margarito landed far more on Pac than Shane did. It really did seem like Barrera/Pac 2. Some close rounds, but no serious attempt to show anything more than an ability to see through the 12.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
I agree on the part if he went after him sooner with more intention he would have gotten him out of there...He keeps stressing his leg so not sure what that is about...
Mosley did have success with the armpit up push in the clinch, he should have done that more.
I gaven't read the thread and don't know what you guys thought but here's what I saw:
1. An overmatched Shane realized he was over matched.
2. Shane stopped being able to let his hands go 18 months ago
3. Manny's worst performance since before the Diaz fight. Lousy balance, on one foot way to often, wild right hand, fighting in a straight line. It was the old Manny.
4. Manny's will and desire remain undiminished and startling
My big question is the following. Did Manny overtrain (a risk in older fighters) or has Father Time really begun to make an impact on him?
What is the proper scoring for round 10, during which Mosely scored a KD but Pac won the round?
Winner normally gets 10 so 10-9 Pac, but the KD makes it 9-9?
I think this is who Kelly is. He's a strong guy without a clue trained by a guy without a clue.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesQuite awful except for a lively final round. He looked hesitant, slow and lacking in ideas. It was far closer than it should have been. He needs to stay busy and find some output again.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
I think he overtrained and got tight. I THINK that's what he was talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnQuote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
I agree on the part if he went after him sooner with more intention he would have gotten him out of there...He keeps stressing his leg so not sure what that is about...
Barrera did. Unless you are Margarito it seems that Pac has that mental edge from the go at these weights. Nobody outside of Marquez is willing to box him smartly with conviction.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBI thought MAB done better than Mosley though, i had him winning 3 rounds if i remember rightly.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
But yea poor effort from Mosley, he actually touched Pacquiao's gloves more than he hit him LOL.
On the way up people thought they could trade with him, now it's gone the other way and it's a case of not being willing to throw your own punches whatsoever. Well, not quite true Margarito gave it a fair shot, he just didn't have the skills.
I appreciate good defensive boxing Missy, one of my favourite fighters is Pernell Whitaker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missyit's about hitting and trying not to get hit yourself not a street brawl which is why so many people seem to like pac because he often makes it his fight - a brawl.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBMosley was on the backfoot constantly against Pacquiao, not taking any risks. It's hard to look good against a good veteran fighter, who's just looking to survive.Quote:
Originally Posted by mafiajoey
It was the same in the rematch with MAB, it's hard too look good against a fighter who's not willing to commit.
And in all honesty Shane Mosley was lucky to win 1 round.
But Mosley didn't even try and win, and as other's have said where was the fire ? he kept touching Pacquiao's gloves basically saying lets slow down a minute WTF.
This is supposed to be a championship fight, the old time greats like Archie Moore, Ezzard Charles, certainly wouldn't of laid down like that whether they won or lost they would give it 100 percent.
No. Winner of the round MUST get ten points. So if you thought Manny won the round and then you give Shane an extra point it is 10-10.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manju
The only time the winner of a round can get less than ten points is a deduction for a foul.
4 things - the judge ignored the ref! can't do thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Manju
or he thought manny would have won that round 7-10 so with the knockdown scored it 7-9 unlikely OR he scored the 10-8 round that shane went down 10-7
or he was sleeping through most of the fight and just scored it for manny anyway.
clear? good ;D
The best fight of the night was Arce-Vazquez, i'm happy that the tough little mexican was able to win a 3rd title.
Pac-Shane was a stinker, I hope Bob Arum gives us a better opponent for Pacquiao next time, this fight sucked.
There's no one else really unless Pacquiao has a catchweight vs some of the Jr Middleweights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax
That was an amazing display by Arce. The guy has guts on tap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax
not seen much of shanes early career but was he ever a blood and guts fighter?Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBI appreciate good defensive boxing Missy, one of my favourite fighters is Pernell Whitaker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missyit's about hitting and trying not to get hit yourself not a street brawl which is why so many people seem to like pac because he often makes it his fight - a brawl.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBMosley was on the backfoot constantly against Pacquiao, not taking any risks. It's hard to look good against a good veteran fighter, who's just looking to survive.Quote:
Originally Posted by mafiajoey
It was the same in the rematch with MAB, it's hard too look good against a fighter who's not willing to commit.
And in all honesty Shane Mosley was lucky to win 1 round.
But Mosley didn't even try and win, and as other's have said where was the fire ? he kept touching Pacquiao's gloves basically saying lets slow down a minute WTF.
This is supposed to be a championship fight, the old time greats like Archie Moore, Ezzard Charles, certainly wouldn't of laid down like that whether they won or lost they would give it 100 percent.
It's a big if but he could have been looking to survive or hoping to land a perfect right. Whatever the case shane did better than people thought and manny did worse than people thought.
Pure garbage.. One thing for sure. PAC isint sharp as he was and Mayweather would clean him up.. Pac's last few fights against faded handpicked opponents have shown a decline with him IMO. Arum and Roach have done a great job of mitigating Pac's risk
I gave Shane too much credit, maybe because I didnt watch the Mora fight, but this was as bad if not worse than his Mayweather outing, just cant pull that trigger. Hate to say it but you can put a fork in him, he's done. I think this kind of helped Pac's case as far as who would win between him and Mayweather. Mayweather never really hurt Shane as bad as Pac did, and got out boxed just as bad. If Pac gets Floyd in trouble like Shane did, I have no doubt he would finish the job off.
how about Khan? He keeps bleating about how he can hang with Pac in sparring:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax
Or is willing to come down to 140. It's not as though he is boiling down to 147.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBThere's no one else really unless Pacquiao has a catchweight vs some of the Jr Middleweights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax
Marquez in the fall at 140. Only at 140 though, Marquez would be coming up in weight already.
I think Pac is the new tyson. Everyone has a game plan but when they get in the ring every bit of confidence just seems to drain out. JMM was the exception coz the man is fearless, he comes to fight no matter what. Where as guys like dela hoya and mosley dont seem to be able to fight from adversity, they are either winning or not.