Manny Pacquiao vs. Juan Manuel Marquez IV - Saturday night fight/chat thread

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Originally Posted by bcollins

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

If Mayweather could have stopped Marquez I am sure he would have done so. He didn't make weight for the fight and was in with a man who had no experience beyond LW.

Mayweather beat Marquez by a landslide, but it was a dodgy fight in terms of Marquez not being a WW and Mayweather not meeting his side of the deal.

The Marquez who fought Manny a year ago would have done far better against Mayweather and definitely so against this older Mayweather. Mayweather has lost his legs now. Marquez bulked up properly and acclimatised to the weight. In other words Marquez had learned from the Mayweather fight and done his homework better.

The argument I have here is simply that I don't consider Mayweather the best active fighter in the world as he is a part time boxer. I have no issues with the Marquez/Mayweather fight result, but do believe Marquez is far better than the result suggests and I proffer the reasons of acclimatisation and cheating as partial explanations.

That fight is what it is though. Prior to this Manny was the best fighter in the world and he has been destroyed.

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I think a Mayweather/Marquez fight would be a much more competitive affair at this point. I'd pay to see it ;D

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You won't let Marquez have his retirement will you? ;D

Anyway folks, that's me done for the day too. A lot of posting, a lot of nerves, and just a brilliant result in the end. Full props to Marquez, but also commiserations too to Manny Pacquaio. He has been on the recieving end of my verbal sword for many years now and though delighted to see Marquez stop him, it was a very brutal stoppage. What goes around comes around, and it just is what it is. Pac had seemed like a rock in recent years, but he is just human after all. He is a proud man and won't have taken the stoppage well at all. I hope he will be okay.

Still, this is the moment for Marquez and I hope he enjoys it to the max. Over and out.

I'm a filipino, pac fan but i'm a marquez fan as well. A boxing fan above everything else. It's very heart breaking to see the nation's boxing hero destroyed like that. I've got to give it to marquez, that's a mean right straight and he was really setting up for it. Ever since the 3rd fight, it was apparent that marquez had pac's number. Marquez trained really hard and really is the more technical guy. The more rounds these guys fought, the bigger chance marquez has of beating pac. Pac was only winning in the first fights because of sheer skill, not boxing prowess. Congrats to marquez and props to pac for losing humbly. Time to retire these two legends and thanks for the great fights.

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

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Originally Posted by bcollins

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

If Mayweather could have stopped Marquez I am sure he would have done so. He didn't make weight for the fight and was in with a man who had no experience beyond LW.

Mayweather beat Marquez by a landslide, but it was a dodgy fight in terms of Marquez not being a WW and Mayweather not meeting his side of the deal.

The Marquez who fought Manny a year ago would have done far better against Mayweather and definitely so against this older Mayweather. Mayweather has lost his legs now. Marquez bulked up properly and acclimatised to the weight. In other words Marquez had learned from the Mayweather fight and done his homework better.

The argument I have here is simply that I don't consider Mayweather the best active fighter in the world as he is a part time boxer. I have no issues with the Marquez/Mayweather fight result, but do believe Marquez is far better than the result suggests and I proffer the reasons of acclimatisation and cheating as partial explanations.

That fight is what it is though. Prior to this Manny was the best fighter in the world and he has been destroyed.

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I think a Mayweather/Marquez fight would be a much more competitive affair at this point. I'd pay to see it ;D

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You won't let Marquez have his retirement will you? ;D

Anyway folks, that's me done for the day too. A lot of posting, a lot of nerves, and just a brilliant result in the end. Full props to Marquez, but also commiserations too to Manny Pacquaio. He has been on the recieving end of my verbal sword for many years now and though delighted to see Marquez stop him, it was a very brutal stoppage. What goes around comes around, and it just is what it is. Pac had seemed like a rock in recent years, but he is just human after all. He is a proud man and won't have taken the stoppage well at all. I hope he will be okay.

Still, this is the moment for Marquez and I hope he enjoys it to the max. Over and out.

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Hehe - I just hate to see a fighter of his caliber ride off into the sunset. He is truly one of the best technicians I have ever seen, and it doesn't seem like he got the respect he deserves throughout most of his career. If he wants to call it a day, I'll be the first one to offer congratulations and say that he is a first ballot HOF'er without any doubt whatsoever. But then again, if he wants to do it one more time, I think he still has enough in the tank to make for at least one more legendary fight.

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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

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Originally Posted by CFH

Cannot fucking believe I missed that.

I wonder what kind of dope Marquez is on?

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he posted on facebook to Roach - bring on the testing ;D

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The same dope Pac has been using for years. Pac would not take the f_cking test spells free pass for JMM to do the same.

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Originally Posted by Mars_ax

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Originally Posted by CFH

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Originally Posted by beenKOed

I'm so pissed at IamInuit for being right every time, I'm thinking about calling him out!
Do you have to be right 99.9% of the time?
A terrific fight with an emphatic answer to who is the better fighter, tonight anyway.

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Inuit is telepathic, that can be the only explanation. :-X

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Everyone knows that Canadians are gifted with intelligence and insight far beyond that which is possessed by other mortals.

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So true. ;)

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I can't argue! If Fenster ever catches on, IamInuit is going to have new bestest friend.

Well I just made a grand off that fight and I've yet to watch it. God damn it now I gotta wait two weeks before they show it again on HBO.

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Originally Posted by DavilaJones

Well I just made a grand off that fight and I've yet to watch it. God damn it now I gotta wait two weeks before they show it again on HBO.

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Not only did JMM KTFO of Pac he KTFO out of the white non boxing background HBO broadcasters that have totally disrepected JMM the previous three fights by not announcing JMM punches /body shots. It was hilarious to see them speechless at the end of this fight. They could have highlighted JMM's feat instead they still ran over to get Pac's perspective. Seems only Roy Jones was willing to credit JMM . Pac hugging ...... RIP . It was a good run but the Mexicans have their sport back !

End of an era indeed. Ever since Pacquiao brought up leg cramps a year or so ago I knew his explosiveness was done and when an athletic fighters legs are gone they go the way of RJJ. Rapid disgusting decline.

Well my favourite mexican of this generation won and I'm happy but I never blamed Pacqiuao for getting the nod the first three fights, they were competitive after all. Time for him to hang it up after all he's no doubt an all time great, a hero of a nation and one hell of a fighter. Also JMM..god damn I bow before you.

Pacquiao has been done for the past 12 months, this is the clincher. He should retire before some bum beats him. Marquez was never going to lose this fight and it's a decisive win. Pacman is through.

I thought the fight could have been stopped later on if it continued due to JuanMa's broken nose or JuanMa could have rested for a round or two and continued to box smart but Manny wanted to steal the round with the last 10 seconds of each round and he got carelss and opened himself for a counterpunch right that destroyed that chin. Manny didn't even put his hands in front of him as he went down face first. All we heard was a big KABOOM!

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Originally Posted by DavilaJones

Well I just made a grand off that fight and I've yet to watch it. God damn it now I gotta wait two weeks before they show it again on HBO.

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Having rewatched it, Marquez was better than I initially thought. Manny Pac always scares to death with his movement and quite frankly Marquez is a far cooler customer than most of us watching him fight. I watched it live as just pure nerves. On rewatching you can sit down calm knowing that you've seen the moves all before.

I score it.
Round 1 - Pac 10-9
Round 2 - Pac 10-9
Round 3 - Marquez 10-8
Round 4 - Marquez 10-9
Round 5 - Pac 10-9
Round 6 - Fight ends by :fighting0043gi5:

Manny wanted to please, got sloppy and ultimately that led to him making a fatal mistake and you cannot do that with Marquez. It really was stupid of Pac to go mental at the end of the round like that. There was no need. Just kamikaze and the kind of thing we chided Hatton for doing.

Shocked at this news. Pac Man is finished no need for any further fights.

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

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Originally Posted by bcollins

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

If Mayweather could have stopped Marquez I am sure he would have done so. He didn't make weight for the fight and was in with a man who had no experience beyond LW.

Mayweather beat Marquez by a landslide, but it was a dodgy fight in terms of Marquez not being a WW and Mayweather not meeting his side of the deal.

The Marquez who fought Manny a year ago would have done far better against Mayweather and definitely so against this older Mayweather. Mayweather has lost his legs now. Marquez bulked up properly and acclimatised to the weight. In other words Marquez had learned from the Mayweather fight and done his homework better.

The argument I have here is simply that I don't consider Mayweather the best active fighter in the world as he is a part time boxer. I have no issues with the Marquez/Mayweather fight result, but do believe Marquez is far better than the result suggests and I proffer the reasons of acclimatisation and cheating as partial explanations.

That fight is what it is though. Prior to this Manny was the best fighter in the world and he has been destroyed.

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I think a Mayweather/Marquez fight would be a much more competitive affair at this point. I'd pay to see it ;D

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You won't let Marquez have his retirement will you? ;D

Anyway folks, that's me done for the day too. A lot of posting, a lot of nerves, and just a brilliant result in the end. Full props to Marquez, but also commiserations too to Manny Pacquaio. He has been on the recieving end of my verbal sword for many years now and though delighted to see Marquez stop him, it was a very brutal stoppage. What goes around comes around, and it just is what it is. Pac had seemed like a rock in recent years, but he is just human after all. He is a proud man and won't have taken the stoppage well at all. I hope he will be okay.

Still, this is the moment for Marquez and I hope he enjoys it to the max. Over and out.

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Are you drunk again?:) I've been a member here for 3 1/2 years and I think this is the first time you've somewhat praised or given credit to Pacquiao.

Anyways, it was a great shot by JMM. It reminds me of when Hearns ko Duran. Just a massive shot and the opponent falling down face forward.

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Originally Posted by DavilaJones

Well I just made a grand off that fight and I've yet to watch it. God damn it now I gotta wait two weeks before they show it again on HBO.

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I'm sure you tube will show it before then.

People are talking about Marquez retiring, I hope Manny lays the gloves down.

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Originally Posted by TysonBomb

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Anybody notice how their feet hit when Marquez slips that jab? Looks like Manny tripped and fell face-first into that punch.

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Originally Posted by Mars_ax

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Originally Posted by CFH

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Originally Posted by beenKOed

I'm so pissed at IamInuit for being right every time, I'm thinking about calling him out!
Do you have to be right 99.9% of the time?
A terrific fight with an emphatic answer to who is the better fighter, tonight anyway.

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Inuit is telepathic, that can be the only explanation. :-X

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Everyone knows that Canadians are gifted with intelligence and insight far beyond that which is possessed by other mortals.

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So true. ;)

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Where was that insight when Brian Adams was putting out music?

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Originally Posted by greynotsoold

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Originally Posted by TysonBomb

http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.n...ko-marquez.gif

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Anybody notice how their feet hit when Marquez slips that jab? Looks like Manny tripped and fell face-first into that punch.

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It doesn't change a thing! There is no way that was not a legal KO, if that is what you are saying.
It is interesting though that no one mentioned it or noticed it except you, good call Sir!

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Originally Posted by beenKOed

I'm so pissed at IamInuit for being right every time, I'm thinking about calling him out!
Do you have to be right 99.9% of the time?
A terrific fight with an emphatic answer to who is the better fighter, tonight anyway.

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LOL

I just got lucky Bk. One can only imagine the kind of reception he will get when he lands in Mexico.
He done slayed the Mexican killer.

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Originally Posted by IamInuit

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Originally Posted by beenKOed

I'm so pissed at IamInuit for being right every time, I'm thinking about calling him out!
Do you have to be right 99.9% of the time?
A terrific fight with an emphatic answer to who is the better fighter, tonight anyway.

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LOL

I just got lucky Bk. One can only imagine the kind of reception he will get when he lands in Mexico.
He done slayed the Mexican killer.

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That was a great fight! Has to be one of the most satisfying wins for Marquez.
That false modesty doesn't fit you, you have to accept it, YOU are the man.

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Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxing

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Originally Posted by DavilaJones

Well I just made a grand off that fight and I've yet to watch it. God damn it now I gotta wait two weeks before they show it again on HBO.

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Not only did JMM KTFO of Pac he KTFO out of the white non boxing background HBO broadcasters that have totally disrepected JMM the previous three fights by not announcing JMM punches /body shots. It was hilarious to see them speechless at the end of this fight. They could have highlighted JMM's feat instead they still ran over to get Pac's perspective. Seems only Roy Jones was willing to credit JMM . Pac hugging ...... RIP . It was a good run but the Mexicans have their sport back !

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That is one thing annoy the crap outta me about hbo...commentators suck. Lederman sucks...they just get all the good fights...Kellerman is pretty decent tho.

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Originally Posted by beenKOed

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Originally Posted by greynotsoold

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Originally Posted by TysonBomb

http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.n...ko-marquez.gif

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Anybody notice how their feet hit when Marquez slips that jab? Looks like Manny tripped and fell face-first into that punch.

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It doesn't change a thing! There is no way that was not a legal KO, if that is what you are saying.
It is interesting though that no one mentioned it or noticed it except you, good call Sir!

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Not quite but pac has always been a bit odd balance/position wise. Which is why when Marquez chins him they're almost perpendicular to each other.

Well, as I've said somewhere here, I've seen it coming and came well-prepared for it, though I have to admit not in such a manner, but I didn't count out the KO if he came out recklessly overconfident. Though he fought in a way I wanted this time, I was concerned about his 'unusual' confidence for this fight and said somewhere here that it was a case of overconfidence. And of course, not to mention the superb motivation and training/conditioning of Juan M. Marquez, giving credit where credit is due; I think it's the motivation (it can move mountains) that counts the most here, something Pac has lost somewhere along the way...
And for me, it's time to move on, no hatin' or nitpicking, and that goes for all pac-fans here, it's time to just let it go and move on...

What is interesting from this result is that although Marqeuz is 1-3 against Pacquiao i think history will see him in a better light? Maybe fight 5 is on the cards? Then again i have believed that Pacquiao has been washed up for the past 12 months and if Bradley didn't prove it then a 39 year old Juan Manuel Marquez certainly did.

Even though he got KTFO, I think this is the best Manny has looked since Cotto (and I've been adamant that he's been on the decline since), so I'm not sure if retirement is a must. Manny showed more head movement and used the jab better tonight against Juan than he has in most of his recent fights. He just was careless against a great fighter and Marquez made him pay for it. I think tonights fight is good for fans who always go on about guys not wanting to finish enough, remember that the other man can flip the script in a minute like Juan did. I see Pacquiao winning a 5th fight if it takes place because Juan was hit uncharacteristically by a lot of Pacquiao shots last night. I'd love to see JMM ride into the sunset with this victory, what a way to end a legendary career it would be. I may be in the minority but with what Manny showed last night I'd still be game for the Mayweather fight, granted not until a tune up because we'll have to see if his punch resistance is gone after that brutal KO. All in all, a great night for boxing.

History says to me that after a knockout like that if he fights a puncher again he will end up the same way.

Just watched the HBO feed. First of all, what a great fight. I don't think it should beat out Alvardo for FOTY, but it probably will.

Secondly, I thought the HBO team came across as very biased towards Manny Pacquaio, which I suppose makes sense as he is the house fighter. Still, they ignored a lot of what Marquez was doing, especially his body work after round 3.

I'm still pissed I didn't get to see it live.

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Originally Posted by greynotsoold

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Originally Posted by TysonBomb

http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.n...ko-marquez.gif

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Anybody notice how their feet hit when Marquez slips that jab? Looks like Manny tripped and fell face-first into that punch.

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Anybody notice how that old white man sitting ringside is sticking his hands out as if to catch manny's head as if he were expecting it to roll off his shoulders.

I want to see it glorious 1080p :D I want to see my favourite tactician land that punch and hear it with my surround sound. I can wait two weeks for that :D

Almost 4 years ago, I made this post elsewhere (and all the best posters such as myself caught the bant there in late 2010):
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bradlee180
02-13-2009, 09:52 pm
Every fighter has some aspect of their game that can be exploited by their opponent.
For instance, southpaw Pacquiao drops his left hand when he fires his right jab.

An orthodox fighter could time that jab, slip outside, hit-on-the-slip with a right hand counter thrown straight at Manny's open chin or maybe even a rear hand right hook.

http://imageshack.us/a/img8/6339/pac...bilty01wq9.jpg

Manny's fast though and his right jab is hard. Mess up the slip, and the opponent'll eat a jarring, very sharp right jab rearranging his face a bit.

Hah, looks easy, but would be pretty damn difficult to actually execute against a quick, ball of energy like Pacquiao.

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Now was bradguy on the money 4 years ago or what, let's hear it!

I know the truth about Boxing.... http://imageshack.us/a/img13/7643/winklc3.jpg

Throw a straight right against a southpaw? You are a boxing genius!

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Only if he is one of the best p4p fighters who has broken your nose and you knock him clean out with it. :cool:

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Throw a straight right against a southpaw? You are a boxing genius!

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Well, I do have a bit of brain-damage, but I'm still quick enough to know the difference between a straight right and a right cross (unlike yourself)...

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Originally Posted by bradlee180

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Throw a straight right against a southpaw? You are a boxing genius!

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Well, I do have a bit of brain-damage, but I'm still quick enough to know the difference between a straight right and a right cross (unlike yourself)...

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I was referring to your brilliant 4 year old observation("...a right hand counter thrown straight at Manny's open chin..."), not recapping the fight.

PACQUIAO vs. MARQUEZ 4 POST-FIGHT ANALYSIS
w/ Steve Kim on The Russell Scott Show - Dec. 12th, 2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skhsQqtA9pg

Complete post-fight analysis of the Dec. 8 fight between Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez. Topics also include:

PED's in professional boxing
Cotto vs. Trout
Floyd Mayweather
Canelo Alvarez
Gamboa
UFC vs boxing
The year in review
Boxing on Network TV
Maxboxing

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I was referring to your brilliant 4 year old observation("...a right hand counter thrown straight at Manny's open chin..."), not recapping the fight.

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Eat my @$$hole. A fella like you might even like it.:lickish:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skhsQqtA9pg

Finally..the replay and first time seeing it 'clean' on the flatscreen! 5th round...WOW all over again ;D

Did you notice on 1st kd how Mannys eyes went blank for a sec. He looked short circuited

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Originally Posted by Spicoli

Finally..the replay and first time seeing it 'clean' on the flatscreen! 5th round...WOW all over again ;D

Did you notice on 1st kd how Mannys eyes went blank for a sec. He looked short circuited

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Is Manny Pac ginny now?