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South America got it this year, crowded places, a lot of football! and they lovin' it! And good money for their countries, But it's actually disgusting how they buying and selling football players! just like animals!Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Nah mate Germany has it this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xwetie
Job biscuit,
Eh eh
Don't fuck this up Germany.
That was an excellent match between Germany and Ghana. Is this the same team that lost against the USA?Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
Defo a good World Cup so far
Except for the England results, the tournament has been excellent. Even the England performance was better than it was in South Africa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plopeater
That second half was great good officiating n no flops with four goals in a half
Ghana's excellent on the counter, and maybe not the best at breaking down a deep defense. Luckily we got a goal early.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThat was an excellent match between Germany and Ghana. Is this the same team that lost against the USA?Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
They really are a good team though. Considering I didn't think we played that well, it was a great win and kind of fortunate.
Alright fuckers as far as I know nobody is Nigerian on the forum so Ill need you all to root for bosnia and sacrifice cows, sheep or whatever your various gods ask for!
Fuckin goal offsuded wrongly n nigeria scores a.few minutes later
judging by the bad luck n scoreboard i guess you all havent been sacrificing well!
fuckin blind ass side ref only dude that saw an offside not even the nigerians thought that was offside but alas his call is the only one that matters, quite frankly dissapointing and luck was definitely not on bosnia's side, oh well good thing i still got the us and the krauts to root for.
Getting ready for tomorrow
http://i.imgur.com/faTZGgt.jpg
I just don't know what to say. We were through.
Insane!!!! Now it might get tricky
Fuckim commentators jinxed that shit sayin us hasn't advanced after two games since 1930shit wasn't overQuote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
Last play of the damn game. It doesn't get anymore heartwrenching than that.
Hope the U.S. can recover psychologically.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzB5Iz5BWAg#t=28 Quite funnay!
You've got to cut them some slack. Those two and three others of the England team were just part of the biggest late season collapse in the history of professional sports. They've been crushed psychologically and may never recover from a momentous debacle like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzHim and Gerrard. If we go out tonight it will be a Liverpool players fault, either way. Cunts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I'd like to say well done to the Team America All-Star soccerball team who were amazingly close to a famous victory over South American opposition but a Portuguese player knotted the game with an overtime headkick.
I do not think it was the jinx more the cross from Ronaldo and the superb header to score the equaliser.Quote:
Originally Posted by arminFuckim commentators jinxed that shit sayin us hasn't advanced after two games since 1930shit wasn't overQuote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
England's problem isn't that they're scared of playing for the team or scared of the press reaction or whatever. Try dealing with the Brazilian or Spanish sports press if you think our press is bad. England's problem is that they can't make three passes without giving the ball away.
International football. You either need to tiki taka dominate possession or you need to be able to move the ball at great speed from player to player on the counterattack, the current tiki taka antidote.
England can't do either of these things because our players have fundamentally shit technique compared to foreigners.
Although he now looks like Uncle Fester Ray Wilkins was once a supremely gifted footballer. Captain of Chelsea at 19 and could play the ball better than Hoddle. One thing every Englishman knew was that Wilkins was amazingly gifted at passing the ball. Wilkins thought the same thing until he went to AC Milan and found that even the teenage trainees had better technique than him.
They used to have a training game where one guy went on the middle of the other players who were in a circle and passed the ball to each other. The guy in the middle would try and intercept it and the guy he intercepted it from then went in the middle. Wilkins spent almost all his time in the middle.
And we haven't got any better. Go abroad and you see pitches split in five crossways and five four versus four or five a side games going on instead of twenty two tiny kids playing on a full size pitch watching the ball soar over their heads all game. Foreign kids learn how to pass and controil the ball. English kids don't.
We breed payers who are big lads who can run all day and that's great for our end to end domestic league but shit for international football. And with the number of English players in the top league getting less every year the national team are going to get worse and worse.
That has been one problem in the past yeah. But at this tournament England had an 87% pass success rate vs Italy (the highest of any team in the first round of matches) and 82% vs Uruguay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
So on this occasion the reasons lay elsewhere.
This time I don't think there is a deeper reason to be uncovered other than we played two good teams in tight matches which could have gone either way but we ended up on wrong side 2 out of 2 (which isn't exactly a statistical improbability).
Of course though, if we were better, had better players, had a better style, then those matches wouldn't be 50/50 calls (or 60/40 or whatever) so the lack of English players at top clubs and the style of play in the EPL are issues.
England do not have enough quality players or any world class players. The ones that are decent are over paid spoilt brats. Every world cup since 1982 I build my hopes and this is the same result again.
1990 was the best team we ever had since class 66.
But it can't just be about that. Because that doesn't explain the team's lack of success between 2004 to 2010 when the team had at peak or near-peak the likes of John Terry, Rio Ferdinand, Ashley Cole, Lampard, Gerrard, Beckham, Owen, Rooney. They were all world class or very close to it, and nearly simultaneously. Yet we still didn't reach a semi final, final, or win anything in that time. So there must be more reasons than a lack of quality players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I'm turning against the England team as much as the next man and am sick of the 'next time we'll be better' shit. I don't ;ike what's happening in english football one bit
But had Rooney netted the easy equalizer against Italy and put two of his chances away against Uruguay we'd have been talking about how they were showing potential to go on from strength to strength in this tournament
We were dominated by neither, I've said before, just not clinical and a couple of silly defensive lapses. Every team is doing them and quite a few teams not playing to their potential.
Did you know there were only 6 attempts direct on the england goal in the two games. Hart saved just 1, 4 went in and Jagielka cleared other off line. That's not my stat it's from the Sun if you challenge it.
I have to say I can't remember Hart making a save to be honest :confused:
If they go out and win 3-0 tomorrow I'll be even more angry !
ah shit looks like croatia out basically too...
Mexico advances 😁 but I fear we will be eliminated by Netherlands :(
England is terrible for the reasons I highlighted earlier. If you want good home based talent, then you must nurture it. You cannot allow foreigners to just come in and laugh at you. They don't come for the weather.
The England team will NEVER improve unless the premier league is tamed. Unless you care about the home nation, then nothing will ever get better. I apply this logic from football to immigration, to everything.
You support the corporate behemoth that is Liverpool and consequently are part of the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Not really, Liverpool was a couple of years. Where was the rest of the UK? Exactly. It had nothing. It is a metaphor for the UK. A tragic and pointless nation.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzYou support the corporate behemoth that is Liverpool and consequently are part of the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
England are doing well with the B side.
At least they are giving it a go and Milner/Shaw are getting up there a lot.
Those possession numbers are the exceptions that prove the rule I think. Italy are no great shakes in this tournament, they managed to lose to Costa Rica (population 5 million) and we lost to Uruguay (pop 3 million). All three teams are finishing below Costa Rica.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanThat has been one problem in the past yeah. But at this tournament England had an 87% pass success rate vs Italy (the highest of any team in the first round of matches) and 82% vs Uruguay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
So on this occasion the reasons lay elsewhere.
This time I don't think there is a deeper reason to be uncovered other than we played two good teams in tight matches which could have gone either way but we ended up on wrong side 2 out of 2 (which isn't exactly a statistical improbability).
Of course though, if we were better, had better players, had a better style, then those matches wouldn't be 50/50 calls (or 60/40 or whatever) so the lack of English players at top clubs and the style of play in the EPL are issues.
Against higher level competition, last 16/last 8 level, England can't keep the ball for more than a few passes and don't have the solid technique throughout the team to be able to move the ball from front to back at high speed on the counter attack and create chances. In all these tournaments as soon as we come up against a decent team we always lose. Always. This time we didn't even get to the decent team stage.
So suarez.craved that human flesh again?
Yeah I hear you, but I'm just thinking maybe our ball retention has improved but at the cost of other areas. Whether it has or hasn't, it wasn't the reason we went out here. This time it was defensive lapses and not being clinical.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingThose possession numbers are the exceptions that prove the rule I think. Italy are no great shakes in this tournament, they managed to lose to Costa Rica (population 5 million) and we lost to Uruguay (pop 3 million). All three teams are finishing below Costa Rica.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanThat has been one problem in the past yeah. But at this tournament England had an 87% pass success rate vs Italy (the highest of any team in the first round of matches) and 82% vs Uruguay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
So on this occasion the reasons lay elsewhere.
This time I don't think there is a deeper reason to be uncovered other than we played two good teams in tight matches which could have gone either way but we ended up on wrong side 2 out of 2 (which isn't exactly a statistical improbability).
Of course though, if we were better, had better players, had a better style, then those matches wouldn't be 50/50 calls (or 60/40 or whatever) so the lack of English players at top clubs and the style of play in the EPL are issues.
Against higher level competition, last 16/last 8 level, England can't keep the ball for more than a few passes and don't have the solid technique throughout the team to be able to move the ball from front to back at high speed on the counter attack and create chances. In all these tournaments as soon as we come up against a decent team we always lose. Always. This time we didn't even get to the decent team stage.
People are still surprised? Dude that happened like half an hour agoQuote:
Originally Posted by armin
England were knocked out 2002 by freak Ronaldinio goal, lost a lot of penalty shoot outs so may be it was down to simply bad luck.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanYeah I hear you, but I'm just thinking maybe our ball retention has improved but at the cost of other areas. Whether it has or hasn't, it wasn't the reason we went out here. This time it was defensive lapses and not being clinical.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingThose possession numbers are the exceptions that prove the rule I think. Italy are no great shakes in this tournament, they managed to lose to Costa Rica (population 5 million) and we lost to Uruguay (pop 3 million). All three teams are finishing below Costa Rica.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanThat has been one problem in the past yeah. But at this tournament England had an 87% pass success rate vs Italy (the highest of any team in the first round of matches) and 82% vs Uruguay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
So on this occasion the reasons lay elsewhere.
This time I don't think there is a deeper reason to be uncovered other than we played two good teams in tight matches which could have gone either way but we ended up on wrong side 2 out of 2 (which isn't exactly a statistical improbability).
Of course though, if we were better, had better players, had a better style, then those matches wouldn't be 50/50 calls (or 60/40 or whatever) so the lack of English players at top clubs and the style of play in the EPL are issues.
Against higher level competition, last 16/last 8 level, England can't keep the ball for more than a few passes and don't have the solid technique throughout the team to be able to move the ball from front to back at high speed on the counter attack and create chances. In all these tournaments as soon as we come up against a decent team we always lose. Always. This time we didn't even get to the decent team stage.
I am sure if we beat Germany 1990 we would have beaten Argentina in the final.
I think it is in one of the hotter cities of brazil at this time of year so that could help old mexico, and mexico have been fairly good, very good defensively, I think the dutchmen might have a problem when coming up against a very well disciplened defence.. if robben and van persie are still on top form then it could be bad :S..Quote:
Originally Posted by Maravilla2012
I am going to tip mexico for the upset ... 1-0 in extra time !
dutchman daley blind has been doing very well this world cup , he has had a couple of good assists so far, I think he could be on the move after this tournament
I stopped watching for about a week, just tuned in to the Argentina/Nigeria game, very exciting start.
Suarez latched onto that guy Dawn of the Dead style, what a nut.
Don't be too hard on him. He was just involved in the greatest ever late season choke in professional sports history. The players and the fans involved are just beginning to come to terms with the magnitude and significance of their collapse. For Suarez that may have been the moment when it sunk in, so to speak.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker