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Gandalf
Most people with AS are deficient in one or the other main nutrients I mentioned above. This clearly indicates a problem that accumulated over time. Fenster wasn't likely not born from day 1 with the problem and neither were you. Your body was likely not absorbing nutrients for whatever the reason was based upon your individual life circumstances. Doctors themselves admit that they do not know the cause and that usually puts it down to the default 'autoimmune' category. It can be regulated.
Your family sounds very unusual Beanz, but you were likely not absorbing nutrients because of any number of reasons. 99% of people are nutrient deficient despite eating as well as they can. You cannot get good nutrition from contemporary depleted soils or the foods grown in them. You said earlier what would I know. Well it has become my mission to understand as I know the price of mineral deficiency as do most people in one way or another.
I understand that Fenster is very sick and want him to get well. Please stop abusing me and don't slander one of the most advanced nutritional groups in the world today. The products are life changing for so many people and that should be respected. To have faith in medicine would have you on diabetes meds for life. Most of these things can be cured or relieved naturally and in the long run at less cost.
It's good to keep options open and at least consider alternatives. It doesn't hurt to suggest ideas. I already cired a friend who is over the moon with it. Same condition as you both and convinced something in his past triggered it. A smart, decent chap.
For fucks sake. Yes he was likely born with it. The genetic factor is clearly there just because you refuse to accept that. Stop pedaling your bullshit. It's not slander it's a fact. Wallach is a dangerous quack and you have fallen for his bullshit. You have no idea what you are talking about and it's incredibly offensive to suggest that these things can be cured or relieved naturally by some magic PRODUCT. Your mineral deficiency campaign is just another form of evangelical nonsense like the crap that Shouty Alex Jones sells you fool.
That isn't proven either, so you cannot say 'the genetic factor is clearly there'. That's pedalling unproven bullshit too. You are ruling out the alternative without having even tried. You likely were not getting your nutritional balance. Youngevity has changed the lives of many people, just check out the comments online, check out the reviews, talk to friends who have used it. People like it because it has helped their health, because it works. Olympians have used it, sports stars have used it, friends of Presidents have used it and they have alleviated or cured things the medical establishment often could not. Those are some facts. There is nothing magic about nutrients, it is called nature and when we have the nutrients we need our bodies can produce incredible results. You have never looked into it, never tried it, and have just done a two minute slander run on Google. You are the fraud, old boy. You are likely sick because you didn't get the nutrition you need. I know it can be relieved as I have seen it with my own eyes. I didn't discover it, others said it might work for me too and so I am giving it a try. So far so good, but it's not a quick fix rebalancing so many years of unbalance. Take roseacea a condition doctors say has no permanent cure, well I have cured it naturally. Given time I would like to see what else I can do. Most people are missing something or other whence things going wrong.
Stop being such an arrogant fuckwit. How considering the prevalence of AS in my family could I deny the genetic factor? HLA-B27 is there for 88% of people with AS, it is inherited. 50% of first degree relatives with spondyloarthropathies are HLA-B27 positive. It is clearly hereditary. It is an auto immune disease whether you like it or not. Please stop lecturing on something you have little knowledge of. How dare you suggest that the children of a medicinal herbalist and nutritionist would not have looked into natural wholefoods and nutrients and the absorption of their properties, as though their mother would not have spent her life researching the best for her children . Twat.
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I think Miles trying to help people. I think Miles is suggesting thinking outside of the box. There is no malice intended when he suggests alternate route apps. Miracles are always right around the corner.
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Your family sounds very unusual Beanz
Well Jesus Christ, Miles, WTF TOOK YA?
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Some are utterly hooked/lined/sunk on Western medicine. Anything out of that blanky is ostracized as "quack medicine".
Yet they keep eating depleted foods, treated/irradiated produce/rancid hydrogenated oils/refined flour and sugar.
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Miles
Now that you're the king of nutrients. Is all this now null and void?
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...85#post1434485
You've come a long way in a very short space of time. I think you sell yourself short. With the proper vocational training, a man that picks up new skills that easily could become a plumber no problem.
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Some are utterly hooked/lined/sunk on Western medicine. Anything out of that blanky is ostracized as "quack medicine".
Yet they keep eating depleted foods, treated/irradiated produce/rancid hydrogenated oils/refined flour and sugar.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-ZqD9-W1_8
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So...erm...about that fire
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Beans et al ***NEED TO DEMONIZE ALEX JONES**** bcuz they are closed minded judgemental pricks.
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Some are utterly hooked/lined/sunk on Western medicine. Anything out of that blanky is ostracized as "quack medicine".
Yet they keep eating depleted foods, treated/irradiated produce/rancid hydrogenated oils/refined flour and sugar.
Yes that would be yourself and Miles. I mean come on Miles for years has told us all how much he can't abide vegetables and has survived on a diet of barbecued chicken and frey Bentos pies, crisps and chocolate bars sent from the UK and then you share with us all a regular diet of shit mass produced lagers which you call 'beer' and these which you shared a couple days ago
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...tid=4091&stc=1
You most certainly do not get any more western medicine like then Wallach, Jones etc and their "supplements". It's beyond parody because now we have Miles telling us that you can't possibly get nutrients form Whole foods even if you grow them yourself because he doesn't trust soil.
The pair of you are a joke. You are almost hyper western and certainly ultra conventional and conservative in your appetites and opinions. You can't have it both ways.
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Life style I wonder if I done this I would not have that,! but there are NO guarantees are they you can try.
Here is something we could debate for weeks and a fact we dont know when illness will strike us.:dontknow:
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The judge put in charge of the Grenfell public Inquiry has already said he does not think the inquiry will go far enough
The retired judge heading the inquiry into the Grenfell Tower fire says he is "doubtful" the process will be as wide-ranging as some residents hope.
Sir Martin Moore-Bick said the probe could be limited to the cause, how it spread, and preventing a future blaze.
He was speaking after travelling to the site of the fire in North Kensington and meeting some of the survivors.
Some Grenfell residents have said they were unhappy at not being involved in Sir Martin's appointment.
They have also previously told how they raised fire safety concerns for several years before the fire.
The judge said the fire was an "enormous tragedy and I can honestly say I have never seen anything like that building which is now completely gutted".
Sir Martin said: "I'm well aware the residents and the local people want a much broader investigation and I can fully understand why they would want that.
"Whether my inquiry is the right way in which to achieve that I'm more doubtful and I will give that some thought and in due course make a recommendation."
He added: "But there may be other ways in which the desire for that investigation could be satisfied otherwise through the work that I'm going to do."...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40446579
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There should be an inquest
Grenfell Tower residents should demand an inquest rather than a public inquiry to get answers about the tragedy, according to a solicitor who acted for people affected in the 2009 Lakanal House fire.
Sophie Khan said that in an inquest the Government would “lose control” and a jury would be able to deliver its conclusion regardless of whether it was uncomfortable to hear.
In a public inquiry, such as that ordered by the Prime Minister into the fire that killed at least 17 on Wednesday, a minister will set the terms of reference, which guide how the hearings proceed.
Ms Khan told BBC Newsnight: “In an inquest they lose control of what a jury verdict will do. Juries will come out with narrative verdicts which may be very difficult for the Government to hear.
“You can't have both, you can only have one or the other. They [residents] should really be demanding an inquest.
“I'm very concerned as to why Ms May came out so quickly to say, 'public inquiry'. What is there, that she knows, that needs to be hidden?”
She added: “We have to look at the fire assessments because here there is a fire issue as well. It's not just the council we need to look at. What were the fire brigade doing? Refurbishments have been done, what tests did they do on the building?”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7792891.html
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Lifestyle choices and nutrition (example how many of you have ever eaten 2 pounds of broccoli and 2 whole HEADS of garlic sauteed in olive oil AT ONE SITTING FOR DINNER? MAYBE NONE OF YOU. BUT DO THAT FOR 6 MONTHS AND IT MAY CURE YOU.) ......are 75% of reason for ALL DISEASE
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Asinine WTC vs Grenfell Tower comparison.......... to poor vs. rich arguments on Grenfell victim relocation plans......... to nutritional supplements vs. traditional medicine for various serious ailments.
My my......... how these threads have a way of morphing.
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Asinine WTC vs Grenfell Tower comparison.......... to poor vs. rich arguments on Grenfell victim relocation plans......... to nutritional supplements vs. traditional medicine for various serious ailments.
My my......... how these threads have a way of morphing.
......a way of MORPHINE.
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TitoFan
Asinine WTC vs Grenfell Tower comparison.......... to poor vs. rich arguments on Grenfell victim relocation plans......... to nutritional supplements vs. traditional medicine for various serious ailments.
My my......... how these threads have a way of morphing.
......a way of MORPHINE.
Nah..... I'm sure I meant "morphing." :)
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Gandalf
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Beanz
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Gandalf
Most people with AS are deficient in one or the other main nutrients I mentioned above. This clearly indicates a problem that accumulated over time. Fenster wasn't likely not born from day 1 with the problem and neither were you. Your body was likely not absorbing nutrients for whatever the reason was based upon your individual life circumstances. Doctors themselves admit that they do not know the cause and that usually puts it down to the default 'autoimmune' category. It can be regulated.
Your family sounds very unusual Beanz, but you were likely not absorbing nutrients because of any number of reasons. 99% of people are nutrient deficient despite eating as well as they can. You cannot get good nutrition from contemporary depleted soils or the foods grown in them. You said earlier what would I know. Well it has become my mission to understand as I know the price of mineral deficiency as do most people in one way or another.
I understand that Fenster is very sick and want him to get well. Please stop abusing me and don't slander one of the most advanced nutritional groups in the world today. The products are life changing for so many people and that should be respected. To have faith in medicine would have you on diabetes meds for life. Most of these things can be cured or relieved naturally and in the long run at less cost.
It's good to keep options open and at least consider alternatives. It doesn't hurt to suggest ideas. I already cired a friend who is over the moon with it. Same condition as you both and convinced something in his past triggered it. A smart, decent chap.
For fucks sake. Yes he was likely born with it. The genetic factor is clearly there just because you refuse to accept that. Stop pedaling your bullshit. It's not slander it's a fact. Wallach is a dangerous quack and you have fallen for his bullshit. You have no idea what you are talking about and it's incredibly offensive to suggest that these things can be cured or relieved naturally by some magic PRODUCT. Your mineral deficiency campaign is just another form of evangelical nonsense like the crap that Shouty Alex Jones sells you fool.
That isn't proven either, so you cannot say 'the genetic factor is clearly there'. That's pedalling unproven bullshit too. You are ruling out the alternative without having even tried. You likely were not getting your nutritional balance. Youngevity has changed the lives of many people, just check out the comments online, check out the reviews, talk to friends who have used it. People like it because it has helped their health, because it works. Olympians have used it, sports stars have used it, friends of Presidents have used it and they have alleviated or cured things the medical establishment often could not. Those are some facts. There is nothing magic about nutrients, it is called nature and when we have the nutrients we need our bodies can produce incredible results. You have never looked into it, never tried it, and have just done a two minute slander run on Google. You are the fraud, old boy. You are likely sick because you didn't get the nutrition you need. I know it can be relieved as I have seen it with my own eyes. I didn't discover it, others said it might work for me too and so I am giving it a try. So far so good, but it's not a quick fix rebalancing so many years of unbalance. Take roseacea a condition doctors say has no permanent cure, well I have cured it naturally. Given time I would like to see what else I can do. Most people are missing something or other whence things going wrong.
Stop being such an arrogant fuckwit. How considering the prevalence of AS in my family could I deny the genetic factor? HLA-B27 is there for 88% of people with AS, it is inherited. 50% of first degree relatives with spondyloarthropathies are HLA-B27 positive. It is clearly hereditary. It is an auto immune disease whether you like it or not. Please stop lecturing on something you have little knowledge of. How dare you suggest that the children of a medicinal herbalist and nutritionist would not have looked into natural wholefoods and nutrients and the absorption of their properties, as though their mother would not have spent her life researching the best for her children . Twat.
Generally I support miles but I have to give #harshwords points to beanz on that one. He threw I the old -twat. Usually you will just see the harsh word twat stand alone. Adding a -twat, that is clever. Damn on review it merely says .twat so disregard everything I said, I need to get my eyes checked-twats
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Beanz is a hooligan shenanigan Mulligan yeoman.
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Beanz is a hooligan shenanigan Mulligan yeoman.
Too many years on council estates with his threats of violence. It's also amazing how everyone in his family is disabled and yet supremely informed about health and how to live. It makes no sense. Why are they all so damn physically and mentally ill then? If it really is genetic it is another reason why people should think carefully before having any children. You don't want to put the Beanz curse on others. It would be terrible.
Miles, normally when someone is disabled or suffers some serious ailment, the normal course is to become knowledgeable about that very topic. I don't discuss my own personal life here, but I can tell you from experience that what I just said is the case. While you might be well-intentioned with your knowledge and experience on nutrition and supplements, it's not the answer for everyone or every condition. Shit happens, as they say. Nobody wants to be disabled or sick, but shit happens. When it does, you maintain a positive attitude, in addition to seeking the best medical help possible. If you can supplement that with healthy/ natural food, lifestyles, and vitamin supplements... more power to you. But sickness is a delicate and sensitive topic. We fight here all the time about all sorts of shit. We're all fought with each other at one time or another. But my two cents is that this is an area were you might well want to leave well enough alone. Fight about the rich and the poor..... fight about politics..... fight about boxing. But I'd gently extract myself from this particular battle.
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The internet is the internet man, I don't divulge everything about myself on here I'm not retarded. In life I've been through some events and have had my ups and downs like anyone else, I don't attempt to bring those up in order to win arguments out of pity. The internet is a harsh place not because the people typing away on the keyboards don't have humanity, it's because just a screen name doesn't garner a sense of humanity and maybe I'm cynical (I think everyone is to a point these days) but just because you type something out on here about yourself doesn't mean it's irrefutably true.
Some folks share more about themselves than others, that's fine. Some folks don't share anything at all about themselves, that is also fine. Arguments and debates on here can and do get personal sometimes and when they do I think it's the best policy (not that I always 100% of the time end up doing it) to just try and leave emotion out of it and stick to the facts. If someone brings up personal things that makes a subject emotional for them, I try not to batter them with the information they openly and I would hope honestly shared....I try just to stay out of the emotional and stick to the facts and yeah sometimes that is difficult, I'm human, I make mistakes from time to time.
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There should be an inquest
Grenfell Tower residents should demand an inquest rather than a public inquiry to get answers about the tragedy, according to a solicitor who acted for people affected in the 2009 Lakanal House fire.
Sophie Khan said that in an inquest the Government would “lose control” and a jury would be able to deliver its conclusion regardless of whether it was uncomfortable to hear.
In a public inquiry, such as that ordered by the Prime Minister into the fire that killed at least 17 on Wednesday, a minister will set the terms of reference, which guide how the hearings proceed.
Ms Khan told BBC Newsnight: “In an inquest they lose control of what a jury verdict will do. Juries will come out with narrative verdicts which may be very difficult for the Government to hear.
“You can't have both, you can only have one or the other. They [residents] should really be demanding an inquest.
“I'm very concerned as to why Ms May came out so quickly to say, 'public inquiry'. What is there, that she knows, that needs to be hidden?”
She added: “We have to look at the fire assessments because here there is a fire issue as well. It's not just the council we need to look at. What were the fire brigade doing? Refurbishments have been done, what tests did they do on the building?”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7792891.html
No need to even be long winded , I know plenty about building regulations / bs standards / fire safety / and building control.
Its down to the architect to submit plans with a bs standard key for all fire /insulation / electrical ratings etc. If the contractors have not followed them they are liable , if the architect has made an error he is liable , that aside the building inspector should check all details before rubber stamping the building as safe. That my friends is why you pay the fee to building control.
Stinks to me as its taking so long , I feel many people may be for the gallows.
My guess is that the original plans where probably sound , the contactors may have cut corners on fire safety , and the building inspectors have passed it fit as a habitable building .
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Not to mention the Council had MORE THAN ENOUGH funds to remedy the situation prior to the blaze...and those being tax funds the citizenry should be well pissed off that their money they EARNED and the fat fucking council members are just sitting on that while receiving MORE taxed money.
But you can't fucking say that because someone might get all angry with the wrong folk....it's the wealthy people who need dealing with, heads on pikes and all that
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just because you type something out on here about yourself doesn't mean it's irrefutably true.
Are you trying to say you don't believe I am really Batman?
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Kill the wealthy and Trump they didn't earn a penny of it on their own they STOLE IT FROM THE POOR.
FFS
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just because you type something out on here about yourself doesn't mean it's irrefutably true.
Are you trying to say you don't believe I am really Batman?
Something to that effect.......PERHAPS!
http://www.mediashower.com/img/570/e...20izismile.jpg
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Not to mention the Council had MORE THAN ENOUGH funds to remedy the situation prior to the blaze...and those being tax funds the citizenry should be well pissed off that their money they EARNED and the fat fucking council members are just sitting on that while receiving MORE taxed money.But you can't fucking say that because someone might get all angry with the wrong folk....it's the wealthy people who need dealing with, heads on pikes and all that
This is the exact argument that people have been making though Lyle. It's our tax money. Our council tax, our income tax, our national insurance and the Tories in charge, whether that be councillors or MPs, are usually those same double barrelled surname rich aristocrats giving themselves 12% pay rises and then refusing to grant public sector workers (fire brigade,nurses,garbage collectors, state prosecutors, paramedics etc) more than 1%. So the working poors wages do not even keep up with inflation. These same politicians are lobbied by huge corporations with special interests who offer them places on the board and shares etc and so laws are made that again give them huge tax breaks and slack legislation that again punishes the working poor. It's happening in your country too. When huge corporates like Amazon and Google operate like states paying no tax and dictating policy, the flaws in the American model are obvious. Austerity and poor basic services and rights, like the right to not be burned alive for the working man, and pay rises and no tax for the top 1%. It does not make someone a communist to point this out.
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El Kabong
Not to mention the Council had MORE THAN ENOUGH funds to remedy the situation prior to the blaze...and those being tax funds the citizenry should be well pissed off that their money they EARNED and the fat fucking council members are just sitting on that while receiving MORE taxed money.But you can't fucking say that because someone might get all angry with the wrong folk....it's the wealthy people who need dealing with, heads on pikes and all that
This is the exact argument that people have been making though Lyle. It's our tax money. Our council tax, our income tax, our national insurance and the Tories in charge, whether that be councillors or MPs, are usually those same double barrelled surname rich aristocrats giving themselves 12% pay rises and then refusing to grant public sector workers (fire brigade,nurses,garbage collectors, state prosecutors, paramedics etc) more than 1%. So the working poors wages do not even keep up with inflation. These same politicians are lobbied by huge corporations with special interests who offer them places on the board and shares etc and so laws are made that again give them huge tax breaks and slack legislation that again punishes the working poor. It's happening in your country too. When huge corporates like Amazon and Google operate like states paying no tax and dictating policy, the flaws in the American model are obvious. Austerity and poor basic services and rights, like the right to not be burned alive for the working man, and pay rises and no tax for the top 1%. It does not make someone a communist to point this out.
Ah yes.....ONLY Tories.
I had a feeling that would be the response.
Carry on
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El Kabong
Not to mention the Council had MORE THAN ENOUGH funds to remedy the situation prior to the blaze...and those being tax funds the citizenry should be well pissed off that their money they EARNED and the fat fucking council members are just sitting on that while receiving MORE taxed money.But you can't fucking say that because someone might get all angry with the wrong folk....it's the wealthy people who need dealing with, heads on pikes and all that
This is the exact argument that people have been making though Lyle. It's our tax money. Our council tax, our income tax, our national insurance and the Tories in charge, whether that be councillors or MPs, are usually those same double barrelled surname rich aristocrats giving themselves 12% pay rises and then refusing to grant public sector workers (fire brigade,nurses,garbage collectors, state prosecutors, paramedics etc) more than 1%. So the working poors wages do not even keep up with inflation. These same politicians are lobbied by huge corporations with special interests who offer them places on the board and shares etc and so laws are made that again give them huge tax breaks and slack legislation that again punishes the working poor. It's happening in your country too. When huge corporates like Amazon and Google operate like states paying no tax and dictating policy, the flaws in the American model are obvious. Austerity and poor basic services and rights, like the right to not be burned alive for the working man, and pay rises and no tax for the top 1%. It does not make someone a communist to point this out.
Ah yes.....ONLY Tories.
I had a feeling that would be the response.
Carry on
Yes because they do not believe in public services. If you think you know more about British politics than the Brits why would you even post in this thread? I have nothing against wealthy people I know people who own stately homes who are lovely people but there is no excuse for not paying your taxes or abusing the power that wealth gives you to keep other people down. I mean it's quite uncontroversial stuff but if you think those working in the public sector do not deserve a pay rise at least in line with inflation at 2.9% then you are aligning yourself with the Tories. In the Labour and every other parties manifesto they guaranteed a pay rise of above 1% for firemen etc. Even under the worst "new labour" government when I was a public sector worker for the CPS we were given a pay rise above inflation and certainly above 1%. So yes
Only the Tories
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Tony.B.Liar and his merry men took us to an illegal war , and had an open door policy on immigration.
Yes everyone should pay tax , not only the rich , but why should a family of 4 from Africa who come with nothing and earn below the tax limit ( that's if thety work at all ) get a free life on me ?
Bill Gates said today , Europe needs to change its policy on immigration or it will be over run by African migrants.
Thankyou Tony Blair and co.
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SJW "Save Humanity's Poor" liberals will be crying soon after they are totally overrun by people who do not care about them or their values or their systems AT ALL.
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Yes because they do not believe in public services. If you think you know more about British politics than the Brits why would you even post in this thread? I have nothing against wealthy people I know people who own stately homes who are lovely people but there is no excuse for not paying your taxes or abusing the power that wealth gives you to keep other people down. I mean it's quite uncontroversial stuff but if you think those working in the public sector do not deserve a pay rise at least in line with inflation at 2.9% then you are aligning yourself with the Tories. In the Labour and every other parties manifesto they guaranteed a pay rise of above 1% for firemen etc. Even under the worst "new labour" government when I was a public sector worker for the CPS we were given a pay rise above inflation and certainly above 1%. So yes
Only the Tories
:vd:
There's certainly no shortage of Labour/Lib Dems queued up and ready to protest whenever THE GOVERNMENT fucks up and yet they're still for bigger, "better", more invasive, cradle to grave womb to tomb Central Government even if that Government is idiotic and makes big mistakes like the ones made at Grenfell or in any other council estate with similar issues.....didn't PM Tony Blair LABOUR have some kind of 'Decent Homes Initiative' hmm? And that did what now?
Who's not paying taxes and why the fuck is that first on your list? The government had more than enough money to fix the problems and they just never saw fit to address those problems. Not the Tories as you say, but also not Labour or Lib Dems. The Lib Dems of Southwark Council only had to pay a small fine for the fire at Lakanal House which took the lives of 6 people in 2009, but that's not enough to keep Jeremy Corbyn from grandstanding on this issue.
I feel sorry for people dependent on government....fucking abusive relationship that one. In the United States for the 1949 Housing Act entire communities (only the "poor" ones mind you) were destroyed and then those people who owned or rented homes were placed in prison like project buildings and the inner cities went to shit....but hey good intentions is how we measure the successes of left leaning policies we certainly can't judge them based on results.
I don't want the government doing much for me and because I care about others I do what I can to provide for those in need via charity....I suppose that makes me some kind of vile person since I do not wish for another of my fellow citizens to become a slave to government.
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Yes because they do not believe in public services. If you think you know more about British politics than the Brits why would you even post in this thread? I have nothing against wealthy people I know people who own stately homes who are lovely people but there is no excuse for not paying your taxes or abusing the power that wealth gives you to keep other people down. I mean it's quite uncontroversial stuff but if you think those working in the public sector do not deserve a pay rise at least in line with inflation at 2.9% then you are aligning yourself with the Tories. In the Labour and every other parties manifesto they guaranteed a pay rise of above 1% for firemen etc. Even under the worst "new labour" government when I was a public sector worker for the CPS we were given a pay rise above inflation and certainly above 1%. So yes
Only the Tories
:vd:
There's certainly no shortage of Labour/Lib Dems queued up and ready to protest whenever
THE GOVERNMENT fucks up and yet they're still for bigger, "better", more invasive, cradle to grave womb to tomb Central Government even if that Government is idiotic and makes big mistakes like the ones made at Grenfell or in any other council estate with similar issues.....didn't PM Tony Blair
LABOUR have some kind of 'Decent Homes Initiative' hmm? And that did what now?
Who's not paying taxes and why the fuck is that first on your list? The government had more than enough money to fix the problems and they just never saw fit to address those problems. Not the Tories as you say, but also not Labour or Lib Dems. The Lib Dems of Southwark Council only had to pay a small fine for the fire at Lakanal House which took the lives of 6 people in 2009, but that's not enough to keep Jeremy Corbyn from grandstanding on this issue.
I feel sorry for people dependent on government....fucking abusive relationship that one. In the United States for the 1949 Housing Act entire communities (only the "poor" ones mind you) were destroyed and then those people who owned or rented homes were placed in prison like project buildings and the inner cities went to shit....but hey good intentions is how we measure the successes of left leaning policies we certainly can't judge them based on results.
I don't want the government doing much for me and because I care about others I do what I can to provide for those in need via charity....I suppose that makes me some kind of vile person since I do not wish for another of my fellow citizens to become a slave to government.
Sorry to disappoint you but we are not your fellow citizens and it is no good you trying to impose the American model onto the rest of the world. I don't think you understand the difference between councils and the government the Lib Dems and Labour, new Labour under Blair and true Labour before and after him. It would take quite a long time to explain and be a huge waste of energy because you have your mind made up. You cannot use America in trying to understand the UK. Particularly now when you are being run like a corporation which is the complete opposite of what governments are elected to do.
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This is the attitude of the most arrogant Government the UK has ever had. Cheering when they manage to freeze the wages of emergency services after the last few weeks we have had.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ants?CMP=fb_gu
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Sorry to disappoint you but we are not your fellow citizens and it is no good you trying to impose the American model onto the rest of the world. I don't think you understand the difference between councils and the government the Lib Dems and Labour, new Labour under Blair and true Labour before and after him. It would take quite a long time to explain and be a huge waste of energy because you have your mind made up. You cannot use America in trying to understand the UK. Particularly now when you are being run like a corporation which is the complete opposite of what governments are elected to do.
Yeah again so 100% Tories fault and NOT just government in general....k, got it. Get your pitchfork and torch and storm Parliament
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But all the MPs vote for themselves for a pay rise regardless of which party they are members of, they are all fucking full of shit sorry to say Jeremy for all his bullshit far left crap has private education for his kid, what a fucking idiot do as I say not as I do.
I hate the Tory's and Jeremy the twerp fuck what a fucking bunch of ass holes.
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But all the MPs vote for themselves for a pay rise regardless of which party they are members of, they are all fucking full of shit sorry to say Jeremy for all his bullshit far left crap has private education for his kid, what a fucking idiot do as I say not as I do.
I hate the Tory's and Jeremy the twerp fuck what a fucking bunch of ass holes.
Well you're going to get a bit of a talking to ain't ya? ;D
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But all the MPs vote for themselves for a pay rise regardless of which party they are members of, they are all fucking full of shit sorry to say Jeremy for all his bullshit far left crap has private education for his kid, what a fucking idiot do as I say not as I do.
I hate the Tory's and Jeremy the twerp fuck what a fucking bunch of ass holes.
Corbyn's wife, from whom he is separated, sent his son to a comprehensive against his wishes and the issue here is why for 7 years the public sector wage rise has been capped at 1%. The Labour party under Corbyn tried to reverse the cap on Public sector Pay, a rise to at least keep up with inflation so that Fire Fighters, Paramedics, Nurses etc do not become part of the working poor and who exactly would vote against that?
Nigel Adams (Conservative - Selby and Ainsty)
Bim Afolami (Conservative - Hitchin and Harpenden)
Adam Afriyie (Conservative - Windsor)
Peter Aldous (Conservative - Waveney)
Lucy Allan (Conservative - Telford)
Heidi Allen (Conservative - South Cambridgeshire)
Stuart Andrew (Conservative - Pudsey)
Edward Argar (Conservative - Charnwood)
Victoria Atkins (Conservative - Louth and Horncastle)
Mr Richard Bacon (Conservative - South Norfolk)
Mrs Kemi Badenoch (Conservative - Saffron Walden)
Mr Steve Baker (Conservative - Wycombe)
Harriett Baldwin (Conservative - West Worcestershire)
Stephen Barclay (Conservative - North East Cambridgeshire)
Mr John Baron (Conservative - Basildon and Billericay)
Guto Bebb (Conservative - Aberconwy)
Sir Henry Bellingham (Conservative - North West Norfolk)
Richard Benyon (Conservative - Newbury)
Sir Paul Beresford (Conservative - Mole Valley)
Jake Berry (Conservative - Rossendale and Darwen)
Bob Blackman (Conservative - Harrow East)
Crispin Blunt (Conservative - Reigate)
Nick Boles (Conservative - Grantham and Stamford)
Mr Peter Bone (Conservative - Wellingborough)
Sir Peter Bottomley (Conservative - Worthing West)
Andrew C Bowie (Conservative - West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine)
Ben Bradley (Conservative - Mansfield)
Karen Bradley (Conservative - Staffordshire Moorlands)
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Mr Graham Brady (Conservative - Altrincham and Sale West)
Jack Brereton (Conservative - Stoke-on-Trent South)
Andrew Bridgen (Conservative - North West Leicestershire)
Steve Brine (Conservative - Winchester)
James Brokenshire (Conservative - Old Bexley and Sidcup)
Fiona Bruce (Conservative - Congleton)
Robert Buckland (Conservative - South Swindon)
Alex Burghart (Conservative - Brentwood and Ongar)
Conor Burns (Conservative - Bournemouth West)
Alistair Burt (Conservative - North East Bedfordshire)
Alun Cairns (Conservative - Vale of Glamorgan)
James Cartlidge (Conservative - South Suffolk)
Sir William Cash (Conservative - Stone)
Maria Caulfield (Conservative - Lewes)
Alex Chalk (Conservative - Cheltenham)
Rehman Chishti (Conservative - Gillingham and Rainham)
Mr Christopher Chope (Conservative - Christchurch)
Jo Churchill (Conservative - Bury St Edmunds)
Colin Clark (Conservative - Gordon)
Greg Clark (Conservative - Tunbridge Wells)
Mr Kenneth Clarke (Conservative - Rushcliffe)
Mr Simon Clarke (Conservative - Middlesbrough South and East Cleveland)
James Cleverly (Conservative - Braintree)
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown (Conservative - The Cotswolds)
Dr Thérèse Coffey (Conservative - Suffolk Coastal)
Damian Collins (Conservative - Folkestone and Hythe)
Alberto Costa (Conservative - South Leicestershire)
Robert Courts (Conservative - Witney)
Mr Geoffrey Cox (Conservative - Torridge and West Devon)
Stephen Crabb (Conservative - Preseli Pembrokeshire)
Tracey Crouch (Conservative - Chatham and Aylesford)
Chris Davies (Conservative - Brecon and Radnorshire)
David T. C. Davies (Conservative - Monmouth)
Glyn Davies (Conservative - Montgomeryshire)
Mims Davies (Conservative - Eastleigh)
Philip Davies (Conservative - Shipley)
Mr David Davis (Conservative - Haltemprice and Howden)
Caroline Dinenage (Conservative - Gosport)
Mr Jonathan Djanogly (Conservative - Huntingdon)
Leo Docherty (Conservative - Aldershot)
Julia Dockerill (Conservative - Hornchurch and Upminster)
Michelle Donelan (Conservative - Chippenham)
Ms Nadine Dorries (Conservative - Mid Bedfordshire)
Steve Double (Conservative - St Austell and Newquay)
Oliver Dowden (Conservative - Hertsmere)
Jackie Doyle-Price (Conservative - Thurrock)
Richard Drax (Conservative - South Dorset)
James Duddridge (Conservative - Rochford and Southend East)
David Duguid (Conservative - Banff and Buchan)
Mr Iain Duncan Smith (Conservative - Chingford and Woodford Green)
Sir Alan Duncan (Conservative - Rutland and Melton)
Mr Philip Dunne (Conservative - Ludlow)
Michael Ellis (Conservative - Northampton North)
Mr Tobias Ellwood (Conservative - Bournemouth East)
Charlie Elphicke (Conservative - Dover)
George Eustice (Conservative - Camborne and Redruth)
Mr Nigel Evans (Conservative - Ribble Valley)
David Evennett (Conservative - Bexleyheath and Crayford)
Michael Fabricant (Conservative - Lichfield)
Sir Michael Fallon (Conservative - Sevenoaks)
Suella Fernandes (Conservative - Fareham)
Mark Field (Conservative - Cities of London and Westminster)
Vicky Ford (Conservative - Chelmsford)
Kevin Foster (Conservative - Torbay)
Dr Liam Fox (Conservative - North Somerset)
