Couple of vile old criminals alert. Kirkland's heroes!
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Couple of vile old criminals alert. Kirkland's heroes!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClPnkCzwhhE
"He has to answer"? You couldn't make it up.
Awww that is precious. I wonder how you'll react to Assange's testimony if he says anything contrary to that narrative.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
The Mueller report says quite clearly and in full detail that the various thefts of DNC/Democratic/Clinton campaign electronic documents were carried out by the Russians and then disseminated via Wikileaks and other outlets.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Any statement on former White House Counsel Greg Craig being indicted?
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Originally Posted by walrusIt’s all part of the plan. Assange will but some pieces together. It’s just moving a rook. Have faith miles. Many wanted to kill this man. Trump is saving himQuote:
Originally Posted by GandalfI am much less optimistic than Lyle and apparently as Assange was being dragged out he shouted that the UK should resist and said that the Trump administration was behind it. I maintain that this is something very serious and bad. Trump is not that smart, he hardly has the IQ of an academic or an astrophysicist. He is a businessman and has gone broke more times than you or I have. He is not that special.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
Listen to these clowns as it was announced. The same people that deny democracy in the UK and ignored the UN who said he was being unlawfully detained. The same people who spent millions of pounds incarcerating a man only to storm in when they decided the Emperor had enough. Absolutely gut wrenching sickness permeates every cell of every one of those vile people. A bunch of howling dogs cheering at the arrest of a journalist who revealed crimes. You would expect nothing less.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9EM4FXD7F8
Damn, and we thought Jim Jones was persuasive......
Well let's look at the situation is it POSSIBLE that Assange could be used to bring down Hillary and other bad actors? Absolutely. Likewise it is POSSIBLE that the USA is just nabbing a villain (in the eyes of some especially politicians) and are finally bringing him to justice.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
We will have to wait and see what happens but as far as likely possibilities....with Trump in charge who touted WikiLeaks during his campaign yet due to legal reasons and also to drive a news cycle he'll distance himself, but if Assange can nail HRC and the DNC and torpedo this narrative that "WikiLeaks got info from muh Russians" then I'm thinking Trump will WELCOME his testimony.
But hey we'll wait and see
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Originally Posted by El KabongWell let's look at the situation is it POSSIBLE that Assange could be used to bring down Hillary and other bad actors? Absolutely. Likewise it is POSSIBLE that the USA is just nabbing a villain (in the eyes of some especially politicians) and are finally bringing him to justice.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
We will have to wait and see what happens but as far as likely possibilities....with Trump in charge who touted WikiLeaks during his campaign yet due to legal reasons and also to drive a news cycle he'll distance himself, but if Assange can nail HRC and the DNC and torpedo this narrative that "WikiLeaks got info from muh Russians" then I'm thinking Trump will WELCOME his testimony.
But hey we'll wait and see
Just to be clear... I'm not anti-Assange. Nor would I shed a tear if Hillary had been embroiled up to her neck in Dem primary shenanigans and was thoroughly exposed. My only point is that Trump just feeds the mainstream media narrative of being a liar, and it's a huge mistake IMO. There's other ways to distance yourself from something if you're the President. You don't have to blatantly LIE about it.
The Jim Jones and Kool-Aid comment was not for you, BTW. It's for those who simplistically claim that it's all part of this elaborate Trump "master-plan" and that he's somehow dozens of moves ahead. It's the kind of sheep comment that the extreme left constantly gets accused of.
I get what you're on about with Trump lying, HOWEVER my point is "How do you think the media will respond to that?" I'm thinking it'll be something like bringing up previous clips of him at rallies big upping WikiLeaks and explaining what they have....OR they could just call him a liar flat out. It's no skin off Trump's nose either way. 1 way they do it it exemplifies Trump's narrative which is "WikiLeaks has dirt on Hillary" the other is a disingenuous lie by omission and neither are stories the media want to run with I don't believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
But hey could be he totally forgot....could be he's hiding something....there's endless possibilities.
I know what you're getting at and hell I don't know what the future holds for any of this. I'm just making educated guesses with the information I have access to.
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Originally Posted by El KabongI get what you're on about with Trump lying, HOWEVER my point is "How do you think the media will respond to that?" I'm thinking it'll be something like bringing up previous clips of him at rallies big upping WikiLeaks and explaining what they have....OR they could just call him a liar flat out. It's no skin off Trump's nose either way. 1 way they do it it exemplifies Trump's narrative which is "WikiLeaks has dirt on Hillary" the other is a disingenuous lie by omission and neither are stories the media want to run with I don't believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
But hey could be he totally forgot....could be he's hiding something....there's endless possibilities.
I know what you're getting at and hell I don't know what the future holds for any of this. I'm just making educated guesses with the information I have access to.
A bonus would be to see Hillary smeared in dog feces, as I've always had an intense dislike for that lady.
Ha, "lady" you're too kindQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
I really do hope Hillary gets caught red handed trying to have Assange killed, obviously I'd want Assange safe, but to catch her evil ass in the act would be quite pleasing to me. Too many people with "information on the Clinton's" have wound up dead for it to be a mere coincidence.
She wanted to be handed the Presidency....she rigged her primary and nobody fucking talks about it not even Bernie!!! Which if I had ever been a Bernie fan woooooo boy that fucking sellout bastard. How did he in good faith accept contributions from people working 9-5 jobs living paycheck to paycheck up to their eyeballs in school debt and then he turns around and just takes the primary being ripped away from him right on the chin....who the fuck could do that? But I guess that doesn't matter to Millionaire Socialists with 3 fucking houses :shakehead:
How ANYONE buys the bullshit that bastard is selling is beyond me
Really? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongBack peddles??? Where do you get that? He's saying it DEFINITELY occurred the question remains over if it was predicted or not ergo he's going to have to investigate. Huber and Horowitz and their investigations might have a say about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
The Democrats are calling for Barr to walk his statements back. It's almost like they are disappointed Trump did NOT collude. Odd.
I'm enjoying it.
Now that Assange has been arrested I wonder what happens to him. I hope he testifies in front of Congress and he's kept safe and can lead a normal life after.
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Originally Posted by El KabongImagine my shock when that fat worthless sack of shit Michael Moore said he would pay for part of Assange's bail. There's not enough bullets for those two bastards.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboHe makes Tony Blair look humble.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
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Originally Posted by El KabongYou celebrate what this guy does and why? Because it makes America look bad and to you that is apparently something that vindicates your feelings all along. Well I'm not going to tell you how to feel about America, perhaps my view on politics is a bit too Machiavellian for you, but I live in the real world and shit happens and it's better that it happens to other people in other countries than to America.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Assange doesn't care, he just likes being the center of attention, he has no ties to one place or another, he just wants to wield what little power he has, make his money, and be a cult hero.....I don't see it ending well for him though.
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Originally Posted by El Kabong#1 Let's just say I know of the type of people who would do what Assange does....I do not think highly of them and I am certain that he has nefarious motivesQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
#2 Well first off Michael Moore is what you accuse Fox News of being, he's a liar and he twists and manipulates the truth until it fits his contorted derranged idea of truth. Chomsky is just a fucking nutjob liberal. So yeah I expect you to hold Assange in the same regard as those guys because you buy what they are selling, that's fine that's a personal choice do as you like.
#3 The US could be a lot more savage...compared to many other nations we're tame and I think we do what we do just to survive and protect our citizens and our standing in the world.
#4 There are weapons that can destroy all the human life on earth...we're bound with other countries in what is at times a very shakey peace, I fail to see how releasing secrets which may hurt us but definently won't help us makes the world a better safer place miles...is that impractical? Is that jumping to conclusions? and does releasing secrets knowing and understanding what I have just mentioned seem like something that will help the world become a better place? I'm trying to place my line of logic in your hands miles....I'm saying Assange COULD release cables that endanger not only America but the entire world we're talking nuclear apocalypse. How does he know that what he releases won't cause any friction between the US and China or Russia or North Korea or Iran etc. As World War I taught us, all it takes is for 2 countries to decide to duke it out and then bang it's World War 3 and it will be a doozy
;DQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWell they weren't emails to the girl he allegedly raped, but they were to a 19 year old girl and ....well apparently we've found a guy creepier than Clubber.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I'm man enough to admit I misjudged Assange.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzReally? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongBack peddles??? Where do you get that? He's saying it DEFINITELY occurred the question remains over if it was predicted or not ergo he's going to have to investigate. Huber and Horowitz and their investigations might have a say about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
The Democrats are calling for Barr to walk his statements back. It's almost like they are disappointed Trump did NOT collude. Odd.
I'm enjoying it.
Now that Assange has been arrested I wonder what happens to him. I hope he testifies in front of Congress and he's kept safe and can lead a normal life after.
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Originally Posted by El KabongImagine my shock when that fat worthless sack of shit Michael Moore said he would pay for part of Assange's bail. There's not enough bullets for those two bastards.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboHe makes Tony Blair look humble.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
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Originally Posted by El KabongYou celebrate what this guy does and why? Because it makes America look bad and to you that is apparently something that vindicates your feelings all along. Well I'm not going to tell you how to feel about America, perhaps my view on politics is a bit too Machiavellian for you, but I live in the real world and shit happens and it's better that it happens to other people in other countries than to America.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Assange doesn't care, he just likes being the center of attention, he has no ties to one place or another, he just wants to wield what little power he has, make his money, and be a cult hero.....I don't see it ending well for him though.
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Originally Posted by El Kabong#1 Let's just say I know of the type of people who would do what Assange does....I do not think highly of them and I am certain that he has nefarious motivesQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
#2 Well first off Michael Moore is what you accuse Fox News of being, he's a liar and he twists and manipulates the truth until it fits his contorted derranged idea of truth. Chomsky is just a fucking nutjob liberal. So yeah I expect you to hold Assange in the same regard as those guys because you buy what they are selling, that's fine that's a personal choice do as you like.
#3 The US could be a lot more savage...compared to many other nations we're tame and I think we do what we do just to survive and protect our citizens and our standing in the world.
#4 There are weapons that can destroy all the human life on earth...we're bound with other countries in what is at times a very shakey peace, I fail to see how releasing secrets which may hurt us but definently won't help us makes the world a better safer place miles...is that impractical? Is that jumping to conclusions? and does releasing secrets knowing and understanding what I have just mentioned seem like something that will help the world become a better place? I'm trying to place my line of logic in your hands miles....I'm saying Assange COULD release cables that endanger not only America but the entire world we're talking nuclear apocalypse. How does he know that what he releases won't cause any friction between the US and China or Russia or North Korea or Iran etc. As World War I taught us, all it takes is for 2 countries to decide to duke it out and then bang it's World War 3 and it will be a doozy
;DQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWell they weren't emails to the girl he allegedly raped, but they were to a 19 year old girl and ....well apparently we've found a guy creepier than Clubber.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I hear you don't think we have an issue @Beanz .....I find that very curious
I look forward to the whole "Don't @ me" post. I look forward to him never answering a question asked of him. I look forward to certain Mods being at his beck and call....why not skip the middle man and appoint him Mod already? I look forward to being accused of the most hateful things by him. I look forward to all that typical bullshit he pulls every fucking time he targets a poster happening all over again and then him pulling a "Who me? What Happened?"....never gets old.
And I know for certain that if by some crazy stroke of luck Beanz were banned.....he'd just come back with an alt and FUCKING NOTHING would happen to him because of that. Honestly amazing. Gives one pause about paying any attention at all to the mods, but hey I don't pull that shit, if i get banned I get banned, but I guess not all posters are made equal.
...anyway back on topic.
Interesting that leaders of Sanctuary cities are angered that Trump planned to release illegal immigrants in their cities.....ummm but they are SANCTUARY cities, I thought that's what they wanted, do they NOT want Illegal Immigrants there?
Funny how that works, and people have called Trump "cruel" for proposing this....how the holy fuck is that cruel? They're sanctuary cities and those cities were welcoming to ALL people legal or illegal but I guess if Trump tries to help them fill up their cities it's not good....why is that?
I think part of what upsets me about Assange is the ways the likes of the mainstream media have responded. Wikileaks has revealed so much more truth about power than any of them in recent years. They LIED and started wars! They lie and lie and lie.
Like in the quoted post by some chap called miles, forget about the personality of Assange, it is more about the work and it was absolutely powerful, like that of Snowden too. You hear things like 'China wouldn't let this happen, they would be dead!' So, you want to be like China now just so you can cover up corruption and murder? Splendid! Let us be the mafia. Can you not just not invade countries for the sake of corporations and just be decent? Seemingly not.
Assange is a hero and now I will get onto personality. It takes a special kind of mindset to be willing to put yourself on the line for something you believe in. Most would shy away, but Assange believed the public should know and of course they should. You don't do that lightly. Most would say 'Oh, but I am scared' or in Snowden's case 'The money is good doing what I do. Let's ignore it'.
These are people that have an extra ounce of something, maybe even vanity in Assange's case, but that is speculation. I would call it integrity and the world is better for it.
The response of someone like Clinton that he should be droned is a terrible one. Droned for what? Revealing the covering up of crimes, of massive corruption? People need to be killed because none of you are decent enough to do your jobs life normal human beings? Absolutely vile. That's the ironic thing about it. There are actual murderers and thieves out there and no penalties. Listen to clinton in the video above, but let's be real. Who would you say is a criminal in the true sense of the word and who would you say is an accomplished journalist responsibe for some of the most powerful work of our time? That is Julian Assange's real crime.
If you bet at least $100 I'll give you 10000 to 1 odds that I'm right and you're wrong and the Mueller report proves all the emails were hacked by Russia. And I'll pay the money directly to you. You can make a million dollars by betting a hundred if you really believe the Seth Rich thing. Of course you won't take the bet because you don't have the balls to put your money where your mouth is.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongAwww that is precious. I wonder how you'll react to Assange's testimony if he says anything contrary to that narrative.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingThe Mueller report says quite clearly and in full detail that the various thefts of DNC/Democratic/Clinton campaign electronic documents were carried out by the Russians and then disseminated via Wikileaks and other outlets.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Any statement on former White House Counsel Greg Craig being indicted?
Some GOP and Democratic lobbyists have been charged with not registering as foreign agents while lobbying for them. This guy is one of them.
I understand he's been charged with hacking into a United states top secret database. Or helping somebody do it. There's no protection under the law for that now, is there. It's not like he's simply publishing classified information which is not a crime. The FBI have evidence to show he hacked into something top secret. That's a crime right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/stat...52380864929792Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
It's all just more bullshit Lyle. They've got you yet again.
President Trump last week privately urged Kevin McAleenan, the border enforcement official he was about to name as acting secretary of homeland security, to close the southwestern border to migrants despite having just said publicly that he was delaying a decision on the step for a year, according to three people briefed about the conversation.
It was not clear what Mr. Trump meant by his request or his additional comment to Mr. McAleenan that he would pardon him if he encountered any legal problems as a result of taking the action.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/12/u...mp-border.html
I'm sure you must be outraged at this Lyle as the rule of law is so sacred to you.
That is an allegation and is unproven at this point in time and you are dealing with networks of power that have a history of dishonesty and criminality. Interesting that you take the side of Hilary Clinton, who has a proven track record of utter devastation and criminality. All Assange has really done is embarrass the kinds of people that you appear to have endorsed over the years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingI understand he's been charged with hacking into a United states top secret database. Or helping somebody do it. There's no protection under the law for that now, is there. It's not like he's simply publishing classified information which is not a crime. The FBI have evidence to show he hacked into something top secret. That's a crime right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
If you are asking me whether I think trying to access data that proves government corruption is a crime. Well, I don't believe a government has the right to hide data or operate secretly. Anybody working in a government that is funded by the taxpayer or the buck passed onto the unborn is answerable to the public, so if the data is hidden, then I don't see an issue with it being sought and revealed if it is in the public interest.
It boils down to what government is and why it exists. That has deviated so far from what it should be I would say yes, it could be deemed criminal, but government itself has become somewhat criminal. The Iraq war was a war crime and goes unpunished. It's a bit strange to punish someone that reveals illegality regarding an illegal act.
You can bury a body after killing someone, but it would be a bit strange to criminalize someone who comes snooping around and digs up the body. You probably take drugs which would make you a criminal, but you are not wrong for doing it. It is all a matter of perspective.
People break the law all the time. Oftentimes the law is there to be broken as it exists for reasons that are not in the interests of the public, they are about protecting those in charge and little more.
There are many areas where 'law' has been broken, but morally so. The Pentagon Papers situation was one such example, as were the Snowden leaks. Sure it embarrassed those in power, but then again maybe they shouldn't be doing the things they do. Another example is with abortion which has been illegal here, but subversively done for moral reasons. Doctors have been readily breaking the law....what naughty people! Good people can and do break the law all the time. Technically you could say 'Well, that is illegal'. However, I look at it more from a standpoint of 'Are you doing something for the right reasons and are you hurting anybody else.....besides Clinton's ego?' I struggle to see how anything Assange has done has not been in the public interest. It's a strange ideology that there is the government and it works for only the government and its interests and then there is the populace which is a separate thing to be manipulated, lied to, and controlled by force. You see it all the time in the enforcement of law and the penalties given. The elite do not face penalties when they end up killing a million people either directly or indirectly, but you can end up potentially in prison for playing tricks with your pet dog. You can illegally enter a country and that is just fine, but you speak out against it you can end up facing hate crime legislation. Law is indeed law, but whether it is right or wrong is another question. You see with the fake hate crime chap that law simply does not apply to certain people, so why does it apply to others. It ends up being down to agenda and prejudice and that is no way to apply law.
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Originally Posted by Gandalf
If you want to use the red/blue pill analogy of a postmodern hollwoody blockbuster made by two trannies then you would have to say that is the real red pill speaking. Not to dismiss the Republican bs and buy into the democratic equivalent but to recognize tribalism and swamp filling politicians/business tycoons on both sides for what they are.
"Boy I love reading Wikileaks... A treasure trove"
2017
"I know nothing about Wikileaks it's not my thing" 2019
Doesn't exonorate the Clinton's, that is to miss the point.
90% of the posters here can see that and always have. Didnt need any fake pills fed to them by a fake alternative news source created to line the pockets of other greedy cake eaters to realise it either.
I don't have an issue and it's not having a pop at you either. I don't think you misjudged Assange you just use the law and order argument as a convenience when it fits your agenda.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongI'm man enough to admit I misjudged Assange.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzReally? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongBack peddles??? Where do you get that? He's saying it DEFINITELY occurred the question remains over if it was predicted or not ergo he's going to have to investigate. Huber and Horowitz and their investigations might have a say about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
The Democrats are calling for Barr to walk his statements back. It's almost like they are disappointed Trump did NOT collude. Odd.
I'm enjoying it.
Now that Assange has been arrested I wonder what happens to him. I hope he testifies in front of Congress and he's kept safe and can lead a normal life after.
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Originally Posted by El KabongImagine my shock when that fat worthless sack of shit Michael Moore said he would pay for part of Assange's bail. There's not enough bullets for those two bastards.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboHe makes Tony Blair look humble.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
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Originally Posted by El KabongYou celebrate what this guy does and why? Because it makes America look bad and to you that is apparently something that vindicates your feelings all along. Well I'm not going to tell you how to feel about America, perhaps my view on politics is a bit too Machiavellian for you, but I live in the real world and shit happens and it's better that it happens to other people in other countries than to America.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Assange doesn't care, he just likes being the center of attention, he has no ties to one place or another, he just wants to wield what little power he has, make his money, and be a cult hero.....I don't see it ending well for him though.
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Originally Posted by El Kabong#1 Let's just say I know of the type of people who would do what Assange does....I do not think highly of them and I am certain that he has nefarious motivesQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
#2 Well first off Michael Moore is what you accuse Fox News of being, he's a liar and he twists and manipulates the truth until it fits his contorted derranged idea of truth. Chomsky is just a fucking nutjob liberal. So yeah I expect you to hold Assange in the same regard as those guys because you buy what they are selling, that's fine that's a personal choice do as you like.
#3 The US could be a lot more savage...compared to many other nations we're tame and I think we do what we do just to survive and protect our citizens and our standing in the world.
#4 There are weapons that can destroy all the human life on earth...we're bound with other countries in what is at times a very shakey peace, I fail to see how releasing secrets which may hurt us but definently won't help us makes the world a better safer place miles...is that impractical? Is that jumping to conclusions? and does releasing secrets knowing and understanding what I have just mentioned seem like something that will help the world become a better place? I'm trying to place my line of logic in your hands miles....I'm saying Assange COULD release cables that endanger not only America but the entire world we're talking nuclear apocalypse. How does he know that what he releases won't cause any friction between the US and China or Russia or North Korea or Iran etc. As World War I taught us, all it takes is for 2 countries to decide to duke it out and then bang it's World War 3 and it will be a doozy
;DQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWell they weren't emails to the girl he allegedly raped, but they were to a 19 year old girl and ....well apparently we've found a guy creepier than Clubber.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I hear you don't think we have an issue @Beanz .....I find that very curious
No consistency, you just repeat stuff you read from loons that stroke your ears. It's not debate though.
Its quite possible that while Assanges brave whistle blowing shone a light on dirty secrets he may well have some of his own. Good people do bad things just like bad people do good things.
If you can drop this binary fake adversarial crap of Trump/Right good /Media /lefty bad then there is much common ground to discussed. Or you can just revert to the same old rubbish.
Nice to see you back after your self imposed break. There is a whole forum out there. Fill your boots mate.
I'd make the bet, but you don't have $1 million let alone $1 million to just give away so why should I bother? As tempting as it would be for me to be correct and you to be completely ruined.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingIf you bet at least $100 I'll give you 10000 to 1 odds that I'm right and you're wrong and the Mueller report proves all the emails were hacked by Russia. And I'll pay the money directly to you. You can make a million dollars by betting a hundred if you really believe the Seth Rich thing. Of course you won't take the bet because you don't have the balls to put your money where your mouth is.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongAwww that is precious. I wonder how you'll react to Assange's testimony if he says anything contrary to that narrative.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingThe Mueller report says quite clearly and in full detail that the various thefts of DNC/Democratic/Clinton campaign electronic documents were carried out by the Russians and then disseminated via Wikileaks and other outlets.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Any statement on former White House Counsel Greg Craig being indicted?
Some GOP and Democratic lobbyists have been charged with not registering as foreign agents while lobbying for them. This guy is one of them.
You seem to mistake me for someone who wants to converse with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzI don't have an issue and it's not having a pop at you either. I don't think you misjudged Assange you just use the law and order argument as a convenience when it fits your agenda.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongI'm man enough to admit I misjudged Assange.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzReally? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongBack peddles??? Where do you get that? He's saying it DEFINITELY occurred the question remains over if it was predicted or not ergo he's going to have to investigate. Huber and Horowitz and their investigations might have a say about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
The Democrats are calling for Barr to walk his statements back. It's almost like they are disappointed Trump did NOT collude. Odd.
I'm enjoying it.
Now that Assange has been arrested I wonder what happens to him. I hope he testifies in front of Congress and he's kept safe and can lead a normal life after.
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Originally Posted by El KabongImagine my shock when that fat worthless sack of shit Michael Moore said he would pay for part of Assange's bail. There's not enough bullets for those two bastards.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboHe makes Tony Blair look humble.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
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Originally Posted by El KabongYou celebrate what this guy does and why? Because it makes America look bad and to you that is apparently something that vindicates your feelings all along. Well I'm not going to tell you how to feel about America, perhaps my view on politics is a bit too Machiavellian for you, but I live in the real world and shit happens and it's better that it happens to other people in other countries than to America.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Assange doesn't care, he just likes being the center of attention, he has no ties to one place or another, he just wants to wield what little power he has, make his money, and be a cult hero.....I don't see it ending well for him though.
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Originally Posted by El Kabong#1 Let's just say I know of the type of people who would do what Assange does....I do not think highly of them and I am certain that he has nefarious motivesQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
#2 Well first off Michael Moore is what you accuse Fox News of being, he's a liar and he twists and manipulates the truth until it fits his contorted derranged idea of truth. Chomsky is just a fucking nutjob liberal. So yeah I expect you to hold Assange in the same regard as those guys because you buy what they are selling, that's fine that's a personal choice do as you like.
#3 The US could be a lot more savage...compared to many other nations we're tame and I think we do what we do just to survive and protect our citizens and our standing in the world.
#4 There are weapons that can destroy all the human life on earth...we're bound with other countries in what is at times a very shakey peace, I fail to see how releasing secrets which may hurt us but definently won't help us makes the world a better safer place miles...is that impractical? Is that jumping to conclusions? and does releasing secrets knowing and understanding what I have just mentioned seem like something that will help the world become a better place? I'm trying to place my line of logic in your hands miles....I'm saying Assange COULD release cables that endanger not only America but the entire world we're talking nuclear apocalypse. How does he know that what he releases won't cause any friction between the US and China or Russia or North Korea or Iran etc. As World War I taught us, all it takes is for 2 countries to decide to duke it out and then bang it's World War 3 and it will be a doozy
;DQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWell they weren't emails to the girl he allegedly raped, but they were to a 19 year old girl and ....well apparently we've found a guy creepier than Clubber.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I hear you don't think we have an issue @Beanz .....I find that very curious
No consistency, you just repeat stuff you read from loons that stroke your ears. It's not debate though.
Its quite possible that while Assanges brave whistle blowing shone a light on dirty secrets he may well have some of his own. Good people do bad things just like bad people do good things.
If you can drop this binary fake adversarial crap of Trump/Right good /Media /lefty bad then there is much common ground to discussed. Or you can just revert to the same old rubbish.
Nice to see you back after your self imposed break. There is a whole forum out there. Fill your boots mate.
Lyle is right you must show proof of funds in order to wager. That’s how we do it here, put up or shut up. As a matter of fact let’s just say you won the 100 from Lyle. You would need to show the million before you collect or the whole thing would be a conQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongI'd make the bet, but you don't have $1 million let alone $1 million to just give away so why should I bother? As tempting as it would be for me to be correct and you to be completely ruined.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingIf you bet at least $100 I'll give you 10000 to 1 odds that I'm right and you're wrong and the Mueller report proves all the emails were hacked by Russia. And I'll pay the money directly to you. You can make a million dollars by betting a hundred if you really believe the Seth Rich thing. Of course you won't take the bet because you don't have the balls to put your money where your mouth is.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongAwww that is precious. I wonder how you'll react to Assange's testimony if he says anything contrary to that narrative.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingThe Mueller report says quite clearly and in full detail that the various thefts of DNC/Democratic/Clinton campaign electronic documents were carried out by the Russians and then disseminated via Wikileaks and other outlets.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Any statement on former White House Counsel Greg Craig being indicted?
Some GOP and Democratic lobbyists have been charged with not registering as foreign agents while lobbying for them. This guy is one of them.
Curious that Barr said there's no evidence of collusion in the Mueller report and Mueller never piped up and corrected him....not like the media weren't BEGGING him to do so either.
But yeah $1 million in American dollars or $1 million in gold.... I'd certainly take it in this new bet if you had the money which you don't.
Start thinking of where your $20 of charity donations will go there Mr. Black Lives Matter
It's pretty obvious the Administration has been fully briefed on the reports actual content hence the retreat from initial hoopla of complete and full squeaky clean cloak by Trump. Barr never released Mueller official summaries either and that's for a reason. It just needs to come out and is overdue to be handed over to Congressional intel committee. On a random side and of lesser note..why is Trump posting fake approval poll results after Fox admitted they were in error and made a mistake early in the week. All the talk of fake news but he leaves them up as if accurate.
The poll thing I don’t get myself. As far as the full report whatever does not by law need to be redacted I’m for releasing it. I do find it funny that many of the Dems who were in office when slick Willy was pres. And were saying the Star report should never be released or the same ones clamoring for this mueller report to be released. My how things change, even the republicans want the report released.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Well AG Barr released his report and it was co-signed by Assistant AG Rod Rosenstein, who coincidentally signed one (if not more) of the FISA warrants which were obtained by using bogus intel planted/leaked by the very agents investigating Trump to begin with, so it's not like Rosenstein is a Trump ally or anything. Is he just tagging along hoping he doesn't get in trouble?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
What will it take for the folks who are vehemently anti-Trump to be mollified? I'm guessing many will say "The complete unredacted Mueller report" which that's not going to happen due to the grand jury testimony which is legally protected. Where will the goalposts move to after the Mueller report is released and if nothing is shown OR if clear bias and "fruit of the poisonous tree" tactics are shown what then? Will the folks who backed Mueller and backed Comey (after first calling for his removal then using that removal to call on these investigations into Trump) now back an investigation as to how things went so sideways for these crooked cops? Or is it just a lynch mob after Donald Trump because "Orange Man Bad" and he's broken their feeble little brains?
I really do wonder where this all ends up.... the anti-Trump folks need to chill out a bit their histrionics aren't good for the nation.
He didn't say there's no evidence of collusion. There's endless evidence of collusion. Bear in mind there were over 100 meetings between the Trump people and the Russians. Every one of those meetings should by law have been reported to the FBI. None of them were and all were angrily denied until they were exposed by the press. That alone is enough reason to investigate just what they were up to.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Collusion isn't a crime however. Mueller would have to prove a conspiracy crime and doesn't have enough evidence to be able to prove one beyond a reasonable doubt which is the standard for bringing charges. And Mueller hasn't said a word in public about the entire investigation and never will unless he's subpoenaed. The fact he hasn't said anything doesn't mean anything.
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It is unprovedn at this point in time. However to get the warrant the FBI have had to present evidence to a grand jury to get them to vote to indict and then to a federal judge to get a warrant and then a British judge has to see the evidence in order to sign off on a British warrant. Can you point to any examples of the FBI making up evidence in any previous high profile international case like this?Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfThat is an allegation and is unproven at this point in time and you are dealing with networks of power that have a history of dishonesty and criminality. Interesting that you take the side of Hilary Clinton, who has a proven track record of utter devastation and criminality. All Assange has really done is embarrass the kinds of people that you appear to have endorsed over the years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingI understand he's been charged with hacking into a United states top secret database. Or helping somebody do it. There's no protection under the law for that now, is there. It's not like he's simply publishing classified information which is not a crime. The FBI have evidence to show he hacked into something top secret. That's a crime right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
If you are asking me whether I think trying to access data that proves government corruption is a crime. Well, I don't believe a government has the right to hide data or operate secretly. Anybody working in a government that is funded by the taxpayer or the buck passed onto the unborn is answerable to the public, so if the data is hidden, then I don't see an issue with it being sought and revealed if it is in the public interest.
It boils down to what government is and why it exists. That has deviated so far from what it should be I would say yes, it could be deemed criminal, but government itself has become somewhat criminal. The Iraq war was a war crime and goes unpunished. It's a bit strange to punish someone that reveals illegality regarding an illegal act.
You can bury a body after killing someone, but it would be a bit strange to criminalize someone who comes snooping around and digs up the body. You probably take drugs which would make you a criminal, but you are not wrong for doing it. It is all a matter of perspective.
People break the law all the time. Oftentimes the law is there to be broken as it exists for reasons that are not in the interests of the public, they are about protecting those in charge and little more.
I'm not taking Hillary's side here, I'm just pointing out the feds seem to have the goods on him. Once again Miles we're not talking about exposing crimes or publishing classified information. Assange is being charged with helping to break into a database to steal classified information. That's an outright criminal act no matter how you look at it.
Exactly when has Hillary broken the law?
I'll scrape it together somehow if you can come up with $100 you pathetic fucking bottlejob. Surely you must have enough confidence in all your brilliant research to risk $100?Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongI'd make the bet, but you don't have $1 million let alone $1 million to just give away so why should I bother? As tempting as it would be for me to be correct and you to be completely ruined.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingIf you bet at least $100 I'll give you 10000 to 1 odds that I'm right and you're wrong and the Mueller report proves all the emails were hacked by Russia. And I'll pay the money directly to you. You can make a million dollars by betting a hundred if you really believe the Seth Rich thing. Of course you won't take the bet because you don't have the balls to put your money where your mouth is.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongAwww that is precious. I wonder how you'll react to Assange's testimony if he says anything contrary to that narrative.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingThe Mueller report says quite clearly and in full detail that the various thefts of DNC/Democratic/Clinton campaign electronic documents were carried out by the Russians and then disseminated via Wikileaks and other outlets.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Any statement on former White House Counsel Greg Craig being indicted?
Some GOP and Democratic lobbyists have been charged with not registering as foreign agents while lobbying for them. This guy is one of them.
OK then. And then there's the little issue of is this a different bet than the original bet or part of the same bet?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
I HIGHLY doubt you have access to $1,000 extra just to hand over much less $1,000,000 but if you say so. I mean you wouldn't go betting something you don't have would you? I don't trust you. I trust that I am correct, but I don't trust you at all.
If the FBI can surveil suspected foreign agents pursuant to a lawful warrant signed by a federal judge who has subsequently said it was applied for legally where will it end Lyle?Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWell AG Barr released his report and it was co-signed by Assistant AG Rod Rosenstein, who coincidentally signed one (if not more) of the FISA warrants which were obtained by using bogus intel planted/leaked by the very agents investigating Trump to begin with, so it's not like Rosenstein is a Trump ally or anything. Is he just tagging along hoping he doesn't get in trouble?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
What will it take for the folks who are vehemently anti-Trump to be mollified? I'm guessing many will say "The complete unredacted Mueller report" which that's not going to happen due to the grand jury testimony which is legally protected. Where will the goalposts move to after the Mueller report is released and if nothing is shown OR if clear bias and "fruit of the poisonous tree" tactics are shown what then? Will the folks who backed Mueller and backed Comey (after first calling for his removal then using that removal to call on these investigations into Trump) now back an investigation as to how things went so sideways for these crooked cops? Or is it just a lynch mob after Donald Trump because "Orange Man Bad" and he's broken their feeble little brains?
I really do wonder where this all ends up.... the anti-Trump folks need to chill out a bit their histrionics aren't good for the nation.
It's a slippery slope. You start by investigating a bunch of suspicious people, the next thing you've opened seventeen different investigations into money laundering, tax evasion and so on.
From the Barr summary and I quote: "The Special Counsel's investigation did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia in its efforts to influence the 2016 U.S> Presidential election.As the report states "The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump team conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities" "Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
That report referenced in the Barr summary is the Mueller Report and it's fucking quoted...but hey that comes out Thursday so I guess we'll see then.
Well the FBI has done plenty of shady shit in the past so I wouldn't put it past them doing this. Who is to say England (and others) weren't also in on it? I don't think Britain was all that excited about Donald Trump being elected as he lifted up folks like Nigel Farrage and Brexit and UKIP. I'm not even going to look into the FBI doing this before because even if they weren't scandal plagued before (they were) it wouldn't have an impact on what they can or could do. To not believe that it is even a possibility is very naive....never paid attention to the COINTELPRO have you? You don't know for certain that the FBI infiltrates and uses organizations to stir shit up and keep the people attacking each other. They'll infiltrate a group and what was once a peaceful protest will become violent because their agent provocateurs will escalate things to that end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Hillary has broken the law several times. Cattle futures, Whitewater, hell just by breaking her phones and destroying evidence that James Comey subpoenaed that would see any lesser person given a decade or so in prison. She deleted 33,000 subpoenaed emails, she didn't give up the server to the FBI so they could determine if it had been hacked or who did it.
Excellent. Here's the bet we just made;Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongOK then. And then there's the little issue of is this a different bet than the original bet or part of the same bet?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
I HIGHLY doubt you have access to $1,000 extra just to hand over much less $1,000,000 but if you say so. I mean you wouldn't go betting something you don't have would you? I don't trust you. I trust that I am correct, but I don't trust you at all.
If you bet at least $100 I'll give you 10000 to 1 odds that I'm right and you're wrong and the Mueller report proves all the emails were hacked by Russia. And I'll pay the money directly to you. You can make a million dollars by betting a hundred if you really believe the Seth Rich thing.
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...95#post1516895
Now here's what we do know so far about the Mueller report. Unfortunately for you your extensive research didn't include reading the four page Barr letter that is the only Mueller report information that has actually been released so far. Here are parts of the letter quoted verbatim:
The Special Counsel’s report is divided into two parts. The first describes the results of the Special Counsel’s investigation into Russia’s interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. The report outlines the Russian effort to influence the election and documents crimes committed by persons associated with the Russian government in connection with those efforts.
[...]
The Special Counsel’s investigation determined that there were two main Russian efforts to influence the 2016 election. The first involved attempts by a Russian organization, the Internet Research Agency (IRA), to conduct disinformation and social media operations in the United States designed to sow social discord, eventually with the aim of interfering with the election.
[...]
The second element involved the Russian government’s efforts to conduct computer hacking operations designed to gather and disseminate information to influence the election. The Special Counsel found that Russian government actors successfully hacked into computers and obtained emails from persons associated with the Clinton campaign and Democratic Party organizations, and publicly disseminated those materials through various intermediaries, including WikiLeaks. Based on these activities, the Special Counsel brought criminal charges against a number of Russian military officers for conspiring to hack into computers in the United States for the purposes of influencing the election.
[..]
The report’s second part addresses a number of actions by the President — most of which have been the subject of public reporting — that the Special Counsel investigated as potentially raising obstruction-of-justice concerns..................
https://www.vox.com/2019/3/24/182799...trump-congress
So, the Mueller report documents how it was the Russians who stole all the documents from various Democratic party organisations and people. There's chapter and verse in the report and proof beyond a reasonable doubt as evidenced by the chages Mueller has already brought.
Further putting the kibosh on the Seth Rich nonsense (by the way his family would like all the people still pushing this ridiculous conspiracy theory to stop doing it) is the fact that the people who created the whole conspiracy theory in the first place have admitted:
Russian hackers weren’t the ones behind the theft of Democratic emails that upended the 2016 presidential race, conspiracy theorist Jerome Corsi told his InfoWars fans last year. Instead, Corsi said, Democratic National Committee staffer Seth Rich had stolen the emails and was murdered in revenge for the heist.
But Corsi was lying. In an email to Trump confidante Roger Stone in 2016, Corsi acknowledged that in fact hackers were behind the email theft, according to newly released messages.
Despite that admission, both Corsi and Stone played key roles promoting the conspiracy theory about Rich. Stone became one of the first major figures in Trump’s orbit to suggest Rich was murdered over the emails, tweeting on August 10, 2016 that Rich had “ties to DNC heist.”
In 2017, after Rich’s parents begged right-wing media personalities to stop pushing conspiracy theories about their son, Corsi put the blame for the email theft on Rich in a three-part InfoWars series.
[...]
Corsi’s theory helped fuel conspiracy theorists on the right who claim, without evidence, that Rich was murdered on the orders of Hillary Clinton. But emails from special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into the Trump campaign and Russia show that Corsi knew all along that Russian hackers gave the emails to WikiLeaks.
In an August 2, 2016 email, made public Tuesday in draft court papers prepared by Mueller’s office, Corsi told Stone that “hackers” were behind the WikiLeaks releases.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/roger-...ole-dnc-emails
If your fantastic research had involved just reading the various court filings, or even reading newspaper reports of the court filings, it would have saved you $100. That's a verifiable receipt for $50 to Black Lives Matter and one for $50 to the NAACP please.
Can you point to any times the FBI have trumped up evidence in a high profile international case or anything Hillary has been charged with. Would you like to bet on whether the FBI are making up these charges?Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongFrom the Barr summary and I quote: "The Special Counsel's investigation did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia in its efforts to influence the 2016 U.S> Presidential election.As the report states "The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump team conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities" "Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
That report referenced in the Barr summary is the Mueller Report and it's fucking quoted...but hey that comes out Thursday so I guess we'll see then.
Well the FBI has done plenty of shady shit in the past so I wouldn't put it past them doing this. Who is to say England (and others) weren't also in on it? I don't think Britain was all that excited about Donald Trump being elected as he lifted up folks like Nigel Farrage and Brexit and UKIP. I'm not even going to look into the FBI doing this before because even if they weren't scandal plagued before (they were) it wouldn't have an impact on what they can or could do. To not believe that it is even a possibility is very naive....never paid attention to the COINTELPRO have you? You don't know for certain that the FBI infiltrates and uses organizations to stir shit up and keep the people attacking each other. They'll infiltrate a group and what was once a peaceful protest will become violent because their agent provocateurs will escalate things to that end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Hillary has broken the law several times. Cattle futures, Whitewater, hell just by breaking her phones and destroying evidence that James Comey subpoenaed that would see any lesser person given a decade or so in prison. She deleted 33,000 subpoenaed emails, she didn't give up the server to the FBI so they could determine if it had been hacked or who did it.
The judge WOULD say it was applied for legally and dutifully filed because he/she/they wouldn't be told that the ways in which the FBI agents went about making their case was illegal/disingenuous. The judges were NEVER told the Steele Dossier was a Hillary funded hit piece, the judges were likely NEVER told by the FBI agents that Stzrok and Page (and Steele) had planted stories in the media only to bring them to the judges and say "OMG look at this, we need to investigate"Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
It's plain and simple 'fruit of the poisonous tree' even if the Trump team had broken the law (and they didn't) the evidence these jackasses gathered wouldn't be admissible due to how they went about gathering their "information" most of which was leaked or planted. Stefan Halper who tried to get hired onto the trump campaign is a United States Intelligence asset.....wow quite the coincidence that he ended up with Papadopolous.
Well the FBI TENDS to stick with federal cases and not international as that's left to the CIA (most times) this is a Presidential issue and so it's unique in that regard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
You have more money you'd like to lose? Can you afford it? I mean to this point you'll only lose a cool mil.
Peter Strzok, Lisa Page conspired to leak anti-Trump stories to mainstream media
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-anti-trump-s/
On April 10, 2017, Mr. Strzok text-messaged Lisa Page, his lover and then-FBI counsel, to discuss a “media leak strategy.”
“I had literally just gone to find this phone to tell you I want to talk to you about media leak strategy with DOJ before you go,” Mr. Strzok said.
Two days later, Mr. Strzok congratulated Ms. Page on two derogatory stories that appeared about Carter Page, a former Trump volunteer whom the FBI was wiretapping.
And the gallery awaits Kirkland's witty response to this readily available information ;D