Re: You heard it here first, Mosley will beat Floyd
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See what you're saying, jimboogie, but the flaw in what you're saying might be that while you find Mayweather to seem somewhat predictable because you can recognize that he reuses tools from his arsenal throughout a fight, and from fight to fight ... the fact that you, as an observer, can recognize this is not the same as to say that he telegraphs his intentions to his opponent in the ring in such a way that he can be reliably countered in his game when he does something that he has done before, and will do again.
I'm glad you mentioned this. You make an excellent point but what i'm really trying to highlight in all my points is when I see it as TRUELY the PERFECT times to attack. Not to counter but to attack.
Too many guys have had the complete wrong idea in timing there attacks based on proximity. They should be based on Floyd's movements. One example is that Floyd likes to hop/shuffle into position, once he stops, he's in position and basically your too late. Castillo did well to work off this theory but Floyd's Jab to the body totally eliminated that threat in their rematch. That jab to the body is a great weapon against any fighter who can't take a backward step.
Re: You heard it here first, Mosley will beat Floyd
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Jimboogie
Haha ;D Maybe i'm just too unique to be understood?
And no I have never even come close to lacing up a pair of gloves. Doesn't mean I can't see what is going on.
it's probably going to be a hell of a wait but i'll quite happily put my neck on the line and say that I guarantee, Sig Beat, with/to anyone, that the guy who beats Floyd, beats him doing the exact things I mentioned :cool:
I'm not trying to take the piss, but if you haven't boxed, you almost certainly see things being much easier than they are. It's very easy to be able to 'call' things from a couch, but when a guy is right in front of you doing all the little feints you can't see on TV, with the eyes and the slightest move of their hand, they look much more predictable then they are.
I mean really think about Jim, have you seen all these things that some of the best trainers and fighters of the past 15 years have been unable to spot?
I highly doubt there is anyone on this or any forum who can really come up with a solid method to beat Mayweather. He seems to find a way whatever the tactics. There have been a fair few fighters who've come in with a gameplan to disrupt him but after a few rounds he finds a way to deal with them (read Castillo, Judah, Oscar & Hatton).
Re: You heard it here first, Mosley will beat Floyd
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Lyle
Shane Mosley WILL BEAT Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Shane's smart, he's strong, he has very quick hands, he's not killing himself to make weight, and Floyd can't hurt him.
I think Floyd has been apprehensive about fighting a couple guys at 147 and rightfully so in some cases: Cotto, Williams, Margarito, Shane Mosley, and Pacquiao. Now of course the Floyd fans will say Floyd has little left to prove and those fights didn't make sense etc etc but Floyd's record speaks for itself he never once said "Give me Cotto and I'll beat him" or "Give me Williams and I'll beat him" he simply waited until they lost and said "See, they weren't worthy of a shot vs me" and it doesn't make sense for Floyd not to fight when the money is to his liking. If he was truly "Money Mayweather" he would have fought at least 3 of those guys because you cannot tell me that ANY of those fights wouldn't have made HUGE money at the gate and on PPV.
Stylistically Floyd has very little to offer Shane, the guys who have beaten Shane either use their height and reach (Forrest & Wright) or are durable enough to trade with Shane and get the better of him (Miguel Cotto and to a lesser extent De la Hoya in the rematch was able to hang with him). Floyd has great defense but he isn't as effective until he gets a fighter to tire themself out, vs Judah and Hatton he allowed them to do work early and chase him around the ring while he pot shotted them for at least half the fight knowing especially that Zab would have 0 to offer him later in the fight and that's when Floyd turned it on....Shane doesn't have much in the defense department but he's strong and he's got fast DANGEROUS hands and he's going to beat Floyd.
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Re: You heard it here first, Mosley will beat Floyd
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Lyle
Shane Mosley WILL BEAT Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Shane's smart, he's strong, he has very quick hands, he's not killing himself to make weight, and Floyd can't hurt him.
I think Floyd has been apprehensive about fighting a couple guys at 147 and rightfully so in some cases: Cotto, Williams, Margarito, Shane Mosley, and Pacquiao. Now of course the Floyd fans will say Floyd has little left to prove and those fights didn't make sense etc etc but Floyd's record speaks for itself he never once said "Give me Cotto and I'll beat him" or "Give me Williams and I'll beat him" he simply waited until they lost and said "See, they weren't worthy of a shot vs me" and it doesn't make sense for Floyd not to fight when the money is to his liking. If he was truly "Money Mayweather" he would have fought at least 3 of those guys because you cannot tell me that ANY of those fights wouldn't have made HUGE money at the gate and on PPV.
Stylistically Floyd has very little to offer Shane, the guys who have beaten Shane either use their height and reach (Forrest & Wright) or are durable enough to trade with Shane and get the better of him (Miguel Cotto and to a lesser extent De la Hoya in the rematch was able to hang with him). Floyd has great defense but he isn't as effective until he gets a fighter to tire themself out, vs Judah and Hatton he allowed them to do work early and chase him around the ring while he pot shotted them for at least half the fight knowing especially that Zab would have 0 to offer him later in the fight and that's when Floyd turned it on....Shane doesn't have much in the defense department but he's strong and he's got fast DANGEROUS hands and he's going to beat Floyd.
Great prediction mate, I honestly don't know how you do it.
Thanks to this I sold all of my valuables, sold my house, let my girlfriend go out 'on the game' for a couple of nights and put all of the money on a Mosley win based on your obvious insight.
I'm buzzing to fuck that he won and I am hundreds of thousand pounds richer. ;D
Oh.
Hang on...
Shit.
I'm in DEEP trouble. :eek:
Re: You heard it here first, Mosley will beat Floyd
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In relevance to Floyd. I (as pretty much everyone else) know everything Floyd has to offer... Every little trick in the book has been seen. In theory, it should be easier to formulate AND execute a game plan against Floyd based on what Floyd does fight after fight after fight.
He's style is VERY regimented. (i hope that's the right word to use ??? )
Alas, many fighters have thought the same thing and none have them have been able to do anything about it. You make it sound like the way Floyd fights is simple and just about anybody should be able to break him down.
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I dunno. I don't mean to come across like I have no respect for Floyd as a fighter. I just know him inside out.
It must be just me ???
In his own unique way, he does things very much by 'the book'. Move-by-move... I can, quite literally, call his offensive as it unfolds.
Where he excels is in his reactions. That's his little superhuman trait that makes things so damn unbeatable.
So many fighters have fell in to the trap of getting him on the ropes, or getting close and then firing away with clubbing wide shots... I beg why?
Mosley, I hope, can put the emphasis on getting home with the right punches and not in just trying to beat the fight out of Floyd. That may come as a natural progression given Mosley's speed and power... Who knows..?
And yeah, i said 'i hope' ;D
Dream on FHs. I don't mean that Mosely do not have a chance to beat Floyd. But to analyze this fight on a premise that PBF is not a unique and exceptional talent is ludicrous.
A well trained and in form PBF will beat anyone at 147 and under that is fighting today. Tomorrow, as age takes a toll of his reflexis and skill, that certainy wont be possible. But then it will be time defeating him rather than an opponent.
That is why I like the internet. It allows us to revist the conclusions we formed, to examine them juxtapositioned with actual outcomes, and measure our capacity to analyze abilities based on our experiences. It was said in this thread that PBF style was regimented. This was not a sound analysis based on PBF interaction with Zab Judah, Diego Corrales and Castillo. Juxtapositioning PBF post 2nd round adjustments with that history and the assertion that his style was regimental says a lot about the analyctic ability of the person who made such a claim.:rolleyes:
Re: You heard it here first, Mosley will beat Floyd
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JazMerkin
I highly doubt there is anyone on this or any forum who can really come up with a solid method to beat Mayweather. He seems to find a way whatever the tactics. There have been a fair few fighters who've come in with a gameplan to disrupt him but after a few rounds he finds a way to deal with them (read Castillo, Judah, Oscar & Hatton).
That is where you are wrong.
I have the answer to defeat ANY boxer:
Windmilling
Re: You heard it here first, Mosley will beat Floyd
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In relevance to Floyd. I (as pretty much everyone else) know everything Floyd has to offer... Every little trick in the book has been seen. In theory, it should be easier to formulate AND execute a game plan against Floyd based on what Floyd does fight after fight after fight.
He's style is VERY regimented. (i hope that's the right word to use ??? )
Alas, many fighters have thought the same thing and none have them have been able to do anything about it. You make it sound like the way Floyd fights is simple and just about anybody should be able to break him down.
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I dunno. I don't mean to come across like I have no respect for Floyd as a fighter. I just know him inside out.
It must be just me ???
In his own unique way, he does things very much by 'the book'. Move-by-move... I can, quite literally, call his offensive as it unfolds.
Where he excels is in his reactions. That's his little superhuman trait that makes things so damn unbeatable.
So many fighters have fell in to the trap of getting him on the ropes, or getting close and then firing away with clubbing wide shots... I beg why?
Mosley, I hope, can put the emphasis on getting home with the right punches and not in just trying to beat the fight out of Floyd. That may come as a natural progression given Mosley's speed and power... Who knows..?
And yeah, i said 'i hope' ;D
Dream on FHs. I don't mean that Mosely do not have a chance to beat Floyd. But to analyze this fight on a premise that PBF is not a unique and exceptional talent is ludicrous.
A well trained and in form PBF will beat anyone at 147 and under that is fighting today. Tomorrow, as age takes a toll of his reflexis and skill, that certainy wont be possible. But then it will be time defeating him rather than an opponent.
That is why I like the internet. It allows us to revist the conclusions we formed, to examine them juxtapositioned with actual outcomes, and measure our capacity to analyze abilities based on our experiences. It was said in this thread that PBF style was regimented. This was not a sound analysis based on PBF interaction with Zab Judah, Diego Corrales and Castillo. Juxtapositioning PBF post 2nd round adjustments with that history and the assertion that his style was regimental says a lot about the analyctic ability of the person who made such a claim.:rolleyes:
Big fukin deal, we all get stuff wrong on occasions.
What bothers me worse is people who like to rub stuff in to try to make themselves appear better than others.When in fact we all know the truth about people who try to rise up in the eyes of a group at another persons expense,whoever they are (right or wrong).
Re: You heard it here first, Mosley will beat Floyd
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Jimboogie
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JJson
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I just know him inside out.
It must be just me ???
In his own unique way, he does things very much by 'the book'. Move-by-move... I can, quite literally, call his offensive as it unfolds
Read my post properly. I never once said 'that PBF is not a unique and exceptional talent'.
The comment that you know PBF inside out suggest that he is quite ordinary, or you are quite unique. Unique implies one of a kind. How the hell can he be one of a kind when YOU can literally CALL his offensive as it unfolds. Are you then unique also? :rolleyes:
Further, there is something very oxymoronic about a unique fighter doing everything by the book. If he did everything by the book it would be easy to formulate a plan to beat him. Floyd Mayweather adapts his strategy in the ring according to what his opponent brings to the table.
I am unique, i am special :p
By his own, unique book Jason, by his own, unique book. Is it really that hard to understand?
And when did I use the term ordinary?! :D
Seriously though. I DO find Floyd Mayweather to be somewhat readable in offence. I totally accept that he is a great strategist in the sense that his plan of combat is always the correct in relation to the man in front of him one and that his dedication to his gameplan is absolutely unwavering. He is defensively astonishing and his reflexes are superhuman.
Have I just dug my self a great big whole..? ;D It would seem so!!
But the truth is I respect Floyd very much as a fighter.
One thing I can elaborate on ( :-\ ) is the side of Floyd that I find predictable or maybe regimented or readable or even maneuverable (Damn I wish I could find a better word!!) is that these days, about 90% of his offensive arsenal, that thing that
keeps him from having to be defensive,
he postures quite obviously (to me anyway) and indicatively.
His transition is so silky that it actually has the potential to work against him. You can see, without a punch being thrown, when he is on the defensive and when he is on attack. Why his opponents stand still like a deer in the headlights when Floyd postures to attack and why they then insist on trying to land when he goes into a shell is beyond me.
Step in when he postures, step off when he goes into a shell. Keep your shots straight, especially when he is against the ropes. Utilize an in-and-out movement.
Floyd is happy to put pressure on his opponents and essentially over ride this dynamic whenever an opponent show signs or has the potential of getting it right but that has to be made to work against him.
I can't read him play by play, but there might be some truth to what you said about him being offensive and defensive i.e he has two stances - philly shell and more square on with both hands up, almost peekaboo. When in philly shell he's looking to counter punch with the right hand, and he'll also hit you with a left hook off a jab feint. When both hands are up and he is more square, he's looking to lead. Either way, he's doing the smart thing.
Your right though, attacking him when he's in philly shell mode seems a sucker move, and throwing a right hand at his shoulder roll is suicide.
Re: You heard it here first, Mosley will beat Floyd
Mosely tried i'll give him that. I've always thought i knew a way to beat mayweather but i've seen people try some of my ideas and they didn't work either. He's just so good at adjusting to whatever his opponet brings. There were tons that thought mosley could do it. I still belive any man can be beat it would be interesting to see how someone would do it.
Re: You heard it here first, Mosley will beat Floyd
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Mosely tried i'll give him that. I've always thought i knew a way to beat mayweather but i've seen people try some of my ideas and they didn't work either. He's just so good at adjusting to whatever his opponet brings. There were tons that thought mosley could do it. I still belive any man can be beat it would be interesting to see how someone would do it.
I think that is why its hard to beat Mayweather. Because people have a style that they watch him against other people and go "He makes these mistakes, this mistake etc" But the thing about Mayweather's style is, he doesn't fight one way, he fights depending on what his opponent is bringing and what their gameplan is. He takes their gameplan and turns it on it's side, and thats why people don't know what to do because they didn't prepare for that. Mayweather's style alters depending on who he is fighting and what he is doing. So the way to find a formula would be having to prepare for what you are going to do in the ring against him depending on what he gives you and then preparing for what he will do to shut down what you are doing to him. But these are things you don't find out till fight night and by then it's too late. Hence why there is no real "formula".
Re: You heard it here first, Mosley will beat Floyd
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Andre
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JJson
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JJson
Dream on FHs. I don't mean that Mosely do not have a chance to beat Floyd. But to analyze this fight on a premise that PBF is not a unique and exceptional talent is ludicrous.
A well trained and in form PBF will beat anyone at 147 and under that is fighting today. Tomorrow, as age takes a toll of his reflexis and skill, that certainy wont be possible. But then it will be time defeating him rather than an opponent.
That is why I like the internet. It allows us to revist the conclusions we formed, to examine them juxtapositioned with actual outcomes, and measure our capacity to analyze abilities based on our experiences. It was said in this thread that PBF style was regimented. This was not a sound analysis based on PBF interaction with Zab Judah, Diego Corrales and Castillo. Juxtapositioning PBF post 2nd round adjustments with that history and the assertion that his style was regimental says a lot about the analyctic ability of the person who made such a claim.:rolleyes:
Big fukin deal, we all get stuff wrong on occasions.
What bothers me worse is people who like to rub stuff in to try to make themselves appear better than others.When in fact we all know the truth about people who try to rise up in the eyes of a group at another persons expense,whoever they are (right or wrong).
Exactly. This forum would fucking suck if people stopped giving their reasonable predictions about how they think a fight will play out. There's no need to jump all over some one or to rub their prediction in their face just because they were wrong.
Re: You heard it here first, Mosley will beat Floyd
lol at the title of this thread in hindsight, its okay i have made my crazy predictions many times
Re: You heard it here first, Mosley will beat Floyd
naz rich is the original man
Re: You heard it here first, Mosley will beat Floyd
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Lyle
Shane Mosley WILL BEAT Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Shane's smart, he's strong, he has very quick hands, he's not killing himself to make weight, and Floyd can't hurt him.
I think Floyd has been apprehensive about fighting a couple guys at 147 and rightfully so in some cases: Cotto, Williams, Margarito, Shane Mosley, and Pacquiao. Now of course the Floyd fans will say Floyd has little left to prove and those fights didn't make sense etc etc but Floyd's record speaks for itself he never once said "Give me Cotto and I'll beat him" or "Give me Williams and I'll beat him" he simply waited until they lost and said "See, they weren't worthy of a shot vs me" and it doesn't make sense for Floyd not to fight when the money is to his liking. If he was truly "Money Mayweather" he would have fought at least 3 of those guys because you cannot tell me that ANY of those fights wouldn't have made HUGE money at the gate and on PPV.
Stylistically Floyd has very little to offer Shane, the guys who have beaten Shane either use their height and reach (Forrest & Wright) or are durable enough to trade with Shane and get the better of him (Miguel Cotto and to a lesser extent De la Hoya in the rematch was able to hang with him). Floyd has great defense but he isn't as effective until he gets a fighter to tire themself out, vs Judah and Hatton he allowed them to do work early and chase him around the ring while he pot shotted them for at least half the fight knowing especially that Zab would have 0 to offer him later in the fight and that's when Floyd turned it on....Shane doesn't have much in the defense department but he's strong and he's got fast DANGEROUS hands and he's going to beat Floyd.
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Re: You heard it here first, Mosley will beat Floyd
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Lyle
Shane Mosley WILL BEAT Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Shane's smart, he's strong, he has very quick hands, he's not killing himself to make weight, and Floyd can't hurt him.
I think Floyd has been apprehensive about fighting a couple guys at 147 and rightfully so in some cases: Cotto, Williams, Margarito, Shane Mosley, and Pacquiao. Now of course the Floyd fans will say Floyd has little left to prove and those fights didn't make sense etc etc but Floyd's record speaks for itself he never once said "Give me Cotto and I'll beat him" or "Give me Williams and I'll beat him" he simply waited until they lost and said "See, they weren't worthy of a shot vs me" and it doesn't make sense for Floyd not to fight when the money is to his liking. If he was truly "Money Mayweather" he would have fought at least 3 of those guys because you cannot tell me that ANY of those fights wouldn't have made HUGE money at the gate and on PPV.
Stylistically Floyd has very little to offer Shane, the guys who have beaten Shane either use their height and reach (Forrest & Wright) or are durable enough to trade with Shane and get the better of him (Miguel Cotto and to a lesser extent De la Hoya in the rematch was able to hang with him). Floyd has great defense but he isn't as effective until he gets a fighter to tire themself out, vs Judah and Hatton he allowed them to do work early and chase him around the ring while he pot shotted them for at least half the fight knowing especially that Zab would have 0 to offer him later in the fight and that's when Floyd turned it on....Shane doesn't have much in the defense department but he's strong and he's got fast DANGEROUS hands and he's going to beat Floyd.
Your silence is deafening. all the guys saying Shane is too big, too strong. What say you ? You too Dark Lord Al
