Re: Mayweather Seeks Delay of Pacquiao Deposition
This whole situation will never end. The key question for EVERYBODY should be are boxing drug tests atisfactory? The answer to that imo is no, because the people who create these drugs will always be at least one step ahead of the testers.
The only question after that is are the current tests up to standard with the rest of world sport governing bodies. Unfortunately whether they are or not can't confirm one way or another whether someone is using performance enhacing drugs. Pac is as incapable of proving anything legitimately as floyd is.
I dont think Pac is taking anything, but I think he is perfectually natural around the weight he's fighting at so the results he has obtained aren't that suprising.
I am in no way a Pacman fan but the fact that people claim he fights over the hill shot fighters, in house fighters, fixed fights and fights with peds at the same time is all a little too much. One or two of the above is satisfactory ;D
Re: Mayweather Seeks Delay of Pacquiao Deposition
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I'm pretty sure in a defamation suit involving a public figure, like here, Pacquiao will have to show damages in order to win. I don't see how he does that here.
Does buttloads of tv reports and news articles counts as evidence?
I was wrong. Pacquiao just needs to prove that damage was done to his reputation in boxing. That'll be easy. Disregard my last statement.
If Floyd defamed Pacquiao, there is nothing wrong with Pacquiao bringing suit. Clearly, Floyd has maligned Pacquiao with his steroid accusations. Pacquiao will need to prove that Floyd's statements caused injury to his reputation, that the statements were false, Pacquiao is not on steroids (or wasn't on them when Floyd defamed him) and that Floyd acted with reckless disregard to the truth or falsity.
In my humble opinion, Pacquiao has a pretty good case of defamation. The statements are damaging to his reputation. Prior to Floyd's accusations, no one even considered whether Pacquiao was on steroids. Now, many people completely write him off. Pacquiao can show the statements are false with sufficient certainty by showing that he has never failed a drug test. He can also submit to the court a drug test on the spot and pass that test. Pacquiao then needs to show that Floyd acted with reckless disregard. Again, there is no way Floyd had any reason to believe that Pacquiao was on steroids other than he was successful rising in weight in boxing, which isn't uncommon. Floyd would need to show that Pacquiao has failed drug tests or have witnesses with firsthand knowledge testifying that Pacquiao took steroids.
Is it inconsistent to critique Pacquiao's recent victories as smoke and mirrors because of the alleged lack of quality opponents and at the same time accuse of Pacquiao of only being able to beat those same subpar opponents because of steroids?
I would like to share a news report from USA Today by Laura Parker posted on 10/11/2006 that could be an interest to people that follows the Pacquiao Vs Mayweather Defamation suit.
To quote from USA, Today:
A Florida woman has been awarded $11.3 million in a defamation lawsuit against a Louisiana woman who posted messages on the Internet accusing her of being a "crook," a "con artist" and a "fraud."
In 2003, Scheff sued Bock for defamation. Bock hired a lawyer, but he left the case when she no longer could afford to pay him. When Katrina hit in August 2005, Bock's house was flooded and she moved temporarily to Texas before returning to Louisiana last June. Court papers that Scheff and her attorney David H. Pollack mailed to Bock were returned to Pollack's office in Miami.
After Bock didn't offer a defense, a Broward Circuit Court judge found in favor of Scheff. A jury then heard Scheff's arguments about damages. Pollack did not seek a specific amount for the harm he says Scheff's business suffered.
"Even with no opposing counsel and no defendant there, $11 million is a huge amount," says Pollack, adding that Scheff is considering whether to try to collect any money from Bock. "The jury determined this was a significant enough issue. It's not just somebody's feelings are hurt; it's somebody's reputation is ruined."
Legal analysts say the Sept. 19 award by a jury in Broward County, Fla. — first reported Friday by the Daily Business Review — represents the largest such judgment over postings on an Internet blog or message board. Lyrissa Lidsky, a University of Florida law professor who specializes in free-speech issues, calls the award "astonishing."
LinK: USATODAY.com - Jury awards $11.3M over defamatory Internet posts
In my opinion, it seems mainstream America (the jury in this case ), does not see eye to eye with the Mayweathers version of "free speech", calling a person a "fraud" and "a cheat" without any proof ( after Bock didn't offer a defense).
I do not know if there was an appeal to Court's decision.
Re: Mayweather Seeks Delay of Pacquiao Deposition
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miles
So you are the poster with the same exact style that you have. Fair enough.
A little honesty is all I was looking for. You can call me an idiot, but I have never been banned from here before.
You can't contradict my comments so you resort to accusing me of being a previous poster. I am not, have never been banned here and you're still an idiot.
I repeat my quote again:
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You think that maybe if you accuse me frequently enough, everyone will believe you.
Re: Mayweather Seeks Delay of Pacquiao Deposition
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miles
Exactly, just strange dry retorts and insults. Nice statement coming from someone who started the insults.
Funny how I have never been banned before and yet Neutralasshole has. And yet they keep on coming back, I have no idea what they are trying to prove with this desire to be a slave to Manny Pac. You continue to make accusations and you can't prove it. No wonder you agree with Floyd.
You pathetic excuse of a human being, explain why only you and hornfinger find Mayweathers behavior as acceptable.
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miles
Exactly, just strange dry retorts and insults.
Funny how I have never been banned before and yet Neutralasshole has. And yet they keep on coming back, I have no idea what they are trying to prove with this desire to be a slave to Manny Pac.
I'd rather be banned than be like a little bitch and make a "Goodbye" thread.
;)
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Re: Mayweather Seeks Delay of Pacquiao Deposition
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The problem with you is you can't give a direct answer. You just provide run around bullshit.
I ask you a proof. You come back with nothing.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA :lol: :lol: :lol: :lolhaha:
I get to use the quotes again!!!!!
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Hornfinger
Yes lets only blood test athletes when we already have proof of them juicing. My God that is FUCKING genius that is. That is the cleverest idea ever! You know that's such an intelligent thing to say I'm sure the people over at MENSA will be beating down your door to get you on board. I mean shit. Let's bring that in at the olympics, the only athletes that will be tested will be the ones that we already have proof of using steroids. It's a good job Einstein is dead cuz he'd be shitting himself right now with boffins like you around. The brains at NASA pale in comparison to your superior logic.......
The very same quote you have NO FUCKING ANSWER WHATSOEVER TO!!!
AS I've said in the past, asking to prove a guy that won't take a test guilty, is THE MOST RETARDED STUPID REDICULOUS MORONIC TWATISH DICKHEADED arguement going.
Pacquiao already agreed to the test. I don't know what still is the problem.
Re: Mayweather Seeks Delay of Pacquiao Deposition
Xaduboxer has been outed so resorts to crude insults. Haha, stick with the agenda, it's good to have a life misison like Christianity or hanging off of the testicles of a cat fish wannabe.
Re: Mayweather Seeks Delay of Pacquiao Deposition
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foxbat1126
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Rantcatrat
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Rantcatrat
I'm pretty sure in a defamation suit involving a public figure, like here, Pacquiao will have to show damages in order to win. I don't see how he does that here.
Does buttloads of tv reports and news articles counts as evidence?
I was wrong. Pacquiao just needs to prove that damage was done to his reputation in boxing. That'll be easy. Disregard my last statement.
If Floyd defamed Pacquiao, there is nothing wrong with Pacquiao bringing suit. Clearly, Floyd has maligned Pacquiao with his steroid accusations. Pacquiao will need to prove that Floyd's statements caused injury to his reputation, that the statements were false, Pacquiao is not on steroids (or wasn't on them when Floyd defamed him) and that Floyd acted with reckless disregard to the truth or falsity.
In my humble opinion, Pacquiao has a pretty good case of defamation. The statements are damaging to his reputation. Prior to Floyd's accusations, no one even considered whether Pacquiao was on steroids. Now, many people completely write him off. Pacquiao can show the statements are false with sufficient certainty by showing that he has never failed a drug test. He can also submit to the court a drug test on the spot and pass that test. Pacquiao then needs to show that Floyd acted with reckless disregard. Again, there is no way Floyd had any reason to believe that Pacquiao was on steroids other than he was successful rising in weight in boxing, which isn't uncommon. Floyd would need to show that Pacquiao has failed drug tests or have witnesses with firsthand knowledge testifying that Pacquiao took steroids.
Is it inconsistent to critique Pacquiao's recent victories as smoke and mirrors because of the alleged lack of quality opponents and at the same time accuse of Pacquiao of only being able to beat those same subpar opponents because of steroids?
I would like to share a news report from USA Today by Laura Parker posted on 10/11/2006 that could be an interest to people that follows the Pacquiao Vs Mayweather Defamation suit.
To quote from USA, Today:
A Florida woman has been awarded $11.3 million in a defamation lawsuit against a Louisiana woman who posted messages on the Internet accusing her of being a "crook," a "con artist" and a "fraud."
In 2003, Scheff sued Bock for defamation. Bock hired a lawyer, but he left the case when she no longer could afford to pay him. When Katrina hit in August 2005, Bock's house was flooded and she moved temporarily to Texas before returning to Louisiana last June. Court papers that Scheff and her attorney David H. Pollack mailed to Bock were returned to Pollack's office in Miami.
After Bock didn't offer a defense, a Broward Circuit Court judge found in favor of Scheff. A jury then heard Scheff's arguments about damages. Pollack did not seek a specific amount for the harm he says Scheff's business suffered.
"Even with no opposing counsel and no defendant there, $11 million is a huge amount," says Pollack, adding that Scheff is considering whether to try to collect any money from Bock. "The jury determined this was a significant enough issue. It's not just somebody's feelings are hurt; it's somebody's reputation is ruined."
Legal analysts say the Sept. 19 award by a jury in Broward County, Fla. — first reported Friday by the Daily Business Review — represents the largest such judgment over postings on an Internet blog or message board. Lyrissa Lidsky, a University of Florida law professor who specializes in free-speech issues, calls the award "astonishing."
LinK: USATODAY.com - Jury awards $11.3M over defamatory Internet posts
In my opinion, it seems mainstream America (the jury in this case ), does not see eye to eye with the Mayweathers version of "free speech", calling a person a "fraud" and "a cheat" without any proof ( after Bock didn't offer a defense).
I do not know if there was an appeal to Court's decision.
The Florida courts are known for being corrupt, just google it. Point being you can't use a case from that state as an example. Another issue is that Pacquaio's status as a congressman and celebrity puts him in a different category than a small business. And yet a issue is that Pacquiao's case is a Federal case not a State case.
Re: Mayweather Seeks Delay of Pacquiao Deposition
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InTheNeutralCorner
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Hornfinger
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The problem with you is you can't give a direct answer. You just provide run around bullshit.
I ask you a proof. You come back with nothing.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA :lol: :lol: :lol: :lolhaha:
I get to use the quotes again!!!!!
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
Yes lets only blood test athletes when we already have proof of them juicing. My God that is FUCKING genius that is. That is the cleverest idea ever! You know that's such an intelligent thing to say I'm sure the people over at MENSA will be beating down your door to get you on board. I mean shit. Let's bring that in at the olympics, the only athletes that will be tested will be the ones that we already have proof of using steroids. It's a good job Einstein is dead cuz he'd be shitting himself right now with boffins like you around. The brains at NASA pale in comparison to your superior logic.......
The very same quote you have NO FUCKING ANSWER WHATSOEVER TO!!!
AS I've said in the past, asking to prove a guy that won't take a test guilty, is THE MOST RETARDED STUPID REDICULOUS MORONIC TWATISH DICKHEADED arguement going.
Pacquiao already agreed to the test. I don't know what still is the problem.
He's had two or three fights since he 'agreed' to the tests, he's still not taken them despite having the oppotunity of two or three fights to do so.
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InTheNeutralCorner
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miles
Exactly, just strange dry retorts and insults. Nice statement coming from someone who started the insults.
Funny how I have never been banned before and yet Neutralasshole has. And yet they keep on coming back, I have no idea what they are trying to prove with this desire to be a slave to Manny Pac. You continue to make accusations and you can't prove it. No wonder you agree with Floyd.
You pathetic excuse of a human being, explain why only you and hornfinger find Mayweathers behavior as acceptable.
Because we're the only two non pactards posting on this thread dickhead.
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Hornfinger
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InTheNeutralCorner
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miles
Exactly, just strange dry retorts and insults. Nice statement coming from someone who started the insults.
Funny how I have never been banned before and yet Neutralasshole has. And yet they keep on coming back, I have no idea what they are trying to prove with this desire to be a slave to Manny Pac. You continue to make accusations and you can't prove it. No wonder you agree with Floyd.
You pathetic excuse of a human being, explain why only you and hornfinger find Mayweathers behavior as acceptable.
Because we're the only two non pactards posting on this thread dickhead.
Point well made.
I can't believe any boxing fan agrees with a boxer suing another boxer over some comments. Pac refused a drugs test. That refusal was an automatic red flag.
And he wants to use the law to keep Mayweather quiet? Please. :rolleyes:
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Surely Pacroid is going to have prove in a court of law that he is clean to show that mayweathers 'acusations' are wrong.....
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miles
Xaduboxer has been outed so resorts to crude insults. Haha, stick with the agenda, it's good to have a life misison like Christianity or hanging off of the testicles of a cat fish wannabe.
You started the insult in post #80. Now, maybe you can show where I started calling you names.
I can be civil if the person I'm dealing with is civilized.
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Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
InTheNeutralCorner
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
:::PSL:::
The problem with you is you can't give a direct answer. You just provide run around bullshit.
I ask you a proof. You come back with nothing.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA :lol: :lol: :lol: :lolhaha:
I get to use the quotes again!!!!!
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
Yes lets only blood test athletes when we already have proof of them juicing. My God that is FUCKING genius that is. That is the cleverest idea ever! You know that's such an intelligent thing to say I'm sure the people over at MENSA will be beating down your door to get you on board. I mean shit. Let's bring that in at the olympics, the only athletes that will be tested will be the ones that we already have proof of using steroids. It's a good job Einstein is dead cuz he'd be shitting himself right now with boffins like you around. The brains at NASA pale in comparison to your superior logic.......
The very same quote you have NO FUCKING ANSWER WHATSOEVER TO!!!
AS I've said in the past, asking to prove a guy that won't take a test guilty, is THE MOST RETARDED STUPID REDICULOUS MORONIC TWATISH DICKHEADED arguement going.
Pacquiao already agreed to the test. I don't know what still is the problem.
He's had two or three fights since he 'agreed' to the tests, he's still not taken them despite having the oppotunity of two or three fights to do so.
Pacquio agreed to those drug test in his fight with Mayweather. He does not have to have those same drug test in his other fights since those are not the requirements. If he wants to clean up the sports, that's very excellent. If not, then why would he be criticized for it? It is not his job to clean up the sport. That's up to the commission.
See, if there are no insults I don't respond with insults.
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miles
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Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
InTheNeutralCorner
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Originally Posted by
miles
Exactly, just strange dry retorts and insults. Nice statement coming from someone who started the insults.
Funny how I have never been banned before and yet Neutralasshole has. And yet they keep on coming back, I have no idea what they are trying to prove with this desire to be a slave to Manny Pac. You continue to make accusations and you can't prove it. No wonder you agree with Floyd.
You pathetic excuse of a human being,
explain why only you and hornfinger find Mayweathers behavior as acceptable.
Because we're the only two non pactards posting on this thread dickhead.
Point well made.
I can't believe any boxing fan agrees with a boxer suing another boxer over some comments. Pac refused a drugs test. That refusal was an automatic red flag.
And he wants to use the law to keep Mayweather quiet? Please. :rolleyes:
I am not pertaining to the suing in that statement. I am referring to you and hornfinger being the only two who find it acceptable for Floyd to miss the court date. So, does this mean that all the other posters who critized Floyd for that are pactards?
And you certified idiot hornfinger is using insults again. ;D So don't accuse me of starting it.
