Is that the same McCall who it was common knowledge he gave Tyson living Hell in sparring and was said to have dropped pre Douglas Mike Tyson ???
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Is that the same McCall who it was common knowledge he gave Tyson living Hell in sparring and was said to have dropped pre Douglas Mike Tyson ???
They never dropped each other to my knowledge. Tyson was dropped by Greg Page in prep for Douglas but that's about it. But even Trevor Berbick was giving Mike problems then, who was clearly not prepared at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
They did have some tough battles in sparring but unlike Tyson, Lewis was KTFO when it mattered and was rolling around the canvas like an intoxicated mutt.
And please show me proof of McCall EVER being a 1 punch KO artist. Even he was shocked at how pathetic Lewis's punch resistance was and how easy it was to KO him. McCall was never known as a huge puncher, that is revisionist history from Lewis fans. Nor was he an amazing KO artist ... his KO% is just 53%.
Holmes was great because he had longevity and many defences of the title. Holmes had a great chin and got up from being hit by some of the biggest hitters in history. Holmes had the best jab ever. The only reason Holmes did not unify was because King held the other titles. Lets not downgrade Holmes just to defend Tyson. Holmes gave Holyfield a run for his money and beat an undefeated Mercer when he was very old.Quote:
Originally Posted by TysonBombAli is "great" because he beat Frazier who was "great" because he beat Ali.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
This BS about fighting "great" fighters is overstated. Who the hell did Holmes beat to be considered "great"? Why is Holyfield "great"? Because he has a 26-10 record as a heavyweight? A JOURNEYMAN record?? If his best win is against Tyson, who is a bum, then why is he great?
Post prison Tyson "losing" to Holyfield and to Lewis when he was a walking zombie doesn't mean anything. Tyson beat Michael Spinks, the greatest LHW ever ... he also beat Holmes, who is supposed to be "great" according to you.
Yeah I will concede that he didn't fight in a particular special era but he beat everyone there and made a resurgence after he lost. You can't blame Tyson for things he didn't have control over. Holmes ruled over an even weaker division yet he doesn't get this kind of criticism. Holmes couldn't even become undisputed heavyweight champion in the piss poor era he fought in and made a career out of crushing CANS and a sick, Parkinson's riddled Ali. The first elite fighter he fought, in Mike Tyson, he got KTFO. His biggest win to that point was an old Ken Norton or Gerry Cooney.
If Tyson fought nothing but bums then why does Lewis have those same names on his resume? He fought even weaker versions of those bums. Holyfield couldn't even win his series with John Ruiz and lost 2 out of 3 to Riddick Bowe.
Let us put things in perspective here ... Tyson wasn't being cracked by every punch that landed on his jaw nor was he petrified of anything going near his chin like Wlad.
Tyson had a 3 year prime and done nothing after,apart from taking a few beatings,
He is also a pretty shit human being
True but those 3 years were amazing and he has turned out to be an ok guy. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by roberto duran legend
The only person I can think of that had a shorter prime is Riddick Bowe, maybe Floyd PattersonQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterTrue but those 3 years were amazing and he has turned out to be an ok guy. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by roberto duran legend
You can stretch you prime with very selective fights to last many years such as Dempsey did.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongThe only person I can think of that had a shorter prime is Riddick Bowe, maybe Floyd PattersonQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterTrue but those 3 years were amazing and he has turned out to be an ok guy. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by roberto duran legend
Yea but Tyson kinda lacked in coming back from a lose most greats do he never avenged his first lose which he could of. Also he kinda never dug deep to win the big fights after words. Most atg come back and and win Holyfield, Lewis, Forman, Holmes and Ali all did it which makes me mark down Tyson a tad. He did run through in those few years but the lose to Douglas which never should of happened and his lack of comeback kinda marks him down. Plus besides Holmes because Spinks best win besides a gift was Cooney for fucksake, He lost the others to Holyfeild and Lewis.
Tyson did win the title after he came out of jail. To illustrate Tyson's heart watch the Rudduck fight, he had to dig deep there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
I think the Ruddock & Bruno fights were Mike at his best vs very tough, determined fighters. Had those guys had better chins or better defense they might have been able to beat Tyson. Sure Tyson's "Prime" was vs Spinks, but shit Spinks laid down, he didn't want any part of Tyson.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
People here don't understand what "prime" means.
Every fighter has a different prime. Tyson had a 4 year prime from 86-89. During his prime he was more prolific than any heavyweight. He wasn't KTFO by B level fighters twice like Lewis in his prime.
Even Lewis acknowledged that Tyson was done by the time he fought him and you morons still hold it against him. Are we going to hold it against Joe Louis to get knocked right out of the ring against Marciano? Or for Ali to become nothing but a mere punching bag against Holmes? That fight was a farce and Tyson was still the only reason why it was big ... Lewis had the drawing power of a fly. Mike didn't even like boxing at that point and didn't even bother to get in shape.
How long was Joe Fraziers prime or Marcianos?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKKALuwnbHM One punchQuote:
Originally Posted by TysonBombThey never dropped each other to my knowledge. Tyson was dropped by Greg Page in prep for Douglas but that's about it. But even Trevor Berbick was giving Mike problems then, who was clearly not prepared at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
They did have some tough battles in sparring but unlike Tyson, Lewis was KTFO when it mattered and was rolling around the canvas like an intoxicated mutt.
And please show me proof of McCall EVER being a 1 punch KO artist. Even he was shocked at how pathetic Lewis's punch resistance was and how easy it was to KO him. McCall was never known as a huge puncher, that is revisionist history from Lewis fans. Nor was he an amazing KO artist ... his KO% is just 53%.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z98mSWTIepM One punch
I know I know, nows the point when you tell everyone how shitty Akinwande and Maskaev were. I actually get that but the point is that as cliche as it is to say 'anything can happen at heavyweight' it is all very true. The way you contort things to fit an agenda is as transparent as glass. McCall sparked Akinwande, Lewis did not. Is there any doubt Lewis is still the bigger puncher regardless? You cannot say Lewis is a glass jawed mutt because he was caught with literally only two shots that had him out while also knowing he was hit sharper, harder and faced bigger punchers and withstood against the likes of a Holyfield, or a Mercer, or a "zombie Tyson" or a Tua, or a Morrison etc etc or the very same Rahman in the rematch. All of whom I have no doubt are better hitters than a Oliver McCall who literally had his eyes closed when he threw and landed a one in a million shot. Ko ratios and simple record lines are not the end all and be all. Its heavyweights, bombs land and shit falls down. I don't know anyone declaring McCall a tremendous punching machine off a single elite level one punch ko and equally its in error to think Lewis would just crumble into dust vs your bwoy because it was he who fell that night. Something tells me I've just wasted alot of time. No one is bashing Mike...but he was human, not some super hero who walked on water and crapped gold cufflinks. Come down to Earth.