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His workrate was spot on. It was an almost flawless performance. The clinching was a little too much for my liking, but it was exactly what was needed in the situation. I couldnt believe it seeing that first KD, Margarito was totally out of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAWGSWIN
I LOVED the game plan. Countering beautifully when he saw the opportunity, slipping and rolling punches, and closing the distance so Margo couldn't get the leverage he needs to punch with power. Mosley can throw some hard power shots in short range!!
Just cause people are bringing it up, I gave Mosley the nod in his fight with Cotto. I thought it was def a close fight, maybe even a draw. But Mosley came on strong in the last half of the fight and I felt he did enough to take it to the champion (Cotto at the time). IMO, if you choose whether to start strong or finish strong, the guy who can do it during the championship rounds gets more credit. I haven't seen the fight a second time, but if I remember correctly, I had Shane winning a close fight...
True True. Tony ate some monster shots. Take nothing away from Tony. He fights great, but Mosley is a great fighter ;) Part of me hope Shane will retire now, on top, with this victory answering any questions about his legacy and place in boxing history. He should have gotten rid of that wife a long time ago ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
The fight went the way I thought it would. You keep A.M. in the center of the ring he's nothing. Cotto could have beaten A.M. but he just fought the wrong fight. Cotto was his master in the center of the ring. Once his back was to the ropes is when A.M. took over. Mosleys back never touch the ropes. He kept A.M. in the center of the ring. Boxing is not a back ally brawl. It's a sport, It's art. Skill and talent are still the keys to victory.
Cotto clearly won the fihgt, and came stronger himself at the very end. Mosley was also given credit for a lot of right hands that weren't really landing. Don't get me wrong, he did land his share of right hands, but not as many as Lampley was making it out to be, Cotto was slipping a lot of them.
Ag6-9reed. Vintage Shane showed up 6-9.Quote:
Originally Posted by RozzySeanYes and no. You're right about his jab. I can't remember the last time I saw Mosley use his jab that effectively. It was one of the huge factors tonight. On the other hand. Shane pummeling Tony with right hands, going upstairs and downstairs, and snapping off vicious hooks is vintage Mosley. He brawled in spots (vintage Mosley) and used his feet and clinches to control distance (also vintage Mosley.)Quote:
Originally Posted by DAWGSWIN
To all those who said Cotto hits harder than Shane...how you like them apples?
Watch the Cotto-Mosley fight. Cotto was punching off his back foot against Margarito still landed harder shots, but he was beating Margarito up mentally, he wasn't stopping Margarito from landing punches, and he wasn't tiring Margarito out.
Want another example like this
MAyweather-Corrales vs Corrales-Castillo: Castillo landed probably 3x as many punches against Corrales, because Corrales was able to find Castillo it changes your mindset in there. Being able to hit your opponent makes you tougher, it your strength doesn't get sapped as much knowing the other guy is going through what you are. That's why Holyfield could survive against bigger heavyweights, thats why Leonard survived against Duran in their first fight.
Look at Cotto/Margie and look at Mosley/Margie. The size difference is remerkable...in the ring!!
But...didn't you pick Margarito to win.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseIt was even worse than Hopkins-Pavlik. But damn your Boxing knowledge is without peer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Just watched the fight and Mosley was sensational. He was quicker and more accurate and after he landed he'd stay inside - perfect gameplan. The finish was superb - Margarito was a finished man at the end of the 8th and it need one last effort from Shane to finish it in the 9th and he delivered.
I think I only gave 1 round to Margarito - the 7th other than that it was all Shane.
Credit to his trainer Nazim Richardson who has helped Hopkins against Pavlik and now Mosley against Margarito.
That was a cracker even though I tipped Margarito, full props to Shane.Quote:
Originally Posted by WelshDevilRob
Great performance by Mosley. He must have broke the world record for righthand bombs landed.
Margarito looked "off" from the start.. although the beating was so comprehensive, even if at his best you couldn't see him coming close to winning.
I got it badly wrong. But will never completely write-off a great fighter again.. however jaded he has seemingly become.
Well I got that totally wrong, I will hold my hands up and say very well done Shane Mosley. It was a really dominate performance IMO and he used his snappy combinations with great power and great footwork. He looked quick and powerful and he was too much for Margartio. I didnt expect him to stop Margartio but that right hand was unbelieve from Mosley.
I now have learnt that Margarito is a human and he can fall, this will be a tough fight for him to get over and maybe the Cotto fight took a lot out of him?
I bet the promoters are pissed off at the outcome of this fight, it will seem like these 3 Cotto, Margarito and Mosley are like a merry go round. I wonder what Mosley would want now? I think he would like to avenge the loss to Cotto, but Cotto wants to avenge the loss to Magartio and after last night he might think he is there for the taking? Margarito I have no doubt would want another pop at Mosley but how would he get that without beating Cotto again? Wont the boxing fans be pissed off if Margarit-Cotto 2 happens now?
Man this is wrecking my head, the 147 weight class is so so entertaining, where is Floyd Mayweather?
Remember him saying this a few weeks back, what a load of shit, Hatton never, ever,evrr, ever, ever claimed that in public, and if he does then lets see it happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnJust saying how this fight exposed Cotto as being a bully and not a good fighter and that Ricky Hatton always said give me Cotto and I'll expose him. Don't ever remember Ricky saying that and how was Cotto exposed as being a bully and not a good fighter by Tony?Quote:
Originally Posted by DeanrwHe always gives me a good laugh. What was he saying?Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
Last week on his boxing hour he called Arreola a boring fighter.
A few weeks ago he said K9 Bundrage was a bum and Jamie Moore was much more deserving of a light-middleweight world title shot.
He also licks the sweat of every british fighters bollocks. Tonight he said Maccarinelli was the danger man in the Cruiser divsion and is the man to beat.
I find it hard to listen to as this man preaches his opinions as if they'e gospel. Fucking dick head!
As for Shane, awesome. I don't think Marg was off at all, just that Shane had the style to beat him. He still took an inhuman amount of punishment, great chin but the worst defense in boxing.
As for the wraps, for the moment it's speculation. If we believed every single speculation then there'd be no one to cheer e.g. One of the most loved fighters of all time was known as the hands of stone, and his trainer had previous - easy to put 2 and 2 together and come up with anything you want, which is what the Cotto fans seem to be grasping to.
He's waiting patiently for the right moment and right matchup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
If Pac beats Hatton, I think Floyd will make that fight immediately. He probably already has the contract written. If Hatton wins, I think he will see if Mosley/Cotto rematch happens and if it does, Floyd will fight the winner. Shane beat Tony so thoroughly that if Cotto beats Mosley a second time, it sets him up for a Floyd fight. If Shane can avenge his loss to Cotto, Mosley becomes the obvious choice. Mayweather may even jump right into a fight with Mosley if Hatton wins. Mosley, even with the Cotto loss, put himself in a great position with that win last night, and we all know Floyd loves fighting old guys. :-X
I never thought in a million years that the outcome of this fight would be Margarito on the canvas. I was thinking that if Margarito took all of those shots against Cotto, then he can take anything from Mosely. Mosely looked very nice last night, not letting Margarito bully him or get him in the ropes. I don't think Margarito was off, just that styles makes fights. Mosely, Cotto, and Margarito may be the new Ali, Foreman, Fraiser. Mosely's stamina has never been a question nor his speed, for me it was always his power but he certainly proved me wrong last night. I guess this opens up a lot of possible matchups, but I would like Cotto to fight Margarito again before Mosely. When Mayweather comes back, combined with Pacquiao, Berto, Williams, this division is stacked. Deffinitly the most exciting division in boxing. Mosely deserves alot of credit. Nice game plan!
I predicted Shane would do something special tonite, just felt it.. Along with Bhop he is the most durable fighter I have seen in my lifetime. He has a chance against anyone and everyone he steps in the ring with. His longevity and track record is amazing, look at him and then look at the guys who beat him and look at the shape their in now, excluding CottoQuote:
Originally Posted by RozzySean
Forrest- on the slide
Winky- inactive
I'm with you on this one, been supporting Shane his whole career and have never picked against him, he is a gamer and one of those fighters who seemed unfazed by the challenge. I wont lie I didnt predict KO figured he might pull an Hopkins and put on a clinic, but man Shane mangled his ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by RozzySean
There was a sequence in the 1st 2 rounds, were in the clinch Shane grabbed Tony effortlesly spun him like a rag doll, thats when I knew Shane was going to be fine, he takes shit from no one and was spoiling Tony on the inside grinding him down being crafty with head, which helped set up all his other work..
Shane is a little of everything brawler,Counterpuncher etc..
I feel you man, big Margo fan myself, but I liked to believe it was an isolated incident, tony is a warrior and Cotto fought the wrong fight, nothing more nothing less.. Cotto's question mark has ALWAYS been his chin and durability. The wraps didnt make the differenceQuote:
Originally Posted by RozzySean
IMO you could have put Shane in Cotto's place for the July showdown and Mosely wouldnt have withered down the stretch, especially with such a big lead.. Cotto is spectacular but durability wasnt his shining spot..
Shane proved beyond the shadow of a doubt that he is one of the most durable fighters of this area, win lose or draw has to be top 4 in active fighters quality of resume.. and its no coincidence that Delahoya and Hopkins are up their too
The reports of Mosleys decline have been over exaggerated Lol:fight:.The man preformed in every facet as a true Champion last night.I had a sneaking suspicion that he would hurt and even drop Margarito but thought it would come earlier and Tony would be able to get going.It was not to be.Absolutely,unequivocally no excuses.....Mosley was the grindstone upon which Margarito was ground.He out Margaritod Margarito,took his best and fought a very smart fight from the outset.....he attacked Margarito as I thought he would have to,he established himself and asserted his strengths in close,tied Tony up and had a homing beacon on that right hand,just amazing and as a boxing fan firstly and an individual fighter fan second...a big difference...it was a pleasure to watch.
Tony my man,live by the sword,die by the sword.Ive been following you from back in the day.From the Ankamah decapitation to last night.You have Always taking a bit of flack from the detractors but have never faltered in your determination and ambition,even in the darkest of times you kept coming.Never pretended to be any thing that your not and maximized your given ability's.I'll look forward to seeing you back in the mix.Many will cast you aside now,call you a one hit wonder...Its tired and predictable,fawk em & that short sightedness.Ive nothing but respect for ya,head up,chest out,walk on.You were beaten by a great fighter,The night belonged to Mosley.
I have not been too active in the forum lately, but I had to comment on this one.
Mosley was sensational and I have to admit that I thought that he was not going to able to beat Margarito after seeing the troubles he had with Mayorga until his TKO win.
Different to Cotto, Mosley did not allow Margarito to press forward and did not allow Margarito to trap him on the ropes. Whenever Margarito tried to push Mosley, he (Mosley) stopped and responded with solid punches. Mosley made Margarito walk back, and hold smartly. Since Mosley was firm on his foot he could transfer the weight of his body to the punches, reaching the the body and head with true power punches. This was another area that Cotto could do better with Margarito because he punched a lot, but punching walking backwards I guess did not allow him to hurt Margarito as Mosley could and never looked for the body (his signature punch). Mosley was strong, fast and smart.
My respect to both, but specially to Mosley who showed up in a great condition at his age and not only won, but won by TKO.
Shows how important a game plan is IMO (not to mention hand speed)
Cotto fought the totally wrong fight. I think it was me and Amat who were talking about it before the fight that Cotto might might some here and there but the last thing he needed to do would be moving all night, because you can't waste energy against a guy like Margarito, plus moving away from him just gets him going.
Shane moved some but not that much, conserved energy, held in a smart way (granted I don't like holding but he was doing more than enough fighting too) and stayed off the ropes. Perfect gameplan, executed perfectly. He was probably better suited to execute it against Margarito than Cotto anyway but still a much smarter performance. You just can't waste energy against Tony.
I didn't even give the 7th to Margo, granted like Lampley said he did better in comparison but I don't think he won the round.
So where are those people who insist on saying SSM can't box...
Those who insist on saying SSM has no power...
SSM has no footwork...
I keep reading those comments time and time again. I read them sometime ago and I keep reading them everytime SSM fights.
I personally have always felt SSM got power hes always shown it.
I also feel he's a good boxer, he might not be a technician in the ring but this performance clearly shows that with experience you can do it.
He boxed brilliant, his shots were vicious and he used great footwork.
Using up the entire ring.
Margarito,
Echele ganas cabron y no se desanime.
Pa' delante y con la cabeza en alto porque no tienes nada de que avergonzar. SSM fue mejor que tu esa noche asi como tu lo fuistes contra Cotto.
You can NEVER count an old Lion out...
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Originally Posted by CutMeMickI'm with you on this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaxy
You can NEVER count on old Lion out like SSM.
The guy has taken good care of himself and he's always in shape to fight
(Please don't give me the .2 lb talk OK it's .2 not 20.00 :rolleyes: )
I think fighters like him always have a chance because they've seen it all.
Lost to Vernon cameback and won, lost to Winkus cameback and won.
:appl: Fucken Shane man...
I sware I got love for Margarito but when you see a performance like that from an ATG you just can't help it but smile.
He fought the perfect fight and just made the fight go his way from round 1 'til the end. Without ever losing sight of the task that was at hand.
Let's hear it one time for the Old Lion "SSM"...
Shane is certainly the man of the hour...Really what can you say but good for him...He came back when all practically wrote him off...
VD called it last night when he said don't be surprisewd if we see a Hopkins like performance.....
Too Bad Danny G can't be as good a sport about it like everyone else including Margarito fans..
Instead he makes up threads about Cotto being cheated...then a fake screen name to go along with everything he said...the sends me things in my PM, Profile and rep comments about being a bitch...Callling me a C***...talking about Lewis being a B**** and other things...
Ruins the sport and the want to post
You made me learn a new spanish expression - I had to look up "echele ganas." Good expression to know, and very true sentiments for Tony. Dust yourself off and come back better.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Well, I have to say, as a Margarito fan, I was absolutely stunned speechless last night. I had a suspicion that Shane might pull a decision, but never did I imagine this outcome. Hats off the Shane, that was a performance of a lifetime. Let's be fair though, to those saying that Margarito's chin was exposed, give me a break, he still showed that chin in eating huge shots for 8 rounds, it just finally caught up with him. No one is invincible, but I bet any other fighter would have been out of there long before that. I also find it funny how so many jumped on Tony's bandwagon after the cotto fight, now that he lost, it's all "he never was shit." :rolleyes: I was a Tony fan before this, and remain one now, despite my disappointment.
As for the handwraps thing, this is indeed troubling and if true, I have indeed lost some respect. I just have to say though to those questioning his other wins, of course this brings him into doubt but let's put it in perspective. At least in theory, don't they have someone checking the fighters wraps before EVERY fight? If so, i find it hard to believe that he could get away with this on a regular basis. I see no reason to suggest that this was a factor in the Cotto fight either. Let's face it, Cotto doesn't have the best chin in the world, and Tony hit him with a lot of shots, much more than he did Mosley, so I see no reason to suspect that anything other than Tony's natural punches beat Cotto. It could be, and I'm not defending the move, that margarito tried it against Shane because he knows that Shane has such a good chin. of course this doesn't make it right, but there is a certain logic to it.
Man i got tell i been watching Shane Mosley my whole life and i am glad he won i just had the feeling that this was a bad fight for Margarito because you cant break Mosley in the way he wanted to do it the sad part is that Teath although i like some of what he says can give Shane Mosley any credit and thats what pisses me off the most about that shit and Danny G making all these exuses for Cotto they are not sure about the wraps yet and also Cotto could not hurt Margarito and also he has a stamina problems so i really dont get why Danny is complaining all and all Shane Mosley showed why he has the name Sugar and his domination of Margarito was one of the best performances i have ever seenn in while.
I can not say I was so much surprised that Shane won because truth be told it is not like Shane has been beat down lately and just came back from the grave....Mosley has always been in top shape and to my recall other then Forrest when Forrest was DAMN! good he has neverhit the canvas.....So the chin was always there...
I did though think he would be worn out by trading with Tony and end up on the bad end of some punsihment.....Losing via UD
Yet there was always the thought of him outboxing Tony...Scoring with the trademark Mosley quick flurries in and out and getting the decision himself....
The thought of Margarito being knocked out by anyone at this point let alone Mosley at 37 nevber entered my mind once....
I was shocked on that one.....
I did say though in the beginning that I would be rooting for Shane over anyone but Margarito....So I am not too disappointed that Tony lost
Shane's speed was the main difference. What a fight. I never thought I would witness Margarito being put down again, not least twice :o So much for the iron chin. But yeah....Shane was awesome. Huge probs to him. Maragrito has always been one dimensional (I've said this before), I just didnt think Mosely could exploit him like that. He won every round on my card. What a performance.
Man I think this is great for the sport to have someone as marketable as Shane to have such a good performance. He is a superstar, like Jones, but also the real deal still!
This division is so tough! And it just keeps getting better. I think I know the rankings and how the chips are going to fall and someone stuns me in another great welterweight fight!
Correct me if i'm wrong here but what i noticed most in this fight was Margarito on returning to his corner at the end of round 1 looked shot!
Have a look at the end of Round one with the close up on Margarito, he definitely wanted to be somewhere else other than in the same ring as Suger Shane Mosley who bullied the bully the whole fight.
That's because mosley hurt him in the opening round. Margarito hardly threw a body punch in the first half of the fight because mosley's hard punches took away most of his steam.
I'll put it down to that then, never have i seen a champion have the look of defeat on his face so early as i saw Margarito against Mosley.Quote:
Originally Posted by awdleyfuturehalloffamer
Shane Mosley you are a deadset legend! Now call out that sucker Mayweather or get back into with Cotto!!
Man i love Shane he is what a fighter should be i mean when he lost to Forrest he did not take a soft oppent he jump right back in there and then he fights a guy in Wright who is way bigger and pound for pound 10 guy in his own right and even when he lost he come back right at the guy. Cotto loses and takes on a Jennings i dont remeber Mosley ever doing that and thats what is amazing about the man and after his dismantling of Margarito the next guy while proably be even tougher challange.
If this is true, then it gives weight to fists padding issue, brought against Tony.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
Imagine, in one swift stroke, having to go to war without your trusty weapon, and in all of its suddenness?
Abruptly, you will go psychologically out of whack, in the briefest manner.
Couple that with the beatings absorbed in real time! Lights out after round 1, .... for that matter, common sense strongly suggests, lights out even before round one!
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Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
If you look closely Shane landed a real hard body shot and after that margarito didnt throw shit after that until the round was over. If u get body work in on him early he has nothin no power no pressure nada.
I was SHOCKED seeing Shane just BLUEPRINT Margarito...he gave the HOW TO GUIDE of how to whip Toni's ass. I am now really looking forward to Cotto coming back and avenging his loss.....a beat down like Toni got can end careers.
After Cotto's victory I thought one of Margarito's weapons was HIS CHIN. Cotto's been known for having power in his punches but still, Margarito walked through them like a tank. Since Mosley didn't look as if he was going to knock out Cotto, I thought his punches would be no threat against Margarito, I was wrong.
Margarito looked slow but that didn't surprise me. Margarito is not known for his speed. He couldn't execute his plan. Mosley used his speed to prevent from getting connected and kept punching and retreating. Good plan.
Wow...just saw this fight...TOTAL ANNIHILATION!!
I remember reading this thread last night...I can't remember who gave the 4th to Margarito but it definitely wasn't Ray Charles because he could have told you Margarito didn't win a damn thing. Even the 7th that Lederman gave him was extremely generous!