Yeah, what is up with Merchant trying to put the blame on Floyd for Manny not willing to get tested? :confused: Is Larry juicing too or something?
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Yeah, what is up with Merchant trying to put the blame on Floyd for Manny not willing to get tested? :confused: Is Larry juicing too or something?
Come on Pacman just piss in a bottle!!
Always had my suspicions regarding Pac and wheter or not he's juiced up in some way if im honest .... just the way he carries that KO power up through such huge weight changes :-\
Anyway...
Khan just whips his out no questions asked...
Maybe he can have a word with Manny down at the Wildcard ;D
Mosley's done, He's got enough money now after this fight to recover from his divorce.
I didnt even see the fight but did it remind anyone of Mosley/Wright
Boxing commentators used to be unbiased...which is what it should be.
RIP Don Dunphy
He should fight the winner of Paul Williams Kermit Cintron.
Pac said he would do what the commision says.
Who the heck is floyd?!? He doesnt make the rules.
I believe the blame can be shared equally by both sides. The point of negotiation is to reach an agreement which is feasible to both sides. Not you guys do this or else. You must give Pacquiao's team credit they were willing to compromise. We saw on 24/7 how invasive and how irritating the testing process can be. They should just meet in the middle and get the fight done. You have to realize how ridiculous Mayweather's requests are in theory. Imagine Bill Belichick saying the Patriots won't play the Colts unless they do his drug testing. Mayweather isn't above the commission. Let's just meet in the middle and get the fight already.
If Manny is clean then whats the problem?
IMO theres only one reason he refused to take the tests...
The issue that most ignore is that boxing has virtually no valid drug testing. Other sports are more sophisticated. There are few rules in boxing; many are negotiated by the fighters
Everyone has to realize we're dealing with multimillionaires here. Do you really think it's that financially significant to Pacquiao or his handlers to feel as if he's being bullied in the negotiation process.
Although I'm no Floyd fan, what he and Mosley did in the run up to the fight with regard to testing can only be a good thing. Surely nobody can disagree with that? A totally level playing field is best for every sport.
If Manny truly respects the sport, he'll take the tests and will contribute to a better and safer future for boxing in the process. Mayweather didn't invent the testing system, he is simply using the most comprehensive one currently in place. A good thing, no?
even if pacman waS TAKING steriods do you really think he would risk it all for roids i think not its just another excuse to delay the fight until pacman loses loses some confidence then ull here run mayweather talk his shit
The second part of drug bit is not really true. As far as the testing goes they pretty much all use the same testing facilities. It's only that different people collect the samples and even that is outsourced. Each state has it's own commission and their own policy on testing. Nevada had already implemented non-competition random testing where fighters would gain the most benefit from enhancers and it was even before the issue of Mayweather/Pacquiao.
Pacneedle will refuse to take the tests again and the media will blame Floyd for the fight not being made.
I completely agree that it's a good thing to have the highest standard of testing in a sport. However the sport has to institute the testing. People in the sport can't just pick or choose what others should do. This is a trivial analogy but for the Canadian folks on here look at visors in hockey. Everyone knows they're good but think if the Canadiens say we're not playing the Leafs unless you all wear visors. They'd say to hell with you guys. If the Nhl said everyone's wearing visors they'd say alright.
yeah pacman is a steriod freak please theres other ways to gain weight and put muscle than steriods cmon if u ever workout u would know
Main thing I don't think people saw coming was that Mayweather after being stunned came right out and right at Shane Mosley he didn't run away he didnt spend the rest of the round on his bike. He sprouted wings and a tail and became a dragon just like Nazim said he would and came forward and started pushing Mosley back all night. I expected Mayweather to outbox Mosley, but I didn't think he would walk him down the way he did. No one has ever dominated Mosley that badly ever and i strongly think if Mayweather had decided to pressure Mosley then he would have stopped him or forced Nazim to throw in the towel
Major American sports leagues NFL, NBA, MLB do not do blood testing I believe.
Yeah, what I started to try to write a couple different ways but didn't manage to. Floyd was aggressive, after almost getting KTFO in round 2. He didn't run away from this arguably harder puncher to win by potshots. He took the fight to Mosely and just outscored him with speed and timing. Exactly the kinds of things he is most often criticized for didn't happen here, against a welterweight, and he came forward to Mosely after getting hurt.
That shows a lot of things about Floyd's heart as well as his skill.
But it's also his skill to know that if he tried to run and fight cutsie solely from the outside against Sugar Shane, he'd probably get caught again, and it might end the fight next time. So taking it to Shane wasn't just heart, it was skill and understanding. He knew he had to go to Mosely and outbox him within Mosely's range to keep Mosely off him.
So he did. Because he could.
At least, that's how it looks to me.
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But it's also his skill to know that if he tried to run and fight cutsie solely from the outside against Sugar Shane, he'd probably get caught again, and it might end the fight next time. So taking it to Shane wasn't just heart, it was skill and understanding. He knew he had to go to Mosely and outbox him within Mosely's range to keep Mosely off him.
So he did. Because he could.
At least, that's how it looks to me.[/quote]
I think it was the last episode of 24/7... Floyd up close on the punch bag... Floyd snr 'thats where you need to be, right there.'
Mayweathers boring if he 'runs' and he's boring if he comes forward, lol. jokers.
Yeah, I saw a change in Shane, after he stunned him it was almost like he thought he was gonna walk down Mayweather, fight at his pace and eventually stop him late. So when Mayweather started coming forward in the same round trying to pay him back for hurting him, I think in Mosley's mind he went "wtf!?! I just hit him with my hardest shots why is he coming forward? Why isnt he running!?!" And right there, Mayweather had that fight mentally, Nazim was completely correct when he said Floyd was a scrapper, I think he told Mosley that but Shane didn't believe it, till it was too late.
Gutted Floyd did'nt taste canvas in the 2nd but big props to Mayweather, schooled, well and truly. Shows he can be hurt though. I'd be very intrigued to know whether the Pac camp fancy the job or not now though. I don't see any other outcome than a Floyd win though.
Very impressed with Floyd last night he showed heart and a good chin when he got hurt and surprissed Shane by comming straight back at him after every shot Shane landed.
Mosely Trainer said that he expects Floyd to turn into raging bull after he was hurt. That is exactly what happened in the fight. Mosely's Trainer has shown that he is a truth teller.
And the point of letting me know that was?
Some have better beards than others, that there is no doubt about. Mayweather's supreme defence aside, he shows that his beard can be tested. Ha. And tested it was. I certainly, if only for 20 - 30 secs thought it was curtains for floyd. At the higher weight against the bigger puncher, his beard will be tested again. I reckon Pac can test it for sure.
Mosley is a massive puncher, look at the gif Pugilistic put up in the other thread, those were heavy shots, the 2nd right on the temple. He deserves a lot of credit for staying on his feet, and actually coming back at Shane like he did later in the round. It showed that even if Nazim didn't get the gameplan right, he was damn right that Floyd is a warrior underneath all that skill.
I don't even think it was a matter of Nazim's gameplan. Nazim gave perfect advice in the corner the whole fight, very clear, succinct and focused. He knew what he was doing.
Mayweather was just so much smoother then Mosley, I think it was in the 3rd where Mosley was moving his hands every which way standing in front trying to get Mayweather to react to something and Mayweather just stayed completely calm in front of him waiting for him to actually commit to a punch. He was just so much smoother and when he let off the right hand Mosley just could not catch that.
Add that to the fact that Mosley wasn't allowed to develop a rhythm moving forward and you have what you got last night. I don't think Mayweather standing his ground was a surprise at all.
My 2 cents on the fight.
1. I'm disappointed in Mosley's performance. It seemed as though he only had 2 rounds in him and was content to let the rest of the fight get away after round 2. 4th round was the only other round he showed any aggression.
2. Floyd showed a lot of guts and truly stood his ground and fought at range, didn't run, and clearly won the fight.
3. Floyd gets my respect for this fight and i'm just disappointed because of Shane's performance. Floyd won, no excuses, but I don't think Shane performed at his best and we could have had 12 rounds like the first 4 back and forth, lots of action.
I have to totally revise my thoughts on Mayweather as a Welter, he was amazing. There i said it. :mad:
AGreed man....... Was very dissapointed in Shane though, although he kinda performed similar to Clottey against Pac, in fear of being hit everytime he threw or opened up. I have a feeling Floyd hit harder than he expected. Floyds countering was top notch, catching Mosley nearly every time clean and crisp.
No, the two first rounds he did damn good, knocking Mayweather with flush jabs and solid power punches but he totally ran out of gas after that. What I find strange is not that Mayweather won by 10 rounds, I am all ok with it, it,s just, as it has been mentioned, how Shane can run out of steam after 2 rounds when he's always been very competitive in the past for at least 10 rounds?
I don't think that's fair man. Shane tried to make a go of it, but he just couldn't find a way through. He was trying to find the openings and they just weren't there and he can't just wade in taking punches. Clottey balled up and didn't even try to make a fight of it. Shane showed he was a warrior, he took punches that most other men couldn't have, but he was just in against a better guy.