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"I know Sonny owed a lotta money to some cats in Henderson, Nevada. He fought hard and was beating me, then suddenly from 3 rows behind the timekeeper someone yelled 'Sonny on the Money!", and then Liston left himself wide open for my KO punch. Just didn't seem right."
is this true or bill paxtom true?Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Publicist Harold Conrad and others believed that Liston was deeply involved as a bill collector in a loan-sharking ring in Las Vegas. When he tried to muscle in for a bigger share of the action, Conrad surmised that his employers got him very drunk, took him home, and stuck him with a needle. (2) Professional gambler Lem Banker insists that Liston was murdered by drug dealers with whom he'd become involved. Banker said he was told by police that Liston had been seen at a house that would be the target of a drug raid. Banker said, "Sheriff [Ralph] Lamb told me, 'Tell your pal Sonny to stay away from the West Side because we're going to bust the drug dealers.'" Banker later learned that the police told Liston the same thing to his face. He apparently was at the dealers' house shortly before they got busted. Because of that, the dealers may have thought Sonny ratted on them and they shot him with a hot dose as retribution. (3) The mob promised Liston some money to throw the second Ali fight but they never paid him. As the years passed and Liston's financial situation worsened, he got angry and told the mob he'd go public with the story unless they gave him the money. That got him killed. (4) Liston was supposed to take a dive when he fought Chuck Wepner six months earlier, and killing him was payback for his failure to do so.[55]Quote:
Originally Posted by Masteris this true or bill paxtom true?Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Some believe the police covered up what happened. On January 1, Liston's wife called Johnny Tocco and said she hadn't heard from her husband in three days and was worried. A few years before he died, Johnny Tocco allegedly told his good friend, Tony Davi, that he went to Liston's house and found the door locked and his car in the driveway. Tocco called the police, and they broke into the house. Tocco said that the living room furniture was in disarray but the house did not yet smell of death. He said they found Sonny lying on his bed with a needle sticking out of his arm. Johnny left the house before the police did. "Johnny wasn't a braggart," Davi told Liston biographer Paul Gallender. "He told me in the strictest confidence, but it was like he wanted to get it off his chest." Gallender claims, "A lot of officers knew Sonny was dead before Geraldine returned home on January 5, but they chose to let him rot."[55]
Sonny Liston is interred in Paradise Memorial Gardens in Las Vegas, Nevada. His headstone bears the simple epitaph: "A Man."
Friday ~ Aoril 5, 1968
Festhalle ~ Frankfurt, Germany
~ Mildenberger Kayo Victim To Martin ~
~ Mildenberger Knocked Out By Martin In 7th ~
~ Martin Wins By Kayo, Mildenberger Down For Count ~
~ Mildenberger KO'd In Frankfurt ~
American - Leotis Martin poured it in Round 7, and dropped German - Karl Mildenberger
'3-Times' to score a Knockout at 3:08 of Round 7.
The 3rd Knockdown came with 2-Seconds left in the 7th Round, but despite the sound of
the Bell ending the Round, the German was counted out, as he did not rise before the
Referee - Ben Bril reached the count of 10.
Leotis Martin {193 lbs.} came out fast from the Opening Bell, and took the initiative as he
scored with measuring left-jabs and right-hand leads throughout the first 3-Rounds.
Martin scored with frequent long right-hands to Mildenberger's chin, and had no problem
with the German's southpaw attack, as he countered Mildenberger's sporadic right-hands
with his own long right-hands.
Karl Mildenberger {205 lbs.} got back into the fight in Round 4, as he scored with pin-point
right-jabs. But his punches showed no effect on the American, who was not bothered at all
by Mildenberger's southpaw stance in an 'Even' Round.
The hometown German had his best moments early in Round 5, as again he was accurate with
his right-jab, and he did score with several good left-hand leads to Martin's head. But the
hard-hitting Martin rallied late, and shook Mildenberger with '2' hard right-hands to the chin
in another 'Even' Round.
But in Round 6, Martin looked to be tiring, and Mildenberger moved in close to out-work the
American with an assortment of light-punches to the head, to edge out the Round.
In Round 7, Leotis came out fast and surprised Mildenberger with a barrage of punches, and
had the German 'reeling' some after tagging him with a hard right-hand. Later in the Round at
the {1:44 Mark} Martin had the German on the floor from a 'left-right' to the chin.
Mildenberger rose at the '4-Count', and was ready to fight on.
The German was able to weather the 'storm' briefly for 50-Seconds, but Martin started to unload
his heavy-punches, and Mildenberger went down again from a 'jolting' left-right to the chin at
the {2:44 Mark}.
This time Mildenberger was down for a '7-Count', and rose looking 'dazed' at the {2:52 Mark}.
Martin then moved in from the 'Neutral-Corner' and forced Mildenberger to back up to the Ropes
at the {2:55 Mark}.
Then immediately, the American ripped away with a furious 'left-right' combination, and then caught
the German with a long right-hook to the chin, sending Mildenberger 'sagging' into the Ropes at
the {2:58 Mark}.
The Referee's count reached '2' at the Bell, but Ben Bril kept counting as Mildenberger was still
on the canvas. He did not rise before the '10-Count' and Leotis Martin was awarded a 'Knockout'
victory at {3:08} of Round 7.
{Below, Karl Mildenberger is 'Down For The Count', as he is counted out by Referee -Ben Bril}
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Boxing News {September 13, 1968}
Germany's Karl Mildenberger to defend his European Crown against Britain's Henry Cooper on September 18th.
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Wednesday ~ September 18, 1968
Empire Pool ~ Wembley, London, England
European Heavyweight Championship
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~ Tale of the Tape ~
Karl Mildenberger ~ 53-5-3 {19 KO's} ~ 6' 1 1/2" ~ 208 lbs. ~ Reach; 74" ~ {Age; 30 years, 10 months}
vs.
Henry Cooper ~ 36-13-1 {25 KO's} ~ 6' 1" ~ 187 lbs. ~ Reach; 76" ~ {Age; 34 years, 5 months}
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~ The Skinny ~
This will be a battle between '2' Ringworn Veterans, as both have seen better days.
Karl Mildenberger has owned the European Heavyweight Crown for 4-Years, since October 17, 1964
when he defeated {KO 1} Santo Amonti to win the 'vacant' Championship.
This will be the German's '7th' Title-Defense, but his '1st' on foreign soil.
Karl and Henry were supposed to fight for the European Championship 4 years earlier {back on October 10, 1964},
but Henry pulled out, claiming an elbow injury.
Henry Cooper is the former European Heavyweight Champion, which he won on February 24, 1964 by defeating
{W Dec 15} Brian London. But, Henry was 'stripped' of his Crown on October 10, 1964 for failing to defend
against Karl Mildenberger.
Henry 'is' both the British and Commonwealth Heavyweight Champion, and is out to claim his former European
Crown as well.
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~ The Double Skinny ~
* Karl Mildenberger is coming off a brutal loss {L KO 7} to Leotis Martin only 5-Months earlier {April 5, 1968}.
* Karl has dropped out of the Top 10, and is now slotted at #14 WBA.
* Karl has visited the canvas a total of '12-times' in his last 7-Bouts.
* Henry Cooper has won '3' straight since losing by a 'brutal knockout' {L KO 4} to Floyd Patterson on September 24, 1966.
* But, Henry last fought on November 7, 1967 {10 months ago}.
* Henry is now rated at #10 WBA
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~ The Outside Skinny ~
German Style
If Karl Mildenberger wins, German Fight Promoter - Joachim Gottert is prepared to offer WBA Champion - Jimmy Ellis
$175,000 {Tax Free} to come to Germany to defend his Title against Karl Mildenberger in November 1968.
Karl Mildenberger >
This bout will not be that much of a problem for me. Henry is right there to be hit, and he cuts easily. All I have to
do is watch out for his left-hook, and keep my right-hand in his face. I'll be patient for the first 5-Rounds, and then
I'll work on his eyes.
I'll slash his eye-brows, and cut him up. He'll be wearing a bloody mask by mid-way thru the bout. There is no way
he can go 15-Rounds without getting cut up. They will stop it before we here a Judges decision. I predict a win
by the 11th Round.
English Style
If Henry Cooper wins, British Fight Promoter - Harry Levene is prepared to offer WBA Champion - Jimmy Ellis
$150,000 to come to London, England to defend his Title against Henry Cooper in early-1969.
Henry Cooper >
Mildenberger fits my style. He will no problem for me. I won't predict a Round, just that I will win by a convincing
margin. I'm already looking ahead. Next will be Jimmy Ellis for 1969.
For some reason, I always skimmed the thread title as "Kate Middleton ~"
Anyway, Ali was a WAY above all his contemporaries...
I believe there was a formulate to beat him, but no flesh to execute it
As my kid would ask on a trip out for the day,! ARE WE THERE YET.:vd:
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Originally Posted by NVSemin
But it was Karl Mildenberger who had the 'formula' in how to beat Cassius Clay.
Cassius was lucky to have an inferior group of Heavyweights in front of him during
the 1964 thru 1967 campaign.
plus it's now been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Sonny Liston took a huge dive in the rematch.on top of that the way to fight was stopped with Jersey Joe Walcott waltzing around the ring like an idiot and then waving the fight off for no reason when liston was not really taking any more punishment and had his hands up in a good defensive position the whole thing was a sham from start to finish. Rocky Marciano and Jack Dempsey as well as great sports writers of the time all looked at the film over and over and over and said it was b******* Jimmy Breslin of the Daily News was right at ringside and liston fell right in front of him less than 10 feet from the tip of his nose and Breslin said very clearly and maintain this position his entire life
" the force of Muhammad Ali's right hand punch which put Sonny Liston down was not strong enough to crush a grape"
. Case f****** closed .. fact
fact
~ Boxing News {September 13, 1968} ~
Henry Cooper >
"I'm already looking forward to fighting WBA Champion - Jimmy Ellis next. Mildenberger
fits my style, as he comes in with his hands held below his chin."
"I will win by a convincing margin. I am confident, and do not expect any problems on
Wednesday Night {September 18th} in Wembley."
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Wednesday ~ September 18, 1968
Empire Pool ~ Wembley, London, United Kingdom
Attendance ..... { 10,500 }
European Heavyweight Championship
Promoter ...... Harry Levene
Fight Purses
* Karl Mildenberger ....... $50,000
* Henry Cooper ............. $48,000
Odds ......... 'Even'
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~ Henry Cooper Defeats Karl Mildenbeger, Wins European Crown ~
~ 'Brit' Cooper Over 'German' Mildenberger By DQ In 8th ~
~ Cooper Regains European Heavyweight Title ~
34 year-old Englishman - Henry Cooper administered a beating on 30 year-old German - Karl Mildenberger
to capture the European heavyweight Championship by a Disqualification in Round 8.
Italian Referee - Nello Barrovecchio called a halt to the bout at {2:58} of Round 8, after repeated head-butting
by the 'now' former Champion - Mildenberger.
Henry Cooper {187 lbs.} was giving up 21 lbs. in weight to Karl Mildenberger's {208 lbs.}, as well as 3 1/2 years
in age. While the German came in with more speed, size, youth and a southpaw stance, it was the Challenger
'Old Enry' who took it to the Champion in the Opening Round with left-jabs to the face.
In Round 2, Cooper 'dropped' Mildenberger coming in, by connecting with a short left-hook to the jaw. The German
was up immediately, but had to take the 'Mandatory 8-Count'.
In Rounds 3 and 4, the Englishman was effective with solid left-jabs and left-hooks, as Mildenberger 'paid-the-price'
each time that he moved in close to deliver his right-jab or left-hand leads.
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A frustrated Mildenberger used his gloves {thmbs} repeatedly to Cooper eyes, in an attempt to open up a cut. Italian
Referee - Nello Barrovecchio warned the German several times for 'illegal use' of his gloves.
Mildenberger also used his head, to bang the nose of Cooper late in Round 4.
Mildenberger had his best Round in the 5th, as he was able to back up his British Challenger with 'double-and-triple'
right-jabs to the face, followed by a rough inside attack.
In Round 6, Mildenberger was 'warned' by the Referee for use of his head {head-butting}, as he caught Cooper
in the nose which caused damage. Both fighters scored with good jabs during an 'Even' Round.
In Round 7, Mildenberger got off to a good start, and just as he was heating up at Center-Ring, the Brit Challenger
caught him with a 'double' left-hook and right-hand to the chin, dropping him on the seat of his pants.
The German Champion was up at the '2-Count', but again was forced to take the 'Mandatory 8-Count', before
circling around the Ring and staying outside for the remainder of the Round.
Coming out for Round 8, Henry Cooper was up {5-1-1} in Rounds on the Referee's scorecard.
'Twice' in Round 8, Mildenberger came in 'head-first' and butted Henry over his right-eye, opening up a bad-cut
that started 'dripping blood'.
Then, Mildenberger fired away with left-hands and rubbed his glove {thumb} over Henry's right-eye in attempt to
gouge his eye-brow and open the cut further.
Late in Round , Mildenerger came in with another 'head-butt', and Referee - Nello Barrovecchio called the bout over
at {2:58} and 'Disqualified' Karl Mildenberger for 'illegal' use of the head.
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The 'UPI' had the bout scored {5-0-2 in Rounds} for Henry Cooper.
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Referee - Nello Barrovecchio >
"I had no other choice. Mildenberger was using 'unruly headwork', and intentionally head-butted Cooper. And he
was using his gloves to gouge Cooper's eye-brows. The Disqualification was warranted."
"I warned Karl several times for 'illegal tactics'. He knew he was on 'thin-ice' during the 8th Round."
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Wolfgang Mueller {Manager for Karl Mildenberger} >
"The Disqualification was not fair. Karl opened the cut over Cooper's eye with a left-hand, not his head. Yes, they
banged heads, but the cut was opened by a punch, not a head-butt."
"We want a rematch. We can do it as soon as Henry's eye heals. What's that, probably 3-Months. We'll challenge
him anywhere."
Wednesday ~ September 18, 1968
~ Englishman Regains European Crown From German Fighter ~
34 year-old Henry Cooper walked into the Empire Pool Ring as 'Even Money', but the ringworn
Englishman administered a beating on German - Karl Mildenberger that few have seen.
Despite entering ring after a 10-Month lay-off, Henry stated dishing out snappy left-jabs and vicious
left-hooks on the German from the very 'first-minute' of the bout.
For some inconceivable reason, Mildenberger moved to his right, and into the damaging left-hooks
of Cooper, instead of circling to the left, and away from Cooper's power punches.
Cooper 'floored' Mildenberger in Round 2, by landing a solid left-hook to the jaw.
The German used 'illegal tactics' throughout, which included 'thumbing' Henry with his gloves, and
'head-butting' his nose.
Referee - Nello Barrovecchio warned Mildenberger several times throughout the bout.
In Round 7, Cooper 'floored' Mildenberger again, after landing '2' hard left-hooks to the head, and a
right-hand to the chin.
In Round 8, Mildenberger slammed his head into Cooper's right-eye, which opened a nasty gash which
dripped blood immediately.
About '1-Minute' later the German came in head-first again. This time the Referee 'disqualified' Mildenberger
at {2:58} of Round 8.
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Henry Cooper >
"There will be no rematch. What for, I'm stepping up now. I'll either fight WBA Champion - Jimmy Ellis or
defend my '3' Belts against Billy Walker."
"I'm out for greener pastures. My time has come for a World Championship opportunity."
Karl Mildenberger >
"I hope Henry will reconsider, and offer me a rematch. I will ask him 'not' to rule out a return match. If I can't
get a return match, I will probably retire.
Karl Mildenberger
Cassius Clay told me that I gave him his toughest fight. He definitely wanted to have
a rematch with me in 1967.
But he had those problems with his government, and that kind of stalled everything. I
was hoping he could get a waiver or something, to allow him one more bout. But that
fell apart after he made bad remarks about the U.S. Military.
The 'secret' to beating Clay, was to pressure him fast, and keep your hands going. He
needed time to set up. If you waited, he would strike.
My problem, was that I just didn't punch hard enough. I had no problem hitting him,
as his defense was not that good at all.
But, he had those long tree branch-like arms. And, he caught me coming in several
times.
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Caroline Munro
Hold on there Mr. Master.
Are you aware that Raquel Welch had plastic surgery, on her face and legs. And those 'puppies'
aren't real. Those are 'silicone filled'.
And that photo, is air-brushed. She ain't that tight.
As for me, I'm 100% Pure............... And I ain't 'Horsen' around.
"Giddyup'
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Raquel Welch is pure she was around before plastic surgery. Stop making this stuff up.
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Caroline Munro
"Hey Master. Everybody in Hollywood knew that Raquel was a 'plastic doll'. Those
legs were worked on by Dr. Kildare."
"And the breasts, those look like the work of Dr. Marcus Welby."
"And the face, Oh the face. Dr. Joe Gannon of 'The Medical Center' did the make-over."
"And, drink Lamb's Navy Rum'."
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March 1969
Karl Mildenberger
Karl had amassed a 'small fortune' in fight purse winnings, and accumulated $200,000
in the bank as of March 1969.
But, back-to-back losses in '1968' to {L KO 7} Leotis Martin and {L Disq. 8} to Henry Cooper dropped
Karl down to #18 World Ratings.
The quest for a rematch with Cassius Clay was now 'long gone', and despite a record of
53-6-3, Karl was considered 'ringworn' and fragile material after '62-bouts'.
The issue, is that Karl has been down '14-Times' in his last 8-Bouts over the past 2-Years. The ability
to take a good punch is not there anymore.
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Karl Mildenberger >
"I could fight Gerhard Zech again. That would be a 3rd-time. I have been offered $25,000
for the bout. But what sense would it make. Another win over Gerhard isn't going to move me
up the Heavyweight Ladder.
Also, the 'new' German Champion - Peter Weiland has called me out. Though Weiland is not
in my 'class', I could fight him for National Pride. But the fight purse offering has been
'miniscule' to fight him.
And Juergen Blin has added {talked about} some interest in fighting me. That would be
an entertaining bout, as Juergen comes to fight.
We'll see. I am going to think about it for awhile, and make my decision in another 2-or-3 Months.
I'm still in the Gym 5-Days a Week, just to stay in shape. Nothing too intense, just some
light-sparring and physical conditioning.
Friday ~ July 11, 1969
Kaiserslautern, West Germany
~ Karl Mildenberger Retires ~
Former World Title Challenger - Karl Mildenberger retires. Mildenberger {Age; 31 years, 7 months} decided
on hanging up the gloves, after contemplating the decision over the past 2-months, while in training in
Kaiserslautern, Germany.
Karl had been planning on a 'comeback bout' for late-July, but decided against it after not feeling comfortable
in the Ring during his recent sparring-sessions.
Karl Mildenberger >
"Physically, I'm fine. But mentally, I feel that I wasn't giving 100%. I was just going through the motions
during my sparring-sessions. I believe that I have lost the 'desire' to fight, and the motivation is just not there.
That tells me that it is time to 'hang-up' the gloves."
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The southpaw German compiled a record of > 53-6-3 in '62-Bouts' spanning over 11 years
since turning professional on October 15, 1958.
'Milde' will go down as the fighter who gave Cassius Clay his toughest bout.
Many gave said that Karl Mildenberger devised 'The Formula' on how to defeat Cassius Clay.
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