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Re: Gennady Golovkin vs. Kell Brook
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WTF was that stoppage?
Did Brook's corner stop the fight because they though Brook might get knocked down?
He was still landing, and defending himself for the most part. Not to mention he was probably up on most everybody's cards.
No way should he have been up!
1 round is all he should have had!
He was also not "still landing" he was getting hit with everything, wasnt really defending himself properly and not fighting back or even trying to survive by holding. You cant let the ref see you get get and not fight back. You have to defend yourself at all times.
What happened is what most thought would happen. Brooks speed would keep him in the fight till the mid rounds but Golovkin strength and power would take over.
If Ingle or the ref hadn't stopped it, Golovkin was about to.
Iv also heard Hearn say that if Brook was a middle he would have won. No! Brooks orbital bone was broken because he doesn't move his head. Being a middle wouldn't have helped him move his head. He also didn't either didn't have the stamina to keep up the pace he tried to set, or he tried to put too much on his punches. Golovkin takes a good shot, he regularly sparred Kovalev for 18 months and Kovalev says he has a very hard head, never seen him hurt or dropped.
I dont think his head movement is as bad as you make out. If you look back, you'll see how many of those wide arc hooks of GGG missed the target, and quite a few other shots. I also think the eye injury didn't help him avoid shots.
Just like Canelo v Khan, it doesn't matter who was ahead on points because it was never going the distance and the naturally bigger guy was always going to get on top.
The stoppage was a tad early, but I'm not the one who is in there with a beast and with a fractured eye socket. An early finish was inevitable , so no major problem there.
Hearn's comments are a bit ridiculous really. If Granny had balls , we'd call her Grandad!
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Re: Gennady Golovkin vs. Kell Brook
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Brook gave a good performance the eye damage if the socket is broken the stoppage is correct.
GGG is a tough guy but Brook showed us a blue print how to beat him but who, GGG would wipe the floor with BJS it may be time for Eubank to step up.
I said before the brook fight I believe jr would beat ggg
Jr. Wouldn't last 3 rounds. That's why they never took the fight.
Junior would go further as he is big, fast and better durability, he still would lose.
Junior hasn't got the skill to avoid GGG and GGG would walk through Junior. Either It would be a mini war while it lasted , with GGG KO'ing him, or Junior would try to be a bit cagey and because he doesn't have the skill set of Brook, he would still get KTFO. Just a case of how long Jr. Could take it as we aren't sure of his chin (please don't say he's inherited his Dad's chin, because we couldn't possibly know that.)
I have to say the 2nd round must be the best round of Brook's career all things considered. Absolutely fucking brilliant.
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Re: Gennady Golovkin vs. Kell Brook
Jr could have the beating of Golovkin!
Jr is strong and has tons of stamina. Golovkin is patient and lets the opponent work then comes back. Id be very interested to see Eubank real off those big combinations and how Golovkin deals with it.
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Re: Gennady Golovkin vs. Kell Brook
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Jr could have the beating of Golovkin!
Jr is strong and has tons of stamina. Golovkin is patient and lets the opponent work then comes back. Id be very interested to see Eubank real off those big combinations and how Golovkin deals with it.
But Jr. Has no head movement. Or does that only matter for Brook?
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Re: Gennady Golovkin vs. Kell Brook
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ross
Jr could have the beating of Golovkin!
Jr is strong and has tons of stamina. Golovkin is patient and lets the opponent work then comes back. Id be very interested to see Eubank real off those big combinations and how Golovkin deals with it.
But Jr. Has no head movement. Or does that only matter for Brook?
Jr does move his head quite a lot actually. More so his upper body. Been a few times in his fights he lets the opponent fire off shots while he slips them all showing off.
Brook comes from the ingle gym and head movement or being elusive is one of the things their fighters are known for. I think whats happened with Brook is hes been able to boil down to welter and enjoys such a strength advantage that hes fallen in love with his strength. That doesnt translate when he fights at a more natural weight though and if he had used more of the ingles style maybe hed have heard the final bell.
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ross
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Primo Carnera
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ross
Jr could have the beating of Golovkin!
Jr is strong and has tons of stamina. Golovkin is patient and lets the opponent work then comes back. Id be very interested to see Eubank real off those big combinations and how Golovkin deals with it.
But Jr. Has no head movement. Or does that only matter for Brook?
Jr does move his head quite a lot actually. More so his upper body. Been a few times in his fights he lets the opponent fire off shots while he slips them all showing off.
Brook comes from the ingle gym and head movement or being elusive is one of the things their fighters are known for. I think whats happened with Brook is hes been able to boil down to welter and enjoys such a strength advantage that hes fallen in love with his strength. That doesnt translate when he fights at a more natural weight though and if he had used more of the ingles style maybe hed have heard the final bell.
I think jr would be an interesting fight but ultimately GGG would win relatively easy, I can't see as though Jr would have enough to cause an upset.
And you are right about the upper body movement with Jr but I don't think that will win many prizes against GGG
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Re: Gennady Golovkin vs. Kell Brook
I wouldnt be sure on either winning but Golovkin wouldnt win easy. Some would say he didnt win easy last night and Eubank would in my opinion do a similar job on Brook, maybe better given that he lets his hands go more.
Im dissapointed Eubank is teading water wasting time with another British title fight. Although he thinks hes ready for the elite id like to see him fight Jacobs or Lemieux. Someone that will offer a bit of danger.
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Re: Gennady Golovkin vs. Kell Brook
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I wouldnt be sure on either winning but Golovkin wouldnt win easy. Some would say he didnt win easy last night and Eubank would in my opinion do a similar job on Brook, maybe better given that he lets his hands go more.
Im dissapointed Eubank is teading water wasting time with another British title fight. Although he thinks hes ready for the elite id like to see him fight Jacobs or Lemieux. Someone that will offer a bit of danger.
Either of them would be a great fight just to show us what level he really is at
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Re: Gennady Golovkin vs. Kell Brook
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Brook gave a good performance the eye damage if the socket is broken the stoppage is correct.
GGG is a tough guy but Brook showed us a blue print how to beat him but who, GGG would wipe the floor with BJS it may be time for Eubank to step up.
I said before the brook fight I believe jr would beat ggg
Jr. Wouldn't last 3 rounds. That's why they never took the fight.
Junior would go further as he is big, fast and better durability, he still would lose.
Junior hasn't got the skill to avoid GGG and GGG would walk through Junior. Either It would be a mini war while it lasted , with GGG KO'ing him, or Junior would try to be a bit cagey and because he doesn't have the skill set of Brook, he would still get KTFO. Just a case of how long Jr. Could take it as we aren't sure of his chin (please don't say he's inherited his Dad's chin, because we couldn't possibly know that.)
I have to say the 2nd round must be the best round of Brook's career all things considered. Absolutely fucking brilliant.
I'd venture to say Jr. would get it worse than Brook. It seems like there's no way on the internet this morning to give Brook credit without discrediting GGG or vice versa for most people, but i'm going to take a shot at it.
Brook did an amazing job. First by design and then as the fight came to a finish, by desperation. Fast hard combos with an extra 15 pounds of muscle on him. He avoid many wide shots and never missed an opportunity at a counter after a wide miss. Hoping to get some respect that stopped the bum rush. They say the cornered animal is the most dangerous. The stoppage by the corner was a dignity call. Kellerman tweeted that roy called it in between rounds that brook was giving up. His corner throwing in the towel was a way to set up brook for the courageous "im a warrior, go out on my shield" protest... but you have to agree that there was no need for brook to take any more damage that could change him when he's still got the skills to be the tops in lower division.
As for GGG, I can't say that there was validation to the illness theory as they neared the weigh in/ fight. He did look a little off and if he was sick, i doubt we would have gotten an admission before the fight. After the fight maybe, but probably from Sanchez and not GGG. I do think in the future he will fly over with more lead time to get adjusted than just a week... but for this fight if he claims to be 100%, he's essentially relinquished his rights to any excuses. That being said, so many people claiming GGG was "exposed" seem to be overlooking the fact that he was hardly trying to look like a surgeon out there. There was no picking his punches or using any ring generalship to corral brook and dissect him in a corner. It came off as more of a "im hungover and not really feelin this sh*t... Lets just bang it out so I can move the hell on..." kind of performance more than the "Big drama fight" he says he was going for. Still kudos for doing what he had to do. I'm sure with the drag in trying to find an opponent, fight abroad etc, maybe he kind of felt that way like more trouble than it might have been worth... but I'm also sure that trying to outbox a slick "cutie" from 2 divisions down that's got the speed advantage and stylistic advantage on you was probably not on his mind from the beginning. Especially after Canelos destruction of Khan. It could have been, but after the first shots were exchanged, it was too easy to go for the most direct route. If brooks firepower bothered GGG, and an adjustment was required... it would have been made and he would have started working off multiple jabs, punched for more angles and cut off the ring better.
So with Jr. being a more natural middleweight of considerable size, I think the threat posed to GGG would call for a more strategic and measured attack that exposes him less and increases his accuracy. Hence it would look more like lemieux than brook.
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Surprisingly all the brave contender's now want a go LOL.
BJS now feels he can beat GGG joke has Brook given them hope.?
Was it a bad day at the office for the Champ, or was Kell a lot better than he expected.!
I was pissed off with the crowd booing at the end of the fight.
Many pissed up heroes in the crowd nothing new, Dom was right to save his fighter from injury well done.
Kell can come again but I feel at light middle , as for GGG let's see them step up to the plate saying and doing are to different things.!
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Re: Gennady Golovkin vs. Kell Brook
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ross
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Primo Carnera
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ross
Jr could have the beating of Golovkin!
Jr is strong and has tons of stamina. Golovkin is patient and lets the opponent work then comes back. Id be very interested to see Eubank real off those big combinations and how Golovkin deals with it.
But Jr. Has no head movement. Or does that only matter for Brook?
Jr does move his head quite a lot actually. More so his upper body. Been a few times in his fights he lets the opponent fire off shots while he slips them all showing off.
Brook comes from the ingle gym and head movement or being elusive is one of the things their fighters are known for. I think whats happened with Brook is hes been able to boil down to welter and enjoys such a strength advantage that hes fallen in love with his strength. That doesnt translate when he fights at a more natural weight though and if he had used more of the ingles style maybe hed have heard the final bell.
Jr. Has no head movement whatsoever, certainly nowhere near as much as Brook. And as for this "upper body movement ", that's a different thing and it won't stop him getting KTFO. In his only "decent level" fight so far against Saunders, he lost the first 6 rounds because he had no answer to Saunders's movement and Saunders was hitting him fairly easily. In the next 6 rounds, he won about 4 of those, certainly no more out of desperation and Saunders's poor stamina.
Neither of those scenario will help him against GGG. He's too easy to hit and he doesn't hit hard enough to deter GGG from walking him down. The only thing that will keep Eubank in the fight for a bit longer is his seriously good conditioning, but getting hit harder than you've ever been hit before takes that out of you as well.
I would rather GGG tells Eubank to fuck off and fights Jacobs or Degale. Although I seriously doubt Degale gets in the ring with him.
Eubank can carry on fighting British level and maybe end up along with Saunders , conning the British public a bit more with a meaningless rematch.
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Just found out I have the undercard automatically recorded which was on sky mix channel which I did not know existed.
Conner Benn looks better than the first time I saw him. He was taking his time and looked a better puncher.
Smith looked flabby but landed a good body shots to stop his opponent.
Martin Joe Ward looked good until the channel got encrypted.
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Re: Gennady Golovkin vs. Kell Brook
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Well, I am getting quite excited about this fight.
It's true that Brooke is not only taking the toughest assignment in boxing today, but also doing it never having fought at the weight before. I understand why GGG is the prohibitive favourite as he has now reached the stage in his career when he becomes a 'crossover' fighter and attains almost mythical status within the sport while still fighting. Floyd was the same, so was Tyson, Leonard, Chavez, Curry and others.
BUT .... I've always rated Brooke as a fighter. He has elements of that very confusing Wincobank style but can also really dig with his punches. Carson Jones apart, which I think was a training aberration, he has never been really pushed in the ring and I don't think we've seen the best of him yet. He has never been outboxed or physically bullied and doesn't know what it's like to lose. He has a proven chin, proven stamina and proven skills.
Undeniably the best welterweight in the world at the moment, I believe he has always been a middleweight starving down to welter. I wouldn't be surprised if he is heavier that GGG when the bell rings. He is more heavyset that Golovkin and (not that it matters) he is more muscle bound and looks like a boxer whereas GGG is gangly and - in today's terms - a small middleweight. People are also not mentioning that GGG is not a young man anymore.
Brooke will be the best opponent that Golovkin has ever fought, fighting at home and without much pressure on him to win.
I do think GGG should be the favourite, and I am a fan of the guy .... but it's possible that Brooke is being underestimated by everyone.
I think the key will be whether Brooke can keep Golovkin respectful of him. Kel will land on GGG, no question about it. If Golovkin finds he can walk through Brooke's offence then it's all over. Conversely, everyone thinks Brooke's only chance is to outbox Golovkin .... 350 amateur fights with great Khazak trainers (his style was that of a back foot counterpuncher at the time)world and Olympic medals etc ... I would love Brooke to really stun GGG and the fight to turn into a boxing match. Casual fans would moan, but I would love to see If GGG can also win with his skills.
Well, I sort of got bits right. GGG just swarmed Brook (note spelling;D) and walked through everything he threw. It's true that Kell tagged Golovkin a few times, but it was like blowing peas at a tank. I really rate Golovkins footwork, he just cut the ring right down and didn't give Brook any room to rest or breathe.
By the fourth, Brook was getting a real pasting. There was no point letting him take more punishment (those who say different shouldn't call themselves boxing fans. If you want to see someone get executed in the ring, it should cost more than £19.95)
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Just found out I have the undercard automatically recorded which was on sky mix channel which I did not know existed.
Conner Benn looks better than the first time I saw him. He was taking his time and looked a better puncher.
Smith looked flabby but landed a good body shots to stop his opponent.
Martin Joe Ward looked good until the channel got encrypted.
Conner Benn certainly stood back and picked his punches much like his last televised fight, he seems to have calmed down a lot, still very very early days for the kid so I try not to say too much about him, he should be fighting in York hall at best rather than a PPV in the O2
Smith...not even worth talking about, he may have looked flabby (I thought the same) but I don't put a napkin on to eat a sausage sandwich either
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Re: Gennady Golovkin vs. Kell Brook
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Primo Carnera
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ross
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Primo Carnera
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ross
Jr could have the beating of Golovkin!
Jr is strong and has tons of stamina. Golovkin is patient and lets the opponent work then comes back. Id be very interested to see Eubank real off those big combinations and how Golovkin deals with it.
But Jr. Has no head movement. Or does that only matter for Brook?
Jr does move his head quite a lot actually. More so his upper body. Been a few times in his fights he lets the opponent fire off shots while he slips them all showing off.
Brook comes from the ingle gym and head movement or being elusive is one of the things their fighters are known for. I think whats happened with Brook is hes been able to boil down to welter and enjoys such a strength advantage that hes fallen in love with his strength. That doesnt translate when he fights at a more natural weight though and if he had used more of the ingles style maybe hed have heard the final bell.
Jr. Has no head movement whatsoever, certainly nowhere near as much as Brook. And as for this "upper body movement ", that's a different thing and it won't stop him getting KTFO. In his only "decent level" fight so far against Saunders, he lost the first 6 rounds because he had no answer to Saunders's movement and Saunders was hitting him fairly easily. In the next 6 rounds, he won about 4 of those, certainly no more out of desperation and Saunders's poor stamina.
Neither of those scenario will help him against GGG. He's too easy to hit and he doesn't hit hard enough to deter GGG from walking him down. The only thing that will keep Eubank in the fight for a bit longer is his seriously good conditioning, but getting hit harder than you've ever been hit before takes that out of you as well.
I would rather GGG tells Eubank to fuck off and fights Jacobs or Degale. Although I seriously doubt Degale gets in the ring with him.
Eubank can carry on fighting British level and maybe end up along with Saunders , conning the British public a bit more with a meaningless rematch.
Dint you talk some shit!
Saunders was not hitting him easily at all. Saunders barely did hit him. Saunders did very little in that fight especially the last half!
You think what you want, I know what I see and just like Fury v Wlad ill be right again;)
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Re: Gennady Golovkin vs. Kell Brook
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The problem is that people are talking as if Brook was the obvious best welter. He was most likely the best but didn't clearly prove it. If Brook fought and beat 3 top 5 guys at welter, then I would be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. He beat Porter. That's all. That was his defining win.
And just going by the eye test, he isn't on the same level as GGG let alone he is jumping up two weight classes to fight him.
So true.
Not even the best at 147..
Floyd - retired?
Pac
Garcia
Bradley
Thurman, Khan, brook - same level
Porter
Broner
PS:- Errol Spence could completely upset the list above.!
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Re: Gennady Golovkin vs. Kell Brook
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Primo Carnera
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ross
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ross
Jr could have the beating of Golovkin!
Jr is strong and has tons of stamina. Golovkin is patient and lets the opponent work then comes back. Id be very interested to see Eubank real off those big combinations and how Golovkin deals with it.
But Jr. Has no head movement. Or does that only matter for Brook?
Jr does move his head quite a lot actually. More so his upper body. Been a few times in his fights he lets the opponent fire off shots while he slips them all showing off.
Brook comes from the ingle gym and head movement or being elusive is one of the things their fighters are known for. I think whats happened with Brook is hes been able to boil down to welter and enjoys such a strength advantage that hes fallen in love with his strength. That doesnt translate when he fights at a more natural weight though and if he had used more of the ingles style maybe hed have heard the final bell.
Jr. Has no head movement whatsoever, certainly nowhere near as much as Brook. And as for this "upper body movement ", that's a different thing and it won't stop him getting KTFO. In his only "decent level" fight so far against Saunders, he lost the first 6 rounds because he had no answer to Saunders's movement and Saunders was hitting him fairly easily. In the next 6 rounds, he won about 4 of those, certainly no more out of desperation and Saunders's poor stamina.
Neither of those scenario will help him against GGG. He's too easy to hit and he doesn't hit hard enough to deter GGG from walking him down. The only thing that will keep Eubank in the fight for a bit longer is his seriously good conditioning, but getting hit harder than you've ever been hit before takes that out of you as well.
I would rather GGG tells Eubank to fuck off and fights Jacobs or Degale. Although I seriously doubt Degale gets in the ring with him.
Eubank can carry on fighting British level and maybe end up along with Saunders , conning the British public a bit more with a meaningless rematch.
Dint you talk some shit!
Saunders was not hitting him easily at all. Saunders barely did hit him. Saunders did very little in that fight especially the last half!
You think what you want, I know what I see and just like Fury v Wlad ill be right again;)
Ha! I see you're still dining off that one prediction!:rolleyes: Saunders clearly landed more than Eubank otherwise he wouldn't have beat him. ;D
Oh , wait a minute , cue the "well one judge never thought he won!" Boo hoo hoo! :D
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Can we all at least admit GGGs defense is awful because he has 0 head movement or do we deny the obvious because GGG???
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Can we all at least admit GGGs defense is awful because he has 0 head movement or do we deny the obvious because GGG???
He doesn't need to worry about defense..his defense is his head.
A bigger, better boxer will exploite this..
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Re: Gennady Golovkin vs. Kell Brook
GGG has the best head movement in boxing, he has just decided not to use it until he is in a big drama show.
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Can we all at least admit GGGs defense is awful because he has 0 head movement or do we deny the obvious because GGG???
His defense is his biggest weakness, but fortunately he has a solid chin. He can take a punch to give a punch which has worked out for him thus far. You can't be good at everything.
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Re: Gennady Golovkin vs. Kell Brook
GGGs defence looked worse that it ever has but brook is a very skillful accurate puncher
GGG said he didn't feel brooks punches, well if that is the case he is one hard bastard, he landed cleanly a number of times, ive seen a video on twitter of one of brooks punches lifting golovkin off the floor
its a pity about the eye injury, I think that was the turning point, I think wed have got at least another couple of rounds if it hadn't have happened, brook kind of went into his shell after that
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Can we all at least admit GGGs defense is awful because he has 0 head movement or do we deny the obvious because GGG???
His defense is his biggest weakness, but fortunately he has a solid chin. He can take a punch to give a punch which has worked out for him thus far. You can't be good at everything.
Floyd is good at everything.
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Can we all at least admit GGGs defense is awful because he has 0 head movement or do we deny the obvious because GGG???
His defense is his biggest weakness, but fortunately he has a solid chin. He can take a punch to give a punch which has worked out for him thus far. You can't be good at everything.
Floyd is good at everything.
he's not very good at having watchable fights
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Can we all at least admit GGGs defense is awful because he has 0 head movement or do we deny the obvious because GGG???
His defense is his biggest weakness, but fortunately he has a solid chin. He can take a punch to give a punch which has worked out for him thus far. You can't be good at everything.
Floyd is good at everything.
he's not very good at having watchable fights
I completely disagree Eric.
If it's not watchable why does every boxing fan tune in to watch..surely everyone can't expect him to to loose.
Even in retirement, everyone is pleading for him to return..must be something that's watchable about him.
He outclassed a young undefeated prime canelo at the weight canelo suggested.
He beats a faster and more powerful pacquio..with ease.
Boxing is exciting right now and there are lots of great fights to be made so there's no need for floyd to return, but the sweet science is what floyd is all about when he is in action.
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propaganda
I'm not pleading for him to return
he beat canelo in a shit fight and he beat pac in a shit fight, neither canelo nor pac were to blame for the shitness of the fights
yeah he is good but his fights are shit
hes very lucky that through his career American boxing was at a low in terms of talent and he was the only really good fighter they had
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Eric thats rubbish!
Of course it was Canelo and Pacquiaos fault. Mayweather didnt run, in the most he stood in front of them. It was there inability to think, adapt, catch him that let down peoples expectations of what they thought those fighters could do.
People resent Mayweather because he can make good fighters look shit.
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I dunno mate
if you take all three fighters last 10 fights
Floyd 10 fights 10 snoozers
canelo 10 fights 1 snoozer
pac 10 fights 1 snoozer
kind of suggestive?
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Eric thats rubbish!
Of course it was Canelo and Pacquiaos fault. Mayweather didnt run, in the most he stood in front of them. It was there inability to think, adapt, catch him that let down peoples expectations of what they thought those fighters could do.
People resent Mayweather because he can make good fighters look shit.
Bang on the money.
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I dunno mate
if you take all three fighters last 10 fights
Floyd 10 fights 10 snoozers
canelo 10 fights 1 snoozer
pac 10 fights 1 snoozer
kind of suggestive?
Proves my point.
Mayweather is head and shoulders above those he fought.
The only real challenge out there for him would be to try and beat Golovkin.
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erics44
I dunno mate
if you take all three fighters last 10 fights
Floyd 10 fights 10 snoozers
canelo 10 fights 1 snoozer
pac 10 fights 1 snoozer
kind of suggestive?
Proves my point.
Mayweather is head and shoulders above those he fought.
The only real challenge out there for him would be to try and beat Golovkin.
it doesn't prove your point
I said mayweather was in shit fights, you said I was talking rubbish
so to summarise - youre point was that I was talking rubbish saying mayweather was in shit fights
then I suggested his last 10 fights were shit and you just agreed
so 1 nil Eric
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propaganda
I'm not pleading for him to return
he beat canelo in a shit fight and he beat pac in a shit fight, neither canelo nor pac were to blame for the shitness of the fights
yeah he is good but his fights are shit
hes very lucky that through his career American boxing was at a low in terms of talent and he was the only really good fighter they had
So who is watchable in your opinion?
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Re: Gennady Golovkin vs. Kell Brook
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I've just watched the fight back, I think I got a little taken in by the athmosphere and by Brooks effort.
Even when Brook landed his biggest shots they just bounced of GGG, he wasn't hurt once, he was walking through Brooks punches and loading up on both the head and body of Brook, Kell took the shots at the start but by the 5th it was a case of job done, watching it back I don't actually think it was that bad of a stoppage, Brook had absolutely nothing to give.
First thing GGG said 'he's not a middleweight' couldn't agree more
Kell say's 'I didn't feel his power...in the second rd he fractured my eye socket'
Kell made himself sound like a bit of a fool at the end, trying to make out that he was completely in control and was hurting GGG but not getting hurt himself, come on Kell, you can't blame that on solely on your eye, you was getting beat up.
Someone elsewhere said; "You should never suck on the green whistle and then make a statement".
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I'm not pleading for him to return
he beat canelo in a shit fight and he beat pac in a shit fight, neither canelo nor pac were to blame for the shitness of the fights
yeah he is good but his fights are shit
hes very lucky that through his career American boxing was at a low in terms of talent and he was the only really good fighter they had
So who is watchable in your opinion?
lots and lots of fighters
If you enjoy mayweathers fights that's fine
I just think they are shit, yes you could argue its because he is so good or you could argue its because he runs, im not really arsed either way, I just find them a little bit boring and unenjoyable events
and if you are about to accuse me of not appreciating the sweet science, then I don't agree with that either, i think he lands just enough to win rounds
i'm a boxing fan and i like to see people punched in the face a lot more often than the regularity that people are punched in the face in mayweather fights
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propaganda
I'm not pleading for him to return
he beat canelo in a shit fight and he beat pac in a shit fight, neither canelo nor pac were to blame for the shitness of the fights
yeah he is good but his fights are shit
hes very lucky that through his career American boxing was at a low in terms of talent and he was the only really good fighter they had
So who is watchable in your opinion?
lots and lots of fighters
If you enjoy mayweathers fights that's fine
I just think they are shit, yes you could argue its because he is so good or you could argue its because he runs, im not really arsed either way, I just find them a little bit boring and unenjoyable events
and if you are about to accuse me of not appreciating the sweet science, then I don't agree with that either, i think he lands just enough to win rounds
i'm a boxing fan and i like to see people punched in the face a lot more often than the regularity that people are punched in the face in mayweather fights
So Floyd needs to get punched in the face more for you to enjoy it? I think Floyd punches the opposition in the face enough. In fact, in the Pacquiao fight, after the first couple of rounds , Pac got hesitant after he felt Floyd's punches. Everyone says he's got no power, but I think he's got enough to make people think twice about walking him down.
The art is to hit and not get hit, and he does that better than anyone else in recent times.
Strange how Ali never used to get accused of running in his prime, but hey ho.
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Can we all at least admit GGGs defense is awful because he has 0 head movement or do we deny the obvious because GGG???
His defense is his biggest weakness, but fortunately he has a solid chin. He can take a punch to give a punch which has worked out for him thus far. You can't be good at everything.
Floyd is good at everything.
I'm not sure if that's sarcastic or not but he doesn't have great power (even at lighter weights) and has trouble when fighters really pressure him against the ropes.
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Ali was always accused of being a runner with no power. He was criticised for fighting hand picked opposition, for being open to a left hook, for leaning back from punches and for having no heart.
This lasted until after he was heavyweight champ. The Liston fights made believers of some people but it was only a couple of years after that the criticism of him as a fighter died down.
Of course, h then had about five years criticism for his politics and for his personality and character outside the ring.
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Can we all at least admit GGGs defense is awful because he has 0 head movement or do we deny the obvious because GGG???
His defense is his biggest weakness, but fortunately he has a solid chin. He can take a punch to give a punch which has worked out for him thus far. You can't be good at everything.
Floyd is good at everything.
I'm not sure if that's sarcastic or not but he doesn't have great power (even at lighter weights) and has trouble when fighters really pressure him against the ropes.
Come on powerpuncher!
Don't sound like everyone else!
Really? Power?!
49 opponents and probably 40 of those opponents had more power than floyd...stop nit picking..accept the reality and realise that skills win fights and a great boxer beats a great fighter everytime.
JC was a great boxer and beat everyone...including loads of opponents that had more power than him..Andre ward is the same.
After Andre beats kovalev and drops a few pounds to destroy GGG we can have this discussion again and what power made to these undefeated legends.!
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powerpuncher
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Ron Swanson
Can we all at least admit GGGs defense is awful because he has 0 head movement or do we deny the obvious because GGG???
His defense is his biggest weakness, but fortunately he has a solid chin. He can take a punch to give a punch which has worked out for him thus far. You can't be good at everything.
Floyd is good at everything.
I'm not sure if that's sarcastic or not but he doesn't have great power (even at lighter weights) and has trouble when fighters really pressure him against the ropes.
Come on powerpuncher!
Don't sound like everyone else!
Really? Power?!
49 opponents and probably 40 of those opponents had more power than floyd...stop nit picking..accept the reality and realise that skills win fights and a great boxer beats a great fighter everytime.
JC was a great boxer and beat everyone...including loads of opponents that had more power than him..Andre ward is the same.
After Andre beats kovalev and drops a few pounds to destroy GGG we can have this discussion again and what power made to these undefeated legends.!
I'm confused. My point is that everyone has a weakness. I agree that Floyd is great and that his lack of power was made up for by his various other skills. Maybe I was just confused by your comment that Floyd is good at everything. I mean, you just admitted that most of his opponents had more power than him right?
So I'm going to say we agree but somehow got misinterpreted
