Looking back at old controversial fights.... (Updated) Jones vs. Tarver I

I said this on another thread here a while ago but Al Bernstein said he scored the fight for Hagler because he outlanded (and specifically landed more jabs than) Leonard - if Leonard's meant to be the boxer in the fight, how can he be outjabbed?

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Originally Posted by littledave

I said this on another thread here a while ago but Al Bernstein said he scored the fight for Hagler because he outlanded (and specifically landed more jabs than) Leonard - if Leonard's meant to be the boxer in the fight, how can he be outjabbed?

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4/6/87 ­ RAY LEONARD W 12 MARVIN HAGLER – Leonard returned from 3 year layoff to challenge Hagler, making 13th defense of middleweight championship. Ray got to Marvin's head in pre-fight buildup. Leonard, fearing a huge Hagler attack in round 1, instead only saw 16 punches from Hagler, who chose to fight from orthodox stance. Ray outpunched Hagler in rounds 1-4, built up a lead and held on for one of boxing's biggest upsets

is there compubox saying that hagler landed more jabs because i dont believe that hagler didnt land much really neither did leonard but he did make hagler miss quite alot

anyway sweetpea ill watch this fight soon and give you my scorecard liking this thread mate cc

rd1 leonard 10-9
rd2 leonard 10-9
rd3 leonard 10-9
rd4 leonard 10-9
rd5 hagler 10-9 leonard was winning this round but hagler done alot of work in last 30 seconds to win it
rd6 leonard 10-9 leonard landed more classy shots and made hagler miss a hell of alot
rd7 halger 10-9
rd8 hagler 10-9
rd9 excellent round leonard done good with combos trying to comeback but hagler won round 10-9
rd10 hagler 10-9
rd11 hagler 10-9
rd12 leonard 10-9 i dont know combos won me over they were flashy quick and good quality punches

114-114 oh my god not another draw lol


and ps i would like to do holmes vs michael spinks 2 in future sweetpea thanks

ROUND 1 Leonard
ROUND 2 Even
ROUND 3 Leonard
ROUND 4 Hagler
ROUND 5 Hagler
ROUND 6 Leonard
ROUND 7 Hagler
ROUND 8 Hagler
ROUND 9 Hagler
ROUND 10 Hagler
ROUND 11 Hagler
ROUND 12 Even

117-113 Hagler

To this day this verdict shocks me. Leonard fought scared the whole fight. It was smoke and mirrors all night for Leonard and the judges fell for it.

Man I wish I had this fight on the comp. I've seen it a few times but not on my comp. My uncle has it on tape though.

I talked to James Barger, the sports editor for a newspaper out here, he was working in Miami and was ringside for the fight. He said when Hagler landed a shot, it sounded like a gunshot. Whenever Leonard would land it was just a "tsk", and that by the end of the 12 rounds, Leonard fans were CRYING in the crowd.

I scored it almost the same way as VD I'm pretty sure, with the even rounds going to Leonard. Still a Hagler fight.

I gave the fight to Leonard when I saw it. Close rounds.

Last time I scored it I had it 115-113 for Hagler, a lot closer than what I remembered from watching it live on TV. I remember when they announced SRL as the winner I about fell out of my chair, I couldnt believe they did Hagler that way. Thought it then and still think it, Leonard ran all night, never even tried to plant and throw. Anytime Hagler got close SRL threw some slap shots and ran. I have the fight on my computer but cant stand to watch it. This fight is one of the reason I dont like Leonard.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

ROUND 1 Leonard
ROUND 2 Even
ROUND 3 Leonard
ROUND 4 Hagler
ROUND 5 Hagler
ROUND 6 Leonard
ROUND 7 Hagler
ROUND 8 Hagler
ROUND 9 Hagler
ROUND 10 Hagler
ROUND 11 Hagler
ROUND 12 Even

117-113 Hagler

To this day this verdict shocks me. Leonard fought scared the whole fight. It was smoke and mirrors all night for Leonard and the judges fell for it.

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That is the smartest thing I've ever seen written by Violent D. CC for VD :) 100% correct.

I'll add this, though - Hagler should have been busier. He should have been smart enough to know that judges fall for Leonard's round-stealing jedi mindtricks. He let it be too close.

I remember it as though it was over 20 years ago, I was there I did money betting on Hagler. My reason Leonard had been out for some time, my pick was Hagler 8 rds being an Arum show, We got it wrong. I blame Hagler for deciding to box orthadox the first few rds and playing catchup the remainder of the fight crazy brought on by overconfidence no doubt Leonard found his distance Hagler didnt. At the time there was no mention of robbery by the majoraty of the press or fight fraternity

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

ROUND 1 Leonard
ROUND 2 Even
ROUND 3 Leonard
ROUND 4 Hagler
ROUND 5 Hagler
ROUND 6 Leonard
ROUND 7 Hagler
ROUND 8 Hagler
ROUND 9 Hagler
ROUND 10 Hagler
ROUND 11 Hagler
ROUND 12 Even

117-113 Hagler

To this day this verdict shocks me. Leonard fought scared the whole fight. It was smoke and mirrors all night for Leonard and the judges fell for it.

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I like that saying alot ! :coolclick: #444 very cool ! O0

Hey guys I must appologize that I do not have round by round scoring, but I do know that I scored it 6, 5, and 1 even for Ray Leonard. Very close fight that really could have gone either way. One thing that is for sure is that there should have been a rematch. And IMO in a rematch Hagler would have ate him up.

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

Hey guys I must appologize that I do not have round by round scoring, but I do know that I scored it 6, 5, and 1 even for Ray Leonard. Very close fight that really could have gone either way. One thing that is for sure is that there should have been a rematch. And IMO in a rematch Hagler would have ate him up.

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havent you got the fight bro ?? because i could put it up for you get back to me

SRL vs. Hagler
Heres the complete fight..... I just finished watching it.

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SRL: 1,2,3,4,6,11 = 115
HAGLER: 5,7,8,9,12 = 114
*Rd. 10 - even (10-10)

I watched rd. 10 like 5 fucken times and it was just too close to call, what I don't get is someone here in a earlier post said rd. 'whatever' was too close to call BUT I still gave it to 'whomever'..... OK if it was that close then you should score it an even rd.....


BIG H, Guess what?
Same scores again..... :o :)

| 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | total

Hagler | 9 | 9 | 10 | 9 | 10 | 9 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 9 | 10 | 115
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Leonard | 10 | 10 | 9 | 10 | 9 | 10 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 10 | 10 | 9 | 114

Hagler 115-114

Real close fight. I think it's one of those fights where either guy could've won and there wouldn't be a huge argument either way. I have no idea how the one judge had it 118-110 for Leonard, but you could score it 7 rounds to 5 for either guy. Hagler made a huge mistake by not attacking the body early and he let Leonard build up a lead.