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ElTerribleMorales
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PacBoxer
I asked when was JMM considered a lineal/ring champ at 126... Currently that title is vacant and the last lineal/ring champ at 126 is Manny Pacquiao... You can't changed fact from record books with your own personal opinion... It's so bad and insane Mr. Erik...;D Please stop that... :lolhaha:
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:-\ dude is smoking crack, and you're talking to me about changing facts? (which i haven't), who was it that claimed on numerous occasions that Manny has held 4 lineal/Ring titles? oh yea that was you, the biggest joke on the forum
Huh? You want to be OWNED again... Yes I announced here that PAC is a 4-time lineal champ and I based it from the article of writer Cliff Rold who also based it from record books... (
Cliff Rold is a member of the Ring Magazine Ratings Advisory Panel and the Boxing Writers Association of America)
Many boxing writers and boxing publications recognized PAC as a 4-time lineal champ... It's not only me...;D
Here's PAC 4 lineal titles:
World Flyweight – KO 8 Chatchai Sasakul: Turned professional at age 16 with a points win over Edmund Ignacio on January 22, 1995, Pacquiao would amass a record of 23-1 en route to his first major title win on December 4, 1999. The WBC recognized Sasakul as champion after a surprising upset of previous conqueror and long-time champion Yuri Arbachakov in 1997.
History also recognized Sasakul as king.
The WBC belt then, and still, also runs parallel to the lineal World championship at Flyweight all the way back to the reign of Miguel Canto. Fittingly, it took a championship bomb to begin Pacquiao’s collection of Gold. The more experienced Sasakul counter punched and outslicked the taller Pacquiao for much of the bout, though the youngster was never out of the fight. Pacquiao at 19 was much more a one-handed fighter then versus the better all-around warrior he’s become under the tutelage of Freddie Roach. Even then, that one hand, the left, was enough if it landed. It did and Sasakul was relieved of the top honors at 112 lbs.
There was one Flyweight during the reign of Arbachakov and later Sasakul who could make a strong case against recognizing the validity of recognizing their lineal claims to the top, but American Mark “Too Sharp” Johnson had moved up to capture gold at 115 lbs. some eight months before Pacquiao’s ascension.
Forecast: Clear, Lineal Claim to the World Title
World Featherweight – TKO 11 Marco Antonio Barrera: If the Ledwaba win was eye-opening, the Barrera win on November 15, 2003 probably left some scratched corneas in its wake as viewers wondered if they were really seeing what unfolded. Besides a hasty knockdown call against Pacquiao early on, it was all Manny as he dished out a beating against a man already regarded as a future Hall of Famer.
Unable to blunt the advantage in speed held by the Filipino, Barrera resorted to blatant fouls as the fight wore on despite numerous warnings from the official. It was enough to speculate about whether Barrera was trying to be disqualified. The poor display of character compounded an awful night finally ended by the corner when even broken rules couldn’t break the tide.
There are some who for various reasons refuse to recognize Pacquiao’s claim to the Featherweight crown, some out of ignorance, many because there was no alphabelt attached and/or because the only notable title attached was the editorially administered Ring Magazine belt.
They are all wrong.
One can view the lineage of the World Featherweight crown won that night as descending from Eusebio Pedroza in the mid-1980s. If not there, Boxing Scene’s Jake Donovan reminded in his recent series on lineal titles that
Those with even a basic understanding of what makes a definitive leader could easily identify Naseem Hamed’s body of work in the mid-to-late 1990’s. Only sanctioning body politics stood in the way of Hamed owning all of the featherweight real estate. Wins over Steve Robinson, Tom “Boom Boom” Johnson, Wilfredo Vazquez and Cesar Soto came at a time when all were either titlists or fresh from being stripped for no good reason.
There was also Barrera’s second win over Erik Morales for the Ring title as the magazine managed to catch up their own historical recognition of Pedroza, this coming after Barrera had already mangled Hamed for lineal rights. No matter where the start point is identified, the history all ended up on the same waist and Pacquiao became the first man to officially capture the lineal World Flyweight and Featherweight crowns.
Forecast: Clear, Lineal Claim to the World Title
World Jr. Lightweight – SD12 Juan Manuel Marquez: Ironically, the path leading to Pacquiao’s third world title would begin and end with the same foe. In his first defense of the Featherweight crown in April 2004, Pacquiao dropped Marquez, then the WBA and IBF titlist at 126 lbs, thrice en route to a draw which still provokes debate. The rematch seemed obvious but was not immediate. Instead Pacquiao would head up the scale four pounds for his only loss to date outside the Flyweight arena. Over twelve, he was outboxed and outfoxed in what may have been the last great performance from Erik Morales. The loss would be avenged twice by stoppage. Another decision victory over Marco Antonio Barrera, who had lost his WBC Jr. Lightweight title to Marquez one fight earlier, set up the rematch nearly four years in the making on March 15, 2008.
It was worth the wait. A third-round knockdown would provide Pacquiao a single point edge on the scorecard of judge Tom Miller to avoid yet another draw in yet another classic encounter. Going into the bout, the Ring had announced they would recognize the winner as champion and it was the right choice. The gap between Pacquiao and Marquez, and almost everyone else at 130 (save, maybe, Joan Guzman), was such that the winner could be recognized as nothing less than the division’s first true World Champion since Floyd Mayweather departed in 2002. As had been the case one division lower, Pacquiao was the first to officially add this divisional crown to a career begun with 112 lb. laurels.
Forecast: Clear, Lineal Claim to the World Title
World Jr. Welterweight – KO2 Ricky Hatton:
Long time man at 140 lbs. Ricky Hatton was KO'ed cold in the 2nd round by Manny Pacquiao...
Forecast: Clear, Lineal Claim to the World Title