Slow ticket sales for Mayweather-JMM fight

[ElTerribleMorales]

Did you remember you was OWNED here (by me ) when you claimed JMM hold a lineal title at 126??

To help you remember it, here's the link --> http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...00-post15.html

umm no, all you did was try to deny the fact that Marquez was considered the man at 126 after Pacquiao only managed to score a draw and ran up to 130, and looked up and Pacquiao has only held 3 lineal titles/Ring titles, FACT

When you claimed that a certain boxer holds a lineal title, sane persons would have based it from the history record books... It's insane and senseless to claim boxer so and so is a lineal champ according to your own opinion only... It doesn't work that way and if you pursue it, you would just become a laughing stock in discussion forums since that way everybody can just claim that boxer so and so has 5, 6, 7 lineal titles... We have record books for that purpose...

When PAC and JMM met the first time, PAC was the 126 lineal champ and JMM the IBF/WBA 126 champ... The fight was scored officially a draw and each boxer kept their titles... PAC moved up to 130 after that and the lineal title was declared vacant up to now... It will only be filled up again if the #1 guy at 126 will fight the #2 or #3 guy for the lineal championship...

It's a fact, JMM was not recognized to hold a lineal title at 126 (featherweight division)...
.

and if you wanna go by the it's FACT that Pacquiao's only held 3 lineal/Ring championships, not 4 like you've claimed, Ring Magazine recognized Marquez as the top fighter at 126 before his controversial loss to John, and no one's a bigger laughing stock on here than you, so no worries here

[XaduBoxer]

umm no, all you did was try to deny the fact that Marquez was considered the man at 126 after Pacquiao only managed to score a draw and ran up to 130, and looked up and Pacquiao has only held 3 lineal titles/Ring titles, FACT

When you claimed that a certain boxer holds a lineal title, sane persons would have based it from the history record books... It's insane and senseless to claim boxer so and so is a lineal champ according to your own opinion only... It doesn't work that way and if you pursue it, you would just become a laughing stock in discussion forums since that way everybody can just claim that boxer so and so has 5, 6, 7 lineal titles... We have record books for that purpose...

When PAC and JMM met the first time, PAC was the 126 lineal champ and JMM the IBF/WBA 126 champ... The fight was scored officially a draw and each boxer kept their titles... PAC moved up to 130 after that and the lineal title was declared vacant up to now... It will only be filled up again if the #1 guy at 126 will fight the #2 or #3 guy for the lineal championship...

It's a fact, JMM was not recognized to hold a lineal title at 126 (featherweight division)...
.

and if you wanna go by the it's FACT that Pacquiao's only held 3 lineal/Ring championships, not 4 like you've claimed, Ring Magazine recognized Marquez as the top fighter at 126 before his controversial loss to John, and no one's a bigger laughing stock on here than you, so no worries here

I asked when was JMM considered a lineal/ring champ at 126... Currently that title is vacant and the last lineal/ring champ at 126 is Manny Pacquiao... You can't changed fact from record books with your own personal opinion... It's so bad and insane Mr. Erik... Please stop that...
.

[rialex]

umm no, all you did was try to deny the fact that Marquez was considered the man at 126 after Pacquiao only managed to score a draw and ran up to 130, and looked up and Pacquiao has only held 3 lineal titles/Ring titles, FACT

When you claimed that a certain boxer holds a lineal title, sane persons would have based it from the history record books... It's insane and senseless to claim boxer so and so is a lineal champ according to your own opinion only... It doesn't work that way and if you pursue it, you would just become a laughing stock in discussion forums since that way everybody can just claim that boxer so and so has 5, 6, 7 lineal titles... We have record books for that purpose...

When PAC and JMM met the first time, PAC was the 126 lineal champ and JMM the IBF/WBA 126 champ... The fight was scored officially a draw and each boxer kept their titles... PAC moved up to 130 after that and the lineal title was declared vacant up to now... It will only be filled up again if the #1 guy at 126 will fight the #2 or #3 guy for the lineal championship...

It's a fact, JMM was not recognized to hold a lineal title at 126 (featherweight division)...
.

and if you wanna go by the it's FACT that Pacquiao's only held 3 lineal/Ring championships, not 4 like you've claimed, Ring Magazine recognized Marquez as the top fighter at 126 before his controversial loss to John, and no one's a bigger laughing stock on here than you, so no worries here

[ElTerribleMorales]

When you claimed that a certain boxer holds a lineal title, sane persons would have based it from the history record books... It's insane and senseless to claim boxer so and so is a lineal champ according to your own opinion only... It doesn't work that way and if you pursue it, you would just become a laughing stock in discussion forums since that way everybody can just claim that boxer so and so has 5, 6, 7 lineal titles... We have record books for that purpose...

When PAC and JMM met the first time, PAC was the 126 lineal champ and JMM the IBF/WBA 126 champ... The fight was scored officially a draw and each boxer kept their titles... PAC moved up to 130 after that and the lineal title was declared vacant up to now... It will only be filled up again if the #1 guy at 126 will fight the #2 or #3 guy for the lineal championship...

It's a fact, JMM was not recognized to hold a lineal title at 126 (featherweight division)...
.

and if you wanna go by the it's FACT that Pacquiao's only held 3 lineal/Ring championships, not 4 like you've claimed, Ring Magazine recognized Marquez as the top fighter at 126 before his controversial loss to John, and no one's a bigger laughing stock on here than you, so no worries here

I asked when was JMM considered a lineal/ring champ at 126... Currently that title is vacant and the last lineal/ring champ at 126 is Manny Pacquiao... You can't changed fact from record books with your own personal opinion... It's so bad and insane Mr. Erik... Please stop that...
.

dude is smoking crack, and you're talking to me about changing facts? (which i haven't), who was it that claimed on numerous occasions that Manny has held 4 lineal/Ring titles? oh yea that was you, the biggest joke on the forum

[XaduBoxer]

and if you wanna go by the it's FACT that Pacquiao's only held 3 lineal/Ring championships, not 4 like you've claimed, Ring Magazine recognized Marquez as the top fighter at 126 before his controversial loss to John, and no one's a bigger laughing stock on here than you, so no worries here

I asked when was JMM considered a lineal/ring champ at 126... Currently that title is vacant and the last lineal/ring champ at 126 is Manny Pacquiao... You can't changed fact from record books with your own personal opinion... It's so bad and insane Mr. Erik... Please stop that...
.

dude is smoking crack, and you're talking to me about changing facts? (which i haven't), who was it that claimed on numerous occasions that Manny has held 4 lineal/Ring titles? oh yea that was you, the biggest joke on the forum

Huh? You want to be OWNED again... Yes I announced here that PAC is a 4-time lineal champ and I based it from the article of writer Cliff Rold who also based it from record books... (Cliff Rold is a member of the Ring Magazine Ratings Advisory Panel and the Boxing Writers Association of America)

Many boxing writers and boxing publications recognized PAC as a 4-time lineal champ... It's not only me...

Here's PAC 4 lineal titles:

World Flyweight – KO 8 Chatchai Sasakul: Turned professional at age 16 with a points win over Edmund Ignacio on January 22, 1995, Pacquiao would amass a record of 23-1 en route to his first major title win on December 4, 1999. The WBC recognized Sasakul as champion after a surprising upset of previous conqueror and long-time champion Yuri Arbachakov in 1997.
History also recognized Sasakul as king.
The WBC belt then, and still, also runs parallel to the lineal World championship at Flyweight all the way back to the reign of Miguel Canto. Fittingly, it took a championship bomb to begin Pacquiao’s collection of Gold. The more experienced Sasakul counter punched and outslicked the taller Pacquiao for much of the bout, though the youngster was never out of the fight. Pacquiao at 19 was much more a one-handed fighter then versus the better all-around warrior he’s become under the tutelage of Freddie Roach. Even then, that one hand, the left, was enough if it landed. It did and Sasakul was relieved of the top honors at 112 lbs.
There was one Flyweight during the reign of Arbachakov and later Sasakul who could make a strong case against recognizing the validity of recognizing their lineal claims to the top, but American Mark “Too Sharp” Johnson had moved up to capture gold at 115 lbs. some eight months before Pacquiao’s ascension.
Forecast: Clear, Lineal Claim to the World Title



World Featherweight – TKO 11 Marco Antonio Barrera: If the Ledwaba win was eye-opening, the Barrera win on November 15, 2003 probably left some scratched corneas in its wake as viewers wondered if they were really seeing what unfolded. Besides a hasty knockdown call against Pacquiao early on, it was all Manny as he dished out a beating against a man already regarded as a future Hall of Famer.
Unable to blunt the advantage in speed held by the Filipino, Barrera resorted to blatant fouls as the fight wore on despite numerous warnings from the official. It was enough to speculate about whether Barrera was trying to be disqualified. The poor display of character compounded an awful night finally ended by the corner when even broken rules couldn’t break the tide.
There are some who for various reasons refuse to recognize Pacquiao’s claim to the Featherweight crown, some out of ignorance, many because there was no alphabelt attached and/or because the only notable title attached was the editorially administered Ring Magazine belt.
They are all wrong.
One can view the lineage of the World Featherweight crown won that night as descending from Eusebio Pedroza in the mid-1980s. If not there, Boxing Scene’s Jake Donovan reminded in his recent series on lineal titles that
Those with even a basic understanding of what makes a definitive leader could easily identify Naseem Hamed’s body of work in the mid-to-late 1990’s. Only sanctioning body politics stood in the way of Hamed owning all of the featherweight real estate. Wins over Steve Robinson, Tom “Boom Boom” Johnson, Wilfredo Vazquez and Cesar Soto came at a time when all were either titlists or fresh from being stripped for no good reason.
There was also Barrera’s second win over Erik Morales for the Ring title as the magazine managed to catch up their own historical recognition of Pedroza, this coming after Barrera had already mangled Hamed for lineal rights. No matter where the start point is identified, the history all ended up on the same waist and Pacquiao became the first man to officially capture the lineal World Flyweight and Featherweight crowns.
Forecast: Clear, Lineal Claim to the World Title


World Jr. Lightweight – SD12 Juan Manuel Marquez: Ironically, the path leading to Pacquiao’s third world title would begin and end with the same foe. In his first defense of the Featherweight crown in April 2004, Pacquiao dropped Marquez, then the WBA and IBF titlist at 126 lbs, thrice en route to a draw which still provokes debate. The rematch seemed obvious but was not immediate. Instead Pacquiao would head up the scale four pounds for his only loss to date outside the Flyweight arena. Over twelve, he was outboxed and outfoxed in what may have been the last great performance from Erik Morales. The loss would be avenged twice by stoppage. Another decision victory over Marco Antonio Barrera, who had lost his WBC Jr. Lightweight title to Marquez one fight earlier, set up the rematch nearly four years in the making on March 15, 2008.
It was worth the wait. A third-round knockdown would provide Pacquiao a single point edge on the scorecard of judge Tom Miller to avoid yet another draw in yet another classic encounter. Going into the bout, the Ring had announced they would recognize the winner as champion and it was the right choice. The gap between Pacquiao and Marquez, and almost everyone else at 130 (save, maybe, Joan Guzman), was such that the winner could be recognized as nothing less than the division’s first true World Champion since Floyd Mayweather departed in 2002. As had been the case one division lower, Pacquiao was the first to officially add this divisional crown to a career begun with 112 lb. laurels.
Forecast: Clear, Lineal Claim to the World Title


World Jr. Welterweight – KO2 Ricky Hatton:
Long time man at 140 lbs. Ricky Hatton was KO'ed cold in the 2nd round by Manny Pacquiao...
Forecast: Clear, Lineal Claim to the World Title

[XaduBoxer]

and if you wanna go by the it's FACT that Pacquiao's only held 3 lineal/Ring championships, not 4 like you've claimed, Ring Magazine recognized Marquez as the top fighter at 126 before his controversial loss to John, and no one's a bigger laughing stock on here than you, so no worries here

I asked when was JMM considered a lineal/ring champ at 126... Currently that title is vacant and the last lineal/ring champ at 126 is Manny Pacquiao... You can't changed fact from record books with your own personal opinion... It's so bad and insane Mr. Erik... Please stop that...
.

dude is smoking crack, and you're talking to me about changing facts? (which i haven't), who was it that claimed on numerous occasions that Manny has held 4 lineal/Ring titles? oh yea that was you, the biggest joke on the forum

Show to me an actual record where JMM is considered as lineal/ring champ at 126 (featherweight)... I think there's none coz you're just manufacturing that fake claim...
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[ElTerribleMorales]

I asked when was JMM considered a lineal/ring champ at 126... Currently that title is vacant and the last lineal/ring champ at 126 is Manny Pacquiao... You can't changed fact from record books with your own personal opinion... It's so bad and insane Mr. Erik... Please stop that...
.

dude is smoking crack, and you're talking to me about changing facts? (which i haven't), who was it that claimed on numerous occasions that Manny has held 4 lineal/Ring titles? oh yea that was you, the biggest joke on the forum

Huh? You want to be OWNED again... Yes I announced here that PAC is a 4-time lineal champ and I based it from the article of writer Cliff Rold who also based it from record books... (Cliff Rold is a member of the Ring Magazine Ratings Advisory Panel and the Boxing Writers Association of America)

Many boxing writers and boxing publications recognized PAC as a 4-time lineal champ... It's not only me...

Here's PAC 4 lineal titles:

World Flyweight – KO 8 Chatchai Sasakul: Turned professional at age 16 with a points win over Edmund Ignacio on January 22, 1995, Pacquiao would amass a record of 23-1 en route to his first major title win on December 4, 1999. The WBC recognized Sasakul as champion after a surprising upset of previous conqueror and long-time champion Yuri Arbachakov in 1997.
History also recognized Sasakul as king.
The WBC belt then, and still, also runs parallel to the lineal World championship at Flyweight all the way back to the reign of Miguel Canto. Fittingly, it took a championship bomb to begin Pacquiao’s collection of Gold. The more experienced Sasakul counter punched and outslicked the taller Pacquiao for much of the bout, though the youngster was never out of the fight. Pacquiao at 19 was much more a one-handed fighter then versus the better all-around warrior he’s become under the tutelage of Freddie Roach. Even then, that one hand, the left, was enough if it landed. It did and Sasakul was relieved of the top honors at 112 lbs.
There was one Flyweight during the reign of Arbachakov and later Sasakul who could make a strong case against recognizing the validity of recognizing their lineal claims to the top, but American Mark “Too Sharp” Johnson had moved up to capture gold at 115 lbs. some eight months before Pacquiao’s ascension.
Forecast: Clear, Lineal Claim to the World Title



World Featherweight – TKO 11 Marco Antonio Barrera: If the Ledwaba win was eye-opening, the Barrera win on November 15, 2003 probably left some scratched corneas in its wake as viewers wondered if they were really seeing what unfolded. Besides a hasty knockdown call against Pacquiao early on, it was all Manny as he dished out a beating against a man already regarded as a future Hall of Famer.
Unable to blunt the advantage in speed held by the Filipino, Barrera resorted to blatant fouls as the fight wore on despite numerous warnings from the official. It was enough to speculate about whether Barrera was trying to be disqualified. The poor display of character compounded an awful night finally ended by the corner when even broken rules couldn’t break the tide.
There are some who for various reasons refuse to recognize Pacquiao’s claim to the Featherweight crown, some out of ignorance, many because there was no alphabelt attached and/or because the only notable title attached was the editorially administered Ring Magazine belt.
They are all wrong.
One can view the lineage of the World Featherweight crown won that night as descending from Eusebio Pedroza in the mid-1980s. If not there, Boxing Scene’s Jake Donovan reminded in his recent series on lineal titles that
Those with even a basic understanding of what makes a definitive leader could easily identify Naseem Hamed’s body of work in the mid-to-late 1990’s. Only sanctioning body politics stood in the way of Hamed owning all of the featherweight real estate. Wins over Steve Robinson, Tom “Boom Boom” Johnson, Wilfredo Vazquez and Cesar Soto came at a time when all were either titlists or fresh from being stripped for no good reason.
There was also Barrera’s second win over Erik Morales for the Ring title as the magazine managed to catch up their own historical recognition of Pedroza, this coming after Barrera had already mangled Hamed for lineal rights. No matter where the start point is identified, the history all ended up on the same waist and Pacquiao became the first man to officially capture the lineal World Flyweight and Featherweight crowns.
Forecast: Clear, Lineal Claim to the World Title


World Jr. Lightweight – SD12 Juan Manuel Marquez: Ironically, the path leading to Pacquiao’s third world title would begin and end with the same foe. In his first defense of the Featherweight crown in April 2004, Pacquiao dropped Marquez, then the WBA and IBF titlist at 126 lbs, thrice en route to a draw which still provokes debate. The rematch seemed obvious but was not immediate. Instead Pacquiao would head up the scale four pounds for his only loss to date outside the Flyweight arena. Over twelve, he was outboxed and outfoxed in what may have been the last great performance from Erik Morales. The loss would be avenged twice by stoppage. Another decision victory over Marco Antonio Barrera, who had lost his WBC Jr. Lightweight title to Marquez one fight earlier, set up the rematch nearly four years in the making on March 15, 2008.
It was worth the wait. A third-round knockdown would provide Pacquiao a single point edge on the scorecard of judge Tom Miller to avoid yet another draw in yet another classic encounter. Going into the bout, the Ring had announced they would recognize the winner as champion and it was the right choice. The gap between Pacquiao and Marquez, and almost everyone else at 130 (save, maybe, Joan Guzman), was such that the winner could be recognized as nothing less than the division’s first true World Champion since Floyd Mayweather departed in 2002. As had been the case one division lower, Pacquiao was the first to officially add this divisional crown to a career begun with 112 lb. laurels.
Forecast: Clear, Lineal Claim to the World Title


World Jr. Welterweight – KO2 Ricky Hatton:
Long time man at 140 lbs. Ricky Hatton was KO'ed cold in the 2nd round by Manny Pacquiao...
Forecast: Clear, Lineal Claim to the World Title

Ring Magazine hasn't had a recognized Flyweight Champion since 1989 being Yong-Kang Kim

[rialex]

I asked when was JMM considered a lineal/ring champ at 126... Currently that title is vacant and the last lineal/ring champ at 126 is Manny Pacquiao... You can't changed fact from record books with your own personal opinion... It's so bad and insane Mr. Erik... Please stop that...
.

dude is smoking crack, and you're talking to me about changing facts? (which i haven't), who was it that claimed on numerous occasions that Manny has held 4 lineal/Ring titles? oh yea that was you, the biggest joke on the forum

Huh? You want to be OWNED again... Yes I announced here that PAC is a 4-time lineal champ and I based it from the article of writer Cliff Rold who also based it from record books... (Cliff Rold is a member of the Ring Magazine Ratings Advisory Panel and the Boxing Writers Association of America)

Many boxing writers and boxing publications recognized PAC as a 4-time lineal champ... It's not only me...

Here's PAC 4 lineal titles:

World Flyweight – KO 8 Chatchai Sasakul: Turned professional at age 16 with a points win over Edmund Ignacio on January 22, 1995, Pacquiao would amass a record of 23-1 en route to his first major title win on December 4, 1999. The WBC recognized Sasakul as champion after a surprising upset of previous conqueror and long-time champion Yuri Arbachakov in 1997.
History also recognized Sasakul as king.
The WBC belt then, and still, also runs parallel to the lineal World championship at Flyweight all the way back to the reign of Miguel Canto. Fittingly, it took a championship bomb to begin Pacquiao’s collection of Gold. The more experienced Sasakul counter punched and outslicked the taller Pacquiao for much of the bout, though the youngster was never out of the fight. Pacquiao at 19 was much more a one-handed fighter then versus the better all-around warrior he’s become under the tutelage of Freddie Roach. Even then, that one hand, the left, was enough if it landed. It did and Sasakul was relieved of the top honors at 112 lbs.
There was one Flyweight during the reign of Arbachakov and later Sasakul who could make a strong case against recognizing the validity of recognizing their lineal claims to the top, but American Mark “Too Sharp” Johnson had moved up to capture gold at 115 lbs. some eight months before Pacquiao’s ascension.
Forecast: Clear, Lineal Claim to the World Title



World Featherweight – TKO 11 Marco Antonio Barrera: If the Ledwaba win was eye-opening, the Barrera win on November 15, 2003 probably left some scratched corneas in its wake as viewers wondered if they were really seeing what unfolded. Besides a hasty knockdown call against Pacquiao early on, it was all Manny as he dished out a beating against a man already regarded as a future Hall of Famer.
Unable to blunt the advantage in speed held by the Filipino, Barrera resorted to blatant fouls as the fight wore on despite numerous warnings from the official. It was enough to speculate about whether Barrera was trying to be disqualified. The poor display of character compounded an awful night finally ended by the corner when even broken rules couldn’t break the tide.
There are some who for various reasons refuse to recognize Pacquiao’s claim to the Featherweight crown, some out of ignorance, many because there was no alphabelt attached and/or because the only notable title attached was the editorially administered Ring Magazine belt.
They are all wrong.
One can view the lineage of the World Featherweight crown won that night as descending from Eusebio Pedroza in the mid-1980s. If not there, Boxing Scene’s Jake Donovan reminded in his recent series on lineal titles that
Those with even a basic understanding of what makes a definitive leader could easily identify Naseem Hamed’s body of work in the mid-to-late 1990’s. Only sanctioning body politics stood in the way of Hamed owning all of the featherweight real estate. Wins over Steve Robinson, Tom “Boom Boom” Johnson, Wilfredo Vazquez and Cesar Soto came at a time when all were either titlists or fresh from being stripped for no good reason.
There was also Barrera’s second win over Erik Morales for the Ring title as the magazine managed to catch up their own historical recognition of Pedroza, this coming after Barrera had already mangled Hamed for lineal rights. No matter where the start point is identified, the history all ended up on the same waist and Pacquiao became the first man to officially capture the lineal World Flyweight and Featherweight crowns.
Forecast: Clear, Lineal Claim to the World Title


World Jr. Lightweight – SD12 Juan Manuel Marquez: Ironically, the path leading to Pacquiao’s third world title would begin and end with the same foe. In his first defense of the Featherweight crown in April 2004, Pacquiao dropped Marquez, then the WBA and IBF titlist at 126 lbs, thrice en route to a draw which still provokes debate. The rematch seemed obvious but was not immediate. Instead Pacquiao would head up the scale four pounds for his only loss to date outside the Flyweight arena. Over twelve, he was outboxed and outfoxed in what may have been the last great performance from Erik Morales. The loss would be avenged twice by stoppage. Another decision victory over Marco Antonio Barrera, who had lost his WBC Jr. Lightweight title to Marquez one fight earlier, set up the rematch nearly four years in the making on March 15, 2008.
It was worth the wait. A third-round knockdown would provide Pacquiao a single point edge on the scorecard of judge Tom Miller to avoid yet another draw in yet another classic encounter. Going into the bout, the Ring had announced they would recognize the winner as champion and it was the right choice. The gap between Pacquiao and Marquez, and almost everyone else at 130 (save, maybe, Joan Guzman), was such that the winner could be recognized as nothing less than the division’s first true World Champion since Floyd Mayweather departed in 2002. As had been the case one division lower, Pacquiao was the first to officially add this divisional crown to a career begun with 112 lb. laurels.
Forecast: Clear, Lineal Claim to the World Title


World Jr. Welterweight – KO2 Ricky Hatton:
Long time man at 140 lbs. Ricky Hatton was KO'ed cold in the 2nd round by Manny Pacquiao...
Forecast: Clear, Lineal Claim to the World Title

whoa! that's a shit load of info brother. facts can't be denied now. i guess only dumb morons could contest that...

[ElTerribleMorales]

[XaduBoxer]

dude is smoking crack, and you're talking to me about changing facts? (which i haven't), who was it that claimed on numerous occasions that Manny has held 4 lineal/Ring titles? oh yea that was you, the biggest joke on the forum

Huh? You want to be OWNED again... Yes I announced here that PAC is a 4-time lineal champ and I based it from the article of writer Cliff Rold who also based it from record books... (Cliff Rold is a member of the Ring Magazine Ratings Advisory Panel and the Boxing Writers Association of America)

Many boxing writers and boxing publications recognized PAC as a 4-time lineal champ... It's not only me...

Here's PAC 4 lineal titles:

World Flyweight – KO 8 Chatchai Sasakul: Turned professional at age 16 with a points win over Edmund Ignacio on January 22, 1995, Pacquiao would amass a record of 23-1 en route to his first major title win on December 4, 1999. The WBC recognized Sasakul as champion after a surprising upset of previous conqueror and long-time champion Yuri Arbachakov in 1997.
History also recognized Sasakul as king.
The WBC belt then, and still, also runs parallel to the lineal World championship at Flyweight all the way back to the reign of Miguel Canto. Fittingly, it took a championship bomb to begin Pacquiao’s collection of Gold. The more experienced Sasakul counter punched and outslicked the taller Pacquiao for much of the bout, though the youngster was never out of the fight. Pacquiao at 19 was much more a one-handed fighter then versus the better all-around warrior he’s become under the tutelage of Freddie Roach. Even then, that one hand, the left, was enough if it landed. It did and Sasakul was relieved of the top honors at 112 lbs.
There was one Flyweight during the reign of Arbachakov and later Sasakul who could make a strong case against recognizing the validity of recognizing their lineal claims to the top, but American Mark “Too Sharp” Johnson had moved up to capture gold at 115 lbs. some eight months before Pacquiao’s ascension.
Forecast: Clear, Lineal Claim to the World Title



World Featherweight – TKO 11 Marco Antonio Barrera: If the Ledwaba win was eye-opening, the Barrera win on November 15, 2003 probably left some scratched corneas in its wake as viewers wondered if they were really seeing what unfolded. Besides a hasty knockdown call against Pacquiao early on, it was all Manny as he dished out a beating against a man already regarded as a future Hall of Famer.
Unable to blunt the advantage in speed held by the Filipino, Barrera resorted to blatant fouls as the fight wore on despite numerous warnings from the official. It was enough to speculate about whether Barrera was trying to be disqualified. The poor display of character compounded an awful night finally ended by the corner when even broken rules couldn’t break the tide.
There are some who for various reasons refuse to recognize Pacquiao’s claim to the Featherweight crown, some out of ignorance, many because there was no alphabelt attached and/or because the only notable title attached was the editorially administered Ring Magazine belt.
They are all wrong.
One can view the lineage of the World Featherweight crown won that night as descending from Eusebio Pedroza in the mid-1980s. If not there, Boxing Scene’s Jake Donovan reminded in his recent series on lineal titles that
Those with even a basic understanding of what makes a definitive leader could easily identify Naseem Hamed’s body of work in the mid-to-late 1990’s. Only sanctioning body politics stood in the way of Hamed owning all of the featherweight real estate. Wins over Steve Robinson, Tom “Boom Boom” Johnson, Wilfredo Vazquez and Cesar Soto came at a time when all were either titlists or fresh from being stripped for no good reason.
There was also Barrera’s second win over Erik Morales for the Ring title as the magazine managed to catch up their own historical recognition of Pedroza, this coming after Barrera had already mangled Hamed for lineal rights. No matter where the start point is identified, the history all ended up on the same waist and Pacquiao became the first man to officially capture the lineal World Flyweight and Featherweight crowns.
Forecast: Clear, Lineal Claim to the World Title


World Jr. Lightweight – SD12 Juan Manuel Marquez: Ironically, the path leading to Pacquiao’s third world title would begin and end with the same foe. In his first defense of the Featherweight crown in April 2004, Pacquiao dropped Marquez, then the WBA and IBF titlist at 126 lbs, thrice en route to a draw which still provokes debate. The rematch seemed obvious but was not immediate. Instead Pacquiao would head up the scale four pounds for his only loss to date outside the Flyweight arena. Over twelve, he was outboxed and outfoxed in what may have been the last great performance from Erik Morales. The loss would be avenged twice by stoppage. Another decision victory over Marco Antonio Barrera, who had lost his WBC Jr. Lightweight title to Marquez one fight earlier, set up the rematch nearly four years in the making on March 15, 2008.
It was worth the wait. A third-round knockdown would provide Pacquiao a single point edge on the scorecard of judge Tom Miller to avoid yet another draw in yet another classic encounter. Going into the bout, the Ring had announced they would recognize the winner as champion and it was the right choice. The gap between Pacquiao and Marquez, and almost everyone else at 130 (save, maybe, Joan Guzman), was such that the winner could be recognized as nothing less than the division’s first true World Champion since Floyd Mayweather departed in 2002. As had been the case one division lower, Pacquiao was the first to officially add this divisional crown to a career begun with 112 lb. laurels.
Forecast: Clear, Lineal Claim to the World Title


World Jr. Welterweight – KO2 Ricky Hatton:
Long time man at 140 lbs. Ricky Hatton was KO'ed cold in the 2nd round by Manny Pacquiao...
Forecast: Clear, Lineal Claim to the World Title

Ring Magazine hasn't had a recognized Flyweight Champion since 1989 being Yong-Kang Kim

Myself, MOD Mick and MOD Fenster already discussed this issue on another thread... Myself and MOD Fenster agreed that PAC is indeed a 112 (flyweight) lineal champ... You can search that thread/discussion if you want... Note: If you follow that lineage at 112 where PAC is one of the champs, it will lead to Daisuke Naito as the current 112 lineal champ... Today Naito is recognized by many boxing writers, publications and fans as the lineal champ at 112... The man beat the man, that's the lineage...
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[ElTerribleMorales]

Huh? You want to be OWNED again... Yes I announced here that PAC is a 4-time lineal champ and I based it from the article of writer Cliff Rold who also based it from record books... (Cliff Rold is a member of the Ring Magazine Ratings Advisory Panel and the Boxing Writers Association of America)

Many boxing writers and boxing publications recognized PAC as a 4-time lineal champ... It's not only me...

Here's PAC 4 lineal titles:

World Flyweight – KO 8 Chatchai Sasakul: Turned professional at age 16 with a points win over Edmund Ignacio on January 22, 1995, Pacquiao would amass a record of 23-1 en route to his first major title win on December 4, 1999. The WBC recognized Sasakul as champion after a surprising upset of previous conqueror and long-time champion Yuri Arbachakov in 1997.
History also recognized Sasakul as king.
The WBC belt then, and still, also runs parallel to the lineal World championship at Flyweight all the way back to the reign of Miguel Canto. Fittingly, it took a championship bomb to begin Pacquiao’s collection of Gold. The more experienced Sasakul counter punched and outslicked the taller Pacquiao for much of the bout, though the youngster was never out of the fight. Pacquiao at 19 was much more a one-handed fighter then versus the better all-around warrior he’s become under the tutelage of Freddie Roach. Even then, that one hand, the left, was enough if it landed. It did and Sasakul was relieved of the top honors at 112 lbs.
There was one Flyweight during the reign of Arbachakov and later Sasakul who could make a strong case against recognizing the validity of recognizing their lineal claims to the top, but American Mark “Too Sharp” Johnson had moved up to capture gold at 115 lbs. some eight months before Pacquiao’s ascension.
Forecast: Clear, Lineal Claim to the World Title



World Featherweight – TKO 11 Marco Antonio Barrera: If the Ledwaba win was eye-opening, the Barrera win on November 15, 2003 probably left some scratched corneas in its wake as viewers wondered if they were really seeing what unfolded. Besides a hasty knockdown call against Pacquiao early on, it was all Manny as he dished out a beating against a man already regarded as a future Hall of Famer.
Unable to blunt the advantage in speed held by the Filipino, Barrera resorted to blatant fouls as the fight wore on despite numerous warnings from the official. It was enough to speculate about whether Barrera was trying to be disqualified. The poor display of character compounded an awful night finally ended by the corner when even broken rules couldn’t break the tide.
There are some who for various reasons refuse to recognize Pacquiao’s claim to the Featherweight crown, some out of ignorance, many because there was no alphabelt attached and/or because the only notable title attached was the editorially administered Ring Magazine belt.
They are all wrong.
One can view the lineage of the World Featherweight crown won that night as descending from Eusebio Pedroza in the mid-1980s. If not there, Boxing Scene’s Jake Donovan reminded in his recent series on lineal titles that
Those with even a basic understanding of what makes a definitive leader could easily identify Naseem Hamed’s body of work in the mid-to-late 1990’s. Only sanctioning body politics stood in the way of Hamed owning all of the featherweight real estate. Wins over Steve Robinson, Tom “Boom Boom” Johnson, Wilfredo Vazquez and Cesar Soto came at a time when all were either titlists or fresh from being stripped for no good reason.
There was also Barrera’s second win over Erik Morales for the Ring title as the magazine managed to catch up their own historical recognition of Pedroza, this coming after Barrera had already mangled Hamed for lineal rights. No matter where the start point is identified, the history all ended up on the same waist and Pacquiao became the first man to officially capture the lineal World Flyweight and Featherweight crowns.
Forecast: Clear, Lineal Claim to the World Title


World Jr. Lightweight – SD12 Juan Manuel Marquez: Ironically, the path leading to Pacquiao’s third world title would begin and end with the same foe. In his first defense of the Featherweight crown in April 2004, Pacquiao dropped Marquez, then the WBA and IBF titlist at 126 lbs, thrice en route to a draw which still provokes debate. The rematch seemed obvious but was not immediate. Instead Pacquiao would head up the scale four pounds for his only loss to date outside the Flyweight arena. Over twelve, he was outboxed and outfoxed in what may have been the last great performance from Erik Morales. The loss would be avenged twice by stoppage. Another decision victory over Marco Antonio Barrera, who had lost his WBC Jr. Lightweight title to Marquez one fight earlier, set up the rematch nearly four years in the making on March 15, 2008.
It was worth the wait. A third-round knockdown would provide Pacquiao a single point edge on the scorecard of judge Tom Miller to avoid yet another draw in yet another classic encounter. Going into the bout, the Ring had announced they would recognize the winner as champion and it was the right choice. The gap between Pacquiao and Marquez, and almost everyone else at 130 (save, maybe, Joan Guzman), was such that the winner could be recognized as nothing less than the division’s first true World Champion since Floyd Mayweather departed in 2002. As had been the case one division lower, Pacquiao was the first to officially add this divisional crown to a career begun with 112 lb. laurels.
Forecast: Clear, Lineal Claim to the World Title


World Jr. Welterweight – KO2 Ricky Hatton:
Long time man at 140 lbs. Ricky Hatton was KO'ed cold in the 2nd round by Manny Pacquiao...
Forecast: Clear, Lineal Claim to the World Title

Ring Magazine hasn't had a recognized Flyweight Champion since 1989 being Yong-Kang Kim

Myself, MOD Mick and MOD Fenster already discussed this issue on another thread... Myself and MOD Fenster agreed that PAC is indeed a 112 (flyweight) lineal champ... You can search that thread/discussion if you want... Note: If you follow that lineage at 112 where PAC is one of the champs, it will lead to Daisuke Naito as the current 112 lineal champ... The man beat the man, that the lineage...
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that would be your opinion, not fact, it's not in the record books as you said, so hence he is only a 3 division lineal champion, not 4, like you constantly say, it's only true if it's in the record books, and sorry Manny isn't recognized by Ring Magazine as a 4 division lineal champion, there has been NO LINEAL CHAMP IN THE DIVISION since 1989, just cause the fighter at hand is your crush doesn't make him an exception to your deluded reasoning, FACT IS Ring Magazine has Manny only a 3 division lineal champion

[XaduBoxer]

Here's the last part of this 112 lineal champs list:

• Charlie Magri (1983)
• Frank Cedeno (1983-1984)
• Koji Kobayashi (1984)
• Gabriel Bernal (1984)
• Sot Chitalada (1984-198
• Yong Kang Kim (1988-1989)
• Sot Chitalada (1989-1991)
• Maungchai Kittikasem (1991-1992)
• Yuri Arbachakov (1992-1997)
• Chatchai Sasakul (1997-199
• Manny Pacquiao (1998-1999)
• Medgoen 3K-Battery (1999-2000)
• Malcolm Tunacao (2000-2001)
• Pongsaklek Wonjongkam (2001-200
• Daisuke Naito (2008 to date)

[XaduBoxer]

Ring Magazine hasn't had a recognized Flyweight Champion since 1989 being Yong-Kang Kim

Myself, MOD Mick and MOD Fenster already discussed this issue on another thread... Myself and MOD Fenster agreed that PAC is indeed a 112 (flyweight) lineal champ... You can search that thread/discussion if you want... Note: If you follow that lineage at 112 where PAC is one of the champs, it will lead to Daisuke Naito as the current 112 lineal champ... The man beat the man, that the lineage...
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that would be your opinion, not fact, it's not in the record books as you said, so hence he is only a 3 division lineal champion, not 4, like you constantly say, it's only true if it's in the record books, and sorry Manny isn't recognized by Ring Magazine as a 4 division lineal champion, there has been NO LINEAL CHAMP IN THE DIVISION since 1989, just cause the fighter at hand is your crush doesn't make him an exception to your deluded reasoning, FACT IS Ring Magazine has Manny only a 3 division lineal champion

Dude did you read our discussions?? Just accept that you're more wrong in your claim than our claim... Ours has more valid, solid facts to back up... By the way I already completed the 112 lineage posted above... PAC is one of the 112 lineal champs... Forget it of not being considered as Ring champs at the same time...

[ElTerribleMorales]

Here's the last part of this 112 lineal champs list:

• Charlie Magri (1983)
• Frank Cedeno (1983-1984)
• Koji Kobayashi (1984)
• Gabriel Bernal (1984)
• Sot Chitalada (1984-198
• Yong Kang Kim (1988-1989)
• Sot Chitalada (1989-1991)
• Maungchai Kittikasem (1991-1992)
• Yuri Arbachakov (1992-1997)
• Chatchai Sasakul (1997-199
• Manny Pacquiao (1998-1999)
• Medgoen 3K-Battery (1999-2000)
• Malcolm Tunacao (2000-2001)
• Pongsaklek Wonjongkam (2001-200
• Daisuke Naito (2008 to date)

yea that site also says that Manny is still the lineal champ at 130 also has Oscar De La Hoya as a 3 division lineal champion when Ring magaizine only had him as lineal champ at 154

[ElTerribleMorales]

Myself, MOD Mick and MOD Fenster already discussed this issue on another thread... Myself and MOD Fenster agreed that PAC is indeed a 112 (flyweight) lineal champ... You can search that thread/discussion if you want... Note: If you follow that lineage at 112 where PAC is one of the champs, it will lead to Daisuke Naito as the current 112 lineal champ... The man beat the man, that the lineage...
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that would be your opinion, not fact, it's not in the record books as you said, so hence he is only a 3 division lineal champion, not 4, like you constantly say, it's only true if it's in the record books, and sorry Manny isn't recognized by Ring Magazine as a 4 division lineal champion, there has been NO LINEAL CHAMP IN THE DIVISION since 1989, just cause the fighter at hand is your crush doesn't make him an exception to your deluded reasoning, FACT IS Ring Magazine has Manny only a 3 division lineal champion

Dude did you read our discussions?? Just accept that you're more wrong in your claim than our claim... Ours has more valid, solid facts to back up... By the way I already completed the 112 lineage posted above... PAC is one of the 112 lineal champs... Forget it of not being considered as Ring champs at the same time...

you contradict yourself more than Mayweather does lol you say that you only go by the RECORD BOOKS, and sorry in the record books Manny IS NOT a 4 division lineal champion, and just cause some site, which also has DLH as a 3 division lineal champion , doesn't make it true, that site is so full of shit, that they don't even have JMM as the lineal champ at 135, when there is no disputing that he is, how? cause he beat the man, who beat the man, so sorry bud you're full of it