KLITSCHKO vs CHAGAEV

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Originally Posted by Hunter

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Originally Posted by leftylee

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

:vd: :vd: Yes dominating wins are not what champions do.




They all have a plan. Once that hammer jab hits them flush it usually changes.

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Thing is though Haye has speed. He will move around the ring and not just stand there like most frauds against Wlad do. He will make Wlad think. You can't tell me Haye won't be able to land, cuz sooner or later he will.

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You just dont get it, I dont care how fast Haye is, Wlad is a master at using his height, the ring, and the left jab to stop people in their tracks. Wlad has fought fast fighters and he totally negates the advantage. Wlad has lightening quick reflexes. When Haye shoots in he is going to be met with a STIFF jab and either a hook off the jab or a straight right....Eventually it will be lights out for Haye.....

Haye is lucky he supposedly hurt himself (Wald still hasnt received any medical report), cause Wlad looked so relaxed in there they would have been taking Haye out on a stretcher.....

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Wlad has'nt got lightening quick reflexes:vd:

He pushes his jab into his opponents face and uses his height and reach as a borderline !!

He is limited in his ability to disguise his shot selections and combinations and therefore can be read like a book!

He's been the Champ in a slump in the division and will certainly be schooled by a fighter who can fight move and punch!:cool:

up until the brewster fight klitschko was a different fighter


he didnt jab like he does and he didnt only throw the straight right, he threw a fuckload of punches, and alot of uppercuts, its not like he couldnt revert to that if he needed to...


but it wont be an issue, as i legitimately believe that klitschko could KO haye with a jab

Sal, I also remembering him throwing more variety of punches a few years ago, but he doesnt do it anymore. Ever. One-two is all. Oh and one-one-two....That last round when he had Chag on the ropes in trouble, he loaded up one the same jab-right hand over and over. It was very amateurish. I dont see him as the great technician that the commentators were making him out to be.

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Originally Posted by piye

After watching that borefest i still think Haye is fast enough to beat this guy by evading the left and smashing the overhand right.

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Haye wasnt fast enough to get out of the way of a washed up 40 year olds punches, Haye would fight shiit or bust against either Klitschko, come steaming out, get knackered like he does then be sparked by a jab;D

Thought Chagaev gave Vlad some trouble when there was head movement, but he never threw anything when he did it. I think he threw once or twice and both times landed cleanly. Total borefest though as everyone has already said.


The commentating was awful as well, they kept saying how this fight was so much more entertaining than all his other fights. When I just kept seeing the same thing, jab....jab.... jab,right. Credit for Vlad dominating all these guys, but finish the damn show, take some risks, let your hands go

Wlad is tedious to watch, but he is seldom not in control of a fight these days. Chagaev was too cautious and had no answer for the jab. I thought Chagaev might have been able to take a round or two and make it interesting, but he didn't seem to have much coming back at all.

Chagaev has a fantastic chin on him really, but I think 2 years of injuries and relative inactivity have left a mark on him. Wlad was just too much for him. And as for Wlad, he looked technically very sound. If that was Haye in there, I think he would have been stopped a fair bit earlier. It was Chagaev's beard that kept him in there, and Haye doesn't have that kind of chin.

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Originally Posted by miles

I think he would have been stopped a fair bit earlier. It was Chagaev's beard that kept him in there, and Haye doesn't have that kind of chin.

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I don't think Haye's going to need to have a caste iron chin to beat wlad. Haye is explosive, powerful and elusive, the pawing jab that controlled chagaev will not work with Haye. Haye will be more elusive get inside quick and land a variety of punches. To which wlad will have no answer, apart from holding whenever he can. I thought it was a really poor showing from hi last night, I can't remember a more cautious, punch shy heavyweight champion. I really think Haye will give him a true beating, finishing him before the 7th.

just watched that klitschko fight and i have to say that unless somebody comes through soon, then i fear for the heavyweight division. Klitschko, although athletic for a big guy, looks to me like he is petrified of being hit, regardless of the opposition. He constantly defies the rules by using his left to hold the opponents head as a range finder and isnt unlike ivan drago outta de rocky film. I think that his sheer size is the only thing going for him and that it cancels out whatever skill the opponent may have.

Haye will get beat, there is no doubt in my mind, Chagaev is the third best heavyweight out there and he got dispatched convincingly.

It's been a while since anyone has said Haye is too small, but he is naturally bigger than Chagaev. Chagaev weighed 224 last night but look how fat he was. He must have been carrying 20% body fat, Haye weighed in at 215 for his last fight with Monte Barrett and couldn't have been carrying much more than 5%.

He has grown into a decent sized Heavyweight like Muhammad Ali did after winning the LHW olympic Gold.

I agreed with some of the thing's the commentater's said. Wlad looked completely relaxed and in control the entire fight.That was about it. Chagaev was the best heavyweight out there and Wlad demolished him. Haye wouldn't do a damn thing except throw caution to the wind and just throw bombs for about 3 rounds ultimately missing everyone one of them. Punching himself completely out making Wlad take control and doing exactley what he did to Chageav and the rest of the fighter's since Byrd. Which is stand right in front of him jab the shit out of him seldomly throwing a right hand that will hurt him everytime he unleashes it,toying with him until Haye says ok I've had enough and quits on his stool like everyone of Wlad's latest oppenent's.

I do think it is pretty funny how many think Haye will knock Klitschko out. I mean have you people even looked at the connect percentage against Wlad in his last recent outing's.The man is basically unhittable. The reason for him not throwing combinations as he had done in the past is most likely do to his chin. E-man is not a dummy he is a world class trainer,there is a reason he is throwing only straight punches and that is simply to stay in his range and nobody else's. With him fighting like this it makes us fall asleep but keeps him high and dry where nobody can get to him.

I guess the next thing is when Haye shows his balls and actually commits to fighting and walks through the ropes rather than talking about it.

This was Wlads 7th consecutive successful defence since beating Chris Byrd. That's quite impressive as i see him fighting Povetkin next and making it 8.

With the division as it is and after what he said about Haye having to fight himself back into the line I see him making it to 10 without too many problems. Not many HW champs get 10 consecutive defences under their belts.

to be fair klitschko did what he had to do, hes very predictable tho and if u was getting ready for a fight against him ud fancy it big time. i think hes very good at what he does tho and people dont realise that, however after just watching the fight i strongly fancy haye. haye would land that right hand all day long and he only needs to land cleanly once and its zzzzzzzz time. ill put my neck on the line and say i think haye could make it look easy

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Originally Posted by miles

Wlad is tedious to watch, but he is seldom not in control of a fight these days. Chagaev was too cautious and had no answer for the jab. I thought Chagaev might have been able to take a round or two and make it interesting, but he didn't seem to have much coming back at all.

Chagaev has a fantastic chin on him really, but I think 2 years of injuries and relative inactivity have left a mark on him. Wlad was just too much for him. And as for Wlad, he looked technically very sound. If that was Haye in there, I think he would have been stopped a fair bit earlier. It was Chagaev's beard that kept him in there, and Haye doesn't have that kind of chin.

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Wlad tedious to watch?? I guess if you don't like watching very capable and compotent boxers at the highest level of the sport get totally dominated then I guess Wlad is guilty of doing that....he takes the fight out of his competition and I think that is what people dislike about him, rather than Wlad "going for the kill" he'll sit back and punish his opponent which obviously works for him 53 wins 47 KO's....that's hard to argue with.

I think Ruslan can still do stuff in the division, I just hope he doesn't retire like Sultan Ibragimov did. This version of Ruslan still would have beaten Valuev if not given him a very hard close fight...Wlad is just too talented, he does what he does and comes out with the win, usually a KO.

David Haye would have had NO CHANCE vs Wladimir...he was obviously very well prepared even for a replacement that was a southpaw. Hopefully, the Haye fans understand what this fight actually means instead of focusing on how "boring" or "tedious" Wlad is to watch, because it's going to be even more painful to see how Haye reacts to those punches.

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Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

It's been a while since anyone has said Haye is too small, but he is naturally bigger than Chagaev. Chagaev weighed 224 last night but look how fat he was. He must have been carrying 20% body fat, Haye weighed in at 215 for his last fight with Monte Barrett and couldn't have been carrying much more than 5%.

He has grown into a decent sized Heavyweight like Muhammad Ali did after winning the LHW olympic Gold.

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#1 Chagaev was in very good shape...he wasn't fat, he just wasn't chisled. I would say his body fat % was probably 8%-12% if that much. He was certainly in superb shape as compared to the likes of Sam Peter, Cris Arreola, and Eddie Chambers

#2 Lot's of guys have the size to be heavyweight champions but very few of them have the skill to accomplish such a feat