Re: Mayweather: "If Manny wants it, I'll pay Juan to step aside"
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mnmc10
one thing i dont want to happen is if pbf demands the lions share on pac. its pretty obvious now that pac should be getting the upper hand money wise. if pbf wants it he should agree to pacs terms not his. if he still insists to get the lion share then thats an indication that pbf doesnt want to fight pac.
This is what I dont understand. Why should Pacquiao get the lions share?
In their 2 common bouts (against Oscar & Hatton) Mayweather's sales were double that of Pacquiao's. I'm not saying that Mayweather generated the buzz, because it's obvious Oscar & Hatton did more than their share. But shouldn't the fights with Pacquiao have blown away the numbers Mayweather did with the same guys? If Pacquiao brings more to the table than Mayweather, his fights with Oscar & Hatton should've crushed Mayweather's numbers. But he did only half.
The bottom line is profits and Mayweather does have more of a claim to generating more profits against their 2 recent common opponents than Pacquiao has.
We can say Pacquiao is the cash cow, but in black & white Mayweather has the proof. Mayweather's last 2 fights sold better than Pacquiao's last 2 & they were against the same 2 guys. Hard to deny facts.
Re: Mayweather: "If Manny wants it, I'll pay Juan to step aside"
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;D knodaledge you do realize JMM has a say in this right?
Some people are taking this offhand comment from Floyd too seriously, its not happening. The Floyd/Pac debate starts for real after the JMM fight, if he wins obviously.
He does have a say, but not enough of a say to stop a Pac/Mayweather fight. Mayweather could just decide he's not going to fight JMM. He'll breach contract & I'm sure he'll have to pay a monetary penalty & maybe even take a ban in nevada, but the fight could be sanctioned anywhere. No body in their right mind would refuse to allow a Pac/Mayweather match.
There's ways around contracts & if it brings about the BEST FIGHT POSSIBLE, I'm all for it.
Again, I dont think Pacquiao MUST take the fight. If the stipulations aren't worthy, fine. But his people should at least be pushing for it now. Issue a statement at least.
I seriously doubt Pacquaio's people are going to issue a statement (its not a magic wand anyway) urging Floyd to breach his contract with JMM.
Everyone knows this fight is going to be on the table soon assuming Floyd wins and assuming Pac wins if he even fights before that, I assume he will. There's too much money on the table for Pacquaio's people to not go after it and vice versa.
Anyway if Floyd had wanted to fight Manny in his first fight back he would have waited till the day after the Hatton fight to decide who he was going to fight. I doubt there are serious discussions to get out of the JMM fight unless the fight is doing extremely poorly economically. I don't really know how poorly its doing.
Re: Mayweather: "If Manny wants it, I'll pay Juan to step aside"
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OumaFan
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knodaledge
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OumaFan
;D knodaledge you do realize JMM has a say in this right?
Some people are taking this offhand comment from Floyd too seriously, its not happening. The Floyd/Pac debate starts for real after the JMM fight, if he wins obviously.
He does have a say, but not enough of a say to stop a Pac/Mayweather fight. Mayweather could just decide he's not going to fight JMM. He'll breach contract & I'm sure he'll have to pay a monetary penalty & maybe even take a ban in nevada, but the fight could be sanctioned anywhere. No body in their right mind would refuse to allow a Pac/Mayweather match.
There's ways around contracts & if it brings about the BEST FIGHT POSSIBLE, I'm all for it.
Again, I dont think Pacquiao MUST take the fight. If the stipulations aren't worthy, fine. But his people should at least be pushing for it now. Issue a statement at least.
I seriously doubt Pacquaio's people are going to issue a statement (its not a magic wand anyway) urging Floyd to breach his contract with JMM.
Everyone knows this fight is going to be on the table soon assuming Floyd wins and assuming Pac wins if he even fights before that, I assume he will.
If Floyd had wanted to fight Manny in his first fight back he would have waited till the day after the Hatton fight to decide who he was going to fight. I doubt there are serious discussions to get out of the JMM fight unless the fight is doing extremely poorly economically. I don't really know how poorly its doing.
I really doubt its doing poorly enough that they would buy JMM out of his contract. It would have to have sold on a similar level to the Dawson-Tarver II fight to justify that, & as the cheaper level of tickets have all sold out (I've checked today as I was considering going over) I really doubt it's doing as badly as some people make out.
Re: Mayweather: "If Manny wants it, I'll pay Juan to step aside"
Knodaledge. That was then, this is now. Stop living the past. Stop thinking like Floyd. Pac is the draw right at the moment so he's the one who'll calling the shot and not Floyd. Floyd is still retired as far as I'm concern. He will get to unretire himself OFFICIALLY after he fights JMM. Capisce?
Re: Mayweather: "If Manny wants it, I'll pay Juan to step aside"
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knodaledge
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Originally Posted by
mnmc10
one thing i dont want to happen is if pbf demands the lions share on pac. its pretty obvious now that pac should be getting the upper hand money wise. if pbf wants it he should agree to pacs terms not his. if he still insists to get the lion share then thats an indication that pbf doesnt want to fight pac.
This is what I dont understand. Why should Pacquiao get the lions share?
In their 2 common bouts (against Oscar & Hatton) Mayweather's sales were double that of Pacquiao's. I'm not saying that Mayweather generated the buzz, because it's obvious Oscar & Hatton did more than their share. But shouldn't the fights with Pacquiao have blown away the numbers Mayweather did with the same guys? If Pacquiao brings more to the table than Mayweather, his fights with Oscar & Hatton should've crushed Mayweather's numbers. But he did only half.
The bottom line is profits and Mayweather does have more of a claim to generating more profits against their 2 recent common opponents than Pacquiao has.
We can say Pacquiao is the cash cow, but in black & white Mayweather has the proof. Mayweather's last 2 fights sold better than Pacquiao's last 2 & they were against the same 2 guys. Hard to deny facts.
But also, even though it's difficult to dispute facts, Floyd has been gone for what? 1 1/2 years? Manny's been making more of a household name for himself, and now here comes Floyd wanting to just come right back where he left off. I don't think he deserves to just pop back in and demand more than Pac; past records for PPV or not. Should at least be 50/50; and I'd find it just fine if Pac got 60/40. That's just my take on it. And Manny sure as hell beat those 2 past opponents of Floyd in much more convincing fashion; people remember that as far as deciding who is more entertaining{casual fans at least}imo.
Re: Mayweather: "If Manny wants it, I'll pay Juan to step aside"
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JazMerkin
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OumaFan
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knodaledge
He does have a say, but not enough of a say to stop a Pac/Mayweather fight. Mayweather could just decide he's not going to fight JMM. He'll breach contract & I'm sure he'll have to pay a monetary penalty & maybe even take a ban in nevada, but the fight could be sanctioned anywhere. No body in their right mind would refuse to allow a Pac/Mayweather match.
There's ways around contracts & if it brings about the BEST FIGHT POSSIBLE, I'm all for it.
Again, I dont think Pacquiao MUST take the fight. If the stipulations aren't worthy, fine. But his people should at least be pushing for it now. Issue a statement at least.
I seriously doubt Pacquaio's people are going to issue a statement (its not a magic wand anyway) urging Floyd to breach his contract with JMM.
Everyone knows this fight is going to be on the table soon assuming Floyd wins and assuming Pac wins if he even fights before that, I assume he will.
If Floyd had wanted to fight Manny in his first fight back he would have waited till the day after the Hatton fight to decide who he was going to fight. I doubt there are serious discussions to get out of the JMM fight unless the fight is doing extremely poorly economically. I don't really know how poorly its doing.
I really doubt its doing poorly enough that they would buy JMM out of his contract. It would have to have sold on a similar level to the Dawson-Tarver II fight to justify that, & as the cheaper level of tickets have all sold out (I've checked today as I was considering going over) I really doubt it's doing as badly as some people make out.
You would think its gotta do 500, 000 buys. I would think. I mean he did 300 plus vs Baldoajamu I think.
It will be interesting to see how much Pacquaio vs Cotto does in comparison. I'm sure if it does clearly more Mayweather will say Cotto was a bigger draw and I guess he'd be right. Come to think of it I don't know how I'd rank JMM on the "draw" scale. I guess not as high as he should be.
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OumaFan
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JazMerkin
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OumaFan
I seriously doubt Pacquaio's people are going to issue a statement (its not a magic wand anyway) urging Floyd to breach his contract with JMM.
Everyone knows this fight is going to be on the table soon assuming Floyd wins and assuming Pac wins if he even fights before that, I assume he will.
If Floyd had wanted to fight Manny in his first fight back he would have waited till the day after the Hatton fight to decide who he was going to fight. I doubt there are serious discussions to get out of the JMM fight unless the fight is doing extremely poorly economically. I don't really know how poorly its doing.
I really doubt its doing poorly enough that they would buy JMM out of his contract. It would have to have sold on a similar level to the Dawson-Tarver II fight to justify that, & as the cheaper level of tickets have all sold out (I've checked today as I was considering going over) I really doubt it's doing as badly as some people make out.
You would think its gotta do 500, 000 buys. I would think. I mean he did 300 plus vs Baldoajamu I think.
It will be interesting to see how much Pacquaio vs Cotto does in comparison. I'm sure if it does clearly more Mayweather will say Cotto was a bigger draw and I guess he'd be right. Come to think of it I don't know how I'd rank JMM on the "draw" scale. I guess not as high as he should be.
How would Cotto be a bigger draw than Pac right now? I am missing something{which isn't unusual}:dunce:
Re: Mayweather: "If Manny wants it, I'll pay Juan to step aside"
I mean Cotto's a bigger draw than JMM ;D
Re: Mayweather: "If Manny wants it, I'll pay Juan to step aside"
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OumaFan
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JazMerkin
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Originally Posted by
OumaFan
I seriously doubt Pacquaio's people are going to issue a statement (its not a magic wand anyway) urging Floyd to breach his contract with JMM.
Everyone knows this fight is going to be on the table soon assuming Floyd wins and assuming Pac wins if he even fights before that, I assume he will.
If Floyd had wanted to fight Manny in his first fight back he would have waited till the day after the Hatton fight to decide who he was going to fight. I doubt there are serious discussions to get out of the JMM fight unless the fight is doing extremely poorly economically. I don't really know how poorly its doing.
I really doubt its doing poorly enough that they would buy JMM out of his contract. It would have to have sold on a similar level to the Dawson-Tarver II fight to justify that, & as the cheaper level of tickets have all sold out (I've checked today as I was considering going over) I really doubt it's doing as badly as some people make out.
You would think its gotta do 500, 000 buys. I would think. I mean he did 300 plus vs Baldoajamu I think.
It will be interesting to see how much Pacquaio vs Cotto does in comparison. I'm sure if it does clearly more Mayweather will say Cotto was a bigger draw and I guess he'd be right. Come to think of it I don't know how I'd rank JMM on the "draw" scale. I guess not as high as he should be.
Yeah, you'd expect so, I think 750,000 will be possible once HBO gets its marketing campaign underway. I mean Marquez should be a decent draw but he's not what he deserves to be. I think it will do good numbers, I wouldn't be surprised if Pacquiao vs Cotto does better because right now Cotto is probably the biggest active draw outside of Mayweather & Pacquiao. I think the problem is that right now both Mayweather & Pacquiao think that they are the new ODLH, when in reality neither is. However, they remain the only 2 guys who could draw huge numbers, & together they could do very big business, not quite Oscar-Floyd numbers but not far off.
I don't see Cotto or Mosley as the guys that will draw your average TV fan in for either guy.
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OumaFan
I mean Cotto's a bigger draw than JMM ;D
See I told you I was missing something:bag:
Re: Mayweather: "If Manny wants it, I'll pay Juan to step aside"
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knodaledge
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Originally Posted by
mnmc10
one thing i dont want to happen is if pbf demands the lions share on pac. its pretty obvious now that pac should be getting the upper hand money wise. if pbf wants it he should agree to pacs terms not his. if he still insists to get the lion share then thats an indication that pbf doesnt want to fight pac.
This is what I dont understand. Why should Pacquiao get the lions share?
In their 2 common bouts (against Oscar & Hatton) Mayweather's sales were double that of Pacquiao's. I'm not saying that Mayweather generated the buzz, because it's obvious Oscar & Hatton did more than their share. But shouldn't the fights with Pacquiao have blown away the numbers Mayweather did with the same guys? If Pacquiao brings more to the table than Mayweather, his fights with Oscar & Hatton should've crushed Mayweather's numbers. But he did only half.
The bottom line is profits and Mayweather does have more of a claim to generating more profits against their 2 recent common opponents than Pacquiao has.
We can say Pacquiao is the cash cow, but in black & white Mayweather has the proof. Mayweather's last 2 fights sold better than Pacquiao's last 2 & they were against the same 2 guys. Hard to deny facts.
Pacquiao can get the bigger half because he took down Mayweather's last two opponents in a more convincing fashion, he is CURRENTLY the P4P best fighter in the world, and whether people can admit it or not, more people are after a fight with Pacquiao than against Mayweather.
Mayweather can demand the bigger half because he did bigger numbers with the common opponents him and Pac had and Pac is P4P best because Floyd retired.
TBH, both fighters have proof and good reasons to demand the bigger split. I honestly think this fight is in trouble because neither man will be willing to budge. I would suggest a 50/50 split but who the hell am I in the boxing world? I say it over and over again about fights where purse is a big factor, give each fighter a guaranteed 45% and the other 10% goes to the winner.
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C-Lo
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knodaledge
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mnmc10
one thing i dont want to happen is if pbf demands the lions share on pac. its pretty obvious now that pac should be getting the upper hand money wise. if pbf wants it he should agree to pacs terms not his. if he still insists to get the lion share then thats an indication that pbf doesnt want to fight pac.
This is what I dont understand. Why should Pacquiao get the lions share?
In their 2 common bouts (against Oscar & Hatton) Mayweather's sales were double that of Pacquiao's. I'm not saying that Mayweather generated the buzz, because it's obvious Oscar & Hatton did more than their share. But shouldn't the fights with Pacquiao have blown away the numbers Mayweather did with the same guys? If Pacquiao brings more to the table than Mayweather, his fights with Oscar & Hatton should've crushed Mayweather's numbers. But he did only half.
The bottom line is profits and Mayweather does have more of a claim to generating more profits against their 2 recent common opponents than Pacquiao has.
We can say Pacquiao is the cash cow, but in black & white Mayweather has the proof. Mayweather's last 2 fights sold better than Pacquiao's last 2 & they were against the same 2 guys. Hard to deny facts.
Pacquiao can get the bigger half because he took down Mayweather's last two opponents in a more convincing fashion, he is CURRENTLY the P4P best fighter in the world, and whether people can admit it or not, more people are after a fight with Pacquiao than against Mayweather.
Mayweather can demand the bigger half because he did bigger numbers with the common opponents him and Pac had and Pac is P4P best because Floyd retired.
TBH, both fighters have proof and good reasons to demand the bigger split. I honestly think this fight is in trouble because neither man will be willing to budge. I would suggest a 50/50 split but who the hell am I in the boxing world? I say it over and over again about fights where purse is a big factor, give each fighter a guaranteed 45% and the other 10% goes to the winner.
Makes perfect sense to me.
Nobody can deny facts that are in black & white. The proof is right there for Mayweather to show he is involved in fights that drew more than Pacquiao.
If I were Mayweather I would be willing to give Pacquiao a boost in earnings because of the #1 position. But that's really the only thing he has on Mayweather.
I would absolutely be for a "winner takes the lions share" agreement. But Arum isn't stupid. I just dont think Arum wants to see Pacquiao take on Mayweather right now when he can make a few million with Cotto first & have to split it with nobody else. Politics.
Re: Mayweather: "If Manny wants it, I'll pay Juan to step aside"
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knodaledge
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mnmc10
one thing i dont want to happen is if pbf demands the lions share on pac. its pretty obvious now that pac should be getting the upper hand money wise. if pbf wants it he should agree to pacs terms not his. if he still insists to get the lion share then thats an indication that pbf doesnt want to fight pac.
This is what I dont understand. Why should Pacquiao get the lions share?
In their 2 common bouts (against Oscar & Hatton) Mayweather's sales were double that of Pacquiao's. I'm not saying that Mayweather generated the buzz, because it's obvious Oscar & Hatton did more than their share. But shouldn't the fights with Pacquiao have blown away the numbers Mayweather did with the same guys? If Pacquiao brings more to the table than Mayweather, his fights with Oscar & Hatton should've crushed Mayweather's numbers. But he did only half.
The bottom line is profits and Mayweather does have more of a claim to generating more profits against their 2 recent common opponents than Pacquiao has.
We can say Pacquiao is the cash cow, but in black & white Mayweather has the proof. Mayweather's last 2 fights sold better than Pacquiao's last 2 & they were against the same 2 guys. Hard to deny facts.
look, pbf was the best back then its pacs turn now. they both fought hatton and odlh and you know that pac performed better than pbf against those guys. yes pbf pulled more buys than pac but pac was a HUGE underdog on the odlh fight people didnt wasted money thinking that it would be a one sided beating odlh way.
on the hatton fight pac has an edge but people never expected a 2nd round ko by pac. lets also not forget that we are suffering from world crisis now people doesnt pay up for boxing as much as before.
now that pbf unretired AGAIN, jmm/pbf is not selling great. while pac just came out of an outstanding ko of hatton. weighing everything who do you think deserves the lions share?
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knowing pbf he forces what he wants either to really get the bigger purse or to avoid the fighter infront of him. if pbf does it to pac then i would believe that pbf doesnt want to fight pac simply cause pac can beat pbf and pbf is scared to get a loss on his record.
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I think everyone here knows my personal opinion of guys like Floyd and Roy Jones Jr who think so highly of themselves. I don't hate them, just their cocky 'the world revolves around me and only me' attitudes. I hope Floyd has to go through with the JMM fight and it is a financial disaster so that he can see just what his true worth is. I'd also like to see JMM pull off an upset and get to fight Pac-JMM III.
