Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
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Originally Posted by
Beanflicker
If there is anyone here who TRUELY believes that Pac doesn't want to take a blood test because he's "superstitious" or would feel weak, than you are truely niave as hell.
Pac has something to hide, don't kid yourself. Pac is roiding.
I think you are the naive one sir for stereotyping Manny has 'roided out'.
You need to do some reading on Manny's weight progression throughout his career. He was only 16 years old when he fought at 106lbs. Over the next five years he progressed to the super bantamweight division of 122lbs. Three-four years later he fought at featherweight regularly. A year or two later he fought at Super featherweight (130lbs). Another three years later he fought at Lightweight (135lbs) when taking out Diaz. Since then he has gained 10lbs......
It's been a very gradual increase in fighting weight.
Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
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ilovebrucelee
Well the whole thing just is shady. Can anyone here tell me that the tiny amount of blood taken in a drug test would not be recovered in a day? I dont think it would even effect you at all, its not like theyre draining your whole body.
Anyone who says mayweather is being a dick for asking is stupid, if theres nothing to hide then there shouldnt be a problem. I dont see a problem at all if mayweather takes the same drug test especially with the 10 mil per pound clause of the contract, pac should just humour us and take the drug test. And for the whole needle thing, the guy has tattoos so he cant be too afraid of needles.
I agree with everything you just said;)
Manny has already dropped a bollock by not just complaining but flat out refusing, thats like acusing someone you of being a peado and wanting your pc tested for filth, your going to jump at the chance to prove them wrong, if you refuse your going to look very suspicious, even guilty, Manny has really gone and dug himself a little hole.
I think he may be using something and reckon there could be talk going round from people who have seen and heard things for well known boxers and trainers to start opening their mouths about the subject over the past few months.
All Manny has to do is take the tests and prove them wrong, if he loses badly then that could have happened either way, what would be interesting is if he was taking something and has to bite the bullet and stay clean for 3 months, whether he comes in very light because he hasnt been able to maintain his mass whithout the extra help;)
Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
I still have a feeling the fight will go on. Remember people the Pac-Hatton fight was also called off and then it went on, when Pac realized too much money is at stake.
Expect the fight to be on and ready to go in a few days.
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It isn't that big a deal. Most of us here could have a blood test and not get too distressed by it. I think Manny could probably do so too, he's probably a stronger man than me.
Here we have a guy who has shown KO power, stamina, aggression, intimidation, etc. And all of a sudden he's squeamish and scared about a needle?!
Floyd has agreed to the gloves, March 13th date, a ridiculous $10,000,000 fine per extra pound, 50-50 split, etc. You ask Pac for one single thing and he backs up?!
How about a fine of $11,000,000 to Pac for not taking a blood test?
Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
Seriously, does anybody seriously think this fight won't happen?
Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
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Originally Posted by
rickyhatton1975
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Originally Posted by
Beanflicker
If there is anyone here who TRUELY believes that Pac doesn't want to take a blood test because he's "superstitious" or would feel weak, than you are truely niave as hell.
Pac has something to hide, don't kid yourself. Pac is roiding.
I think you are the naive one sir for stereotyping Manny has 'roided out'.
You need to do some reading on Manny's weight progression throughout his career. He was only 16 years old when he fought at 106lbs. Over the next five years he progressed to the super bantamweight division of 122lbs. Three-four years later he fought at featherweight regularly. A year or two later he fought at Super featherweight (130lbs). Another three years later he fought at Lightweight (135lbs) when taking out Diaz. Since then he has gained 10lbs......
It's been a very gradual increase in fighting weight.
once again!!!
steroids dont instantly make you turn in the incredible hulk you know ... without eating and training to become a body builder you wont look like one or put on any serious mass
they help with endurance and fat loss which is more something pac trains towards along with speed and power
Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
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Originally Posted by
killersheep
I said implement it in title fights because that is the logical starting place, it would be great if it was required sport wide, but who it in charge of that responsibility? There is not a unified international commission. Titles are governed by specific bodies (IBF, WBO, WBA and WBC) whereas a majority of fights do not fall under the sanctioning body umbrella.
I agree with all of that... Good stuff, but isn't there still a standard on drug testing throughout professional boxing.. Shouldn't it be the same no matter what... And if it needs to be severely increased, shouldn't it be across the board...
@Miles, i will agree with your reply...
@ElTerrible - Weight is not the issue of this argument/discussion.. I don't feel like having a side bar... I do understand your distaste for catchweights, but if both parties agree then it is a moot point...
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at this stage of the game Pac is Innocent - To say otherwise is silly...
I will be devastated if PAC happens to turn up positive...
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Mayweather would be going through the same test. So Freddie Roach's excuse for how it may effect Manny, it could effect Mayweather in the same way, its the same chance of it happening. Why should Manny say no to it? Mayweather's agreed to everything else and Manny can't agree to this?
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cnote111
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Originally Posted by
killersheep
I said implement it in title fights because that is the logical starting place, it would be great if it was required sport wide, but who it in charge of that responsibility? There is not a unified international commission. Titles are governed by specific bodies (IBF, WBO, WBA and WBC) whereas a majority of fights do not fall under the sanctioning body umbrella.
I agree with all of that... Good stuff, but isn't there still a standard on drug testing throughout professional boxing.. Shouldn't it be the same no matter what... And if it needs to be severely increased, shouldn't it be across the board...
@Miles, i will agree with your reply...
@ElTerrible - Weight is not the issue of this argument/discussion.. I don't feel like having a side bar... I do understand your distaste for catchweights, but if both parties agree then it is a moot point...
my point is why bitch about "what gives Floyd the right for blah blah blah", yet not complain a bit when Manny himself tries to dictate what a fighters penalty should be if he doesn't comply to the commissions rules when it comes to making weight
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cnote111
at this stage of the game Pac is Innocent - To say otherwise is silly...
I will be devastated if PAC happens to turn up positive...
he never will dont worry, you know why ?
because he will never agree to take the test
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ElTerribleMorales
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Originally Posted by
cnote111
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Originally Posted by
killersheep
I said implement it in title fights because that is the logical starting place, it would be great if it was required sport wide, but who it in charge of that responsibility? There is not a unified international commission. Titles are governed by specific bodies (IBF, WBO, WBA and WBC) whereas a majority of fights do not fall under the sanctioning body umbrella.
I agree with all of that... Good stuff, but isn't there still a standard on drug testing throughout professional boxing.. Shouldn't it be the same no matter what... And if it needs to be severely increased, shouldn't it be across the board...
@Miles, i will agree with your reply...
@ElTerrible - Weight is not the issue of this argument/discussion.. I don't feel like having a side bar... I do understand your distaste for catchweights, but if both parties agree then it is a moot point...
my point is why bitch about "what gives Floyd the right for blah blah blah", yet not complain a bit when Manny himself tries to dictate what a fighters penalty should be if he doesn't comply to the commissions rules when it comes to making weight
Because people double standard for a fighter they like and diss another fighter for the same reasons they defend another one for.
Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
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Originally Posted by
cnote111
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Originally Posted by
killersheep
I said implement it in title fights because that is the logical starting place, it would be great if it was required sport wide, but who it in charge of that responsibility? There is not a unified international commission. Titles are governed by specific bodies (IBF, WBO, WBA and WBC) whereas a majority of fights do not fall under the sanctioning body umbrella.
I agree with all of that... Good stuff, but isn't there still a standard on drug testing throughout professional boxing.. Shouldn't it be the same no matter what... And if it needs to be severely increased, shouldn't it be across the board...
@Miles, i will agree with your reply...
@ElTerrible - Weight is not the issue of this argument/discussion.. I don't feel like having a side bar... I do understand your distaste for catchweights, but if both parties agree then it is a moot point...
It should be the same across the board, but that is not realistic. Why not set the standard with the biggest fight of the century and work from the top down?
Currently drug testing is demanded by state athletic boards and is NOT the same for everyone. At the lowest financial levels drug testing is not done at all.
To be a professional boxer I don't think that it is too much to ask that every fighter has
1. A clean bill of health from a doctor stating they are ok to fight.
2. Random drug screens to ensure noone is doping, roiding, using HGH or whatever.
The only way to ensure this though is through an international commission which as of now doesn't exist.
Re: Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...
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Originally Posted by
cnote111
at this stage of the game Pac is Innocent - To say otherwise is silly...
I will be devastated if PAC happens to turn up positive...
I agree, I personally don't believe Pacquiao would use illegal substances. Which is why I have a hard time seeing a good reason for him to not take the tests. Hell I'd overcome a little fatigue and a drug screen for what will probably be a 40 million dollar pay day, who wouldn't?
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cnote111
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miles
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cnote111
I may be alone on this site defending the choice of not taking this test..
If the rules of boxing implimented this test for all professional fights, then i would not be standing on my soap box right now..
But the Boxing Committee is not the one asking for this type of testing... Its Floyd MONEY Mayweather... He is not doing all this for the welfare of his life or any other fighter out there... If he was why wouldn't he or any other fighter ask for this type of testing..
Guys,
I'm not against this type of testing, i'm against Floyd grandstanding like he is threatened by PAC being a cheater... You guys know this is a ploy to mess with PAC whether you agree with the test or not...
So let Manny take this simple test and be done with it... :rolleyes:
It isn't that big a deal. Most of us here could have a blood test and not get too distressed by it. I think Manny could probably do so too, he's probably a stronger man than me.
You could also ask the question, why doesn't boxing have more stringent tests already? Maybe this does set a precedent...maybe that's not such a bad thing for major fights.
It may not be a big deal to some, but maybe it is to Manny... I have yet to hear Manny personally respond, so we will have to await his response...
However, I'm with you on the stringent testing - But do you honestly thing Floyd is trying to set a precedent in the sport of boxing? And why do people keep saying "Major" or "Title" fights only... If you were a professional fighter would you believe your safety was any less important then a guy fighting for a title.. I wouldn't!! I care to much about you Miles...haha
I hear you on that point and to an extent, I agree. On the other hand, the guy is a boxer - he punches and is punched for a living. And he's been through some gruesome wars in which blood dripped all over his face. I find it hard to believe that giving blood would make him so uneasy that he would turn down a $30M pay day. Also, this fight would be monstrous for boxing. It may even have an effect of bringing the sport back into the limelight. I would hate to see it fail to come to fruition because Manny refuses to submit to blood tests when at least in my humble opinion, he probably has nothing at all to hide because I serously doubt he's doped up.
