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The one body punch before the stoppage that made kov bend down and ward stop throwing was the end of kov. THose body shots were too much. Kov was gassed and it was getting bad in there. Yall complaining about a bull shit stoppage, ward was gonna ko kov if that fight had went on. IT WAS GETTING BAD.
Kov is not a 12 round fighter. He starts strong and dies in the later rounds. Ward wouldve won either way.
You are a terrible judge. Ward was 6-1 down at the time of the stoppage according to me and Lederman, was outlanded in all but 1 round, and Kovalev was forcing the fight. Even if you give Ward a 10-8 round 8 he still had a lot to do with only 4 rounds left. Kovalev was hit low 3 times in a row and they waved it off. What kind of con game is that? At least have the decency to give the man a count and weigh up the situation a little. Kovalev motioned a low blow earlier and was laughed off. Then emboldened Ward decided to just do it again and again and again. It was terrible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
Should have been a great spectacle and it was ruined. BTW you should learn to score a fight. The only thing up about Ward was his hair.
You would be hard pushed to script and makes this up ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpAFToKcaws
Ward wearing a rucksack to the post fight press conference is just taking the Michael ;D
What was that all about ? Is he in such a rush to go off Youth Hostelling that he can't wait until after to put it on ?
Did Kovalev quit?
It could have been a sign..he was very frustrated.
Fuck you and Lederman.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfYou are a terrible judge. Ward was 6-1 down at the time of the stoppage according to me and Lederman, was outlanded in all but 1 round, and Kovalev was forcing the fight. Even if you give Ward a 10-8 round 8 he still had a lot to do with only 4 rounds left. Kovalev was hit low 3 times in a row and they waved it off. What kind of con game is that? At least have the decency to give the man a count and weigh up the situation a little. Kovalev motioned a low blow earlier and was laughed off. Then emboldened Ward decided to just do it again and again and again. It was terrible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
Should have been a great spectacle and it was ruined. BTW you should learn to score a fight. The only thing up about Ward was his hair.
2 judges had Ward up and if I'm not mistaken.. They count more than you or Lederman.
And I know how to score I was scoring in favor of the winner :)
Outrageous. Sorry I had it 5-2 kovalev. Did more in most of the rounds.
Oh sounds interesting. Was working didn't watch it but I was hoping Kov wood win
After seeing a replay, Kovalev was clearly hit low the last punch before the stoppage and I think that Weeks was looking for a chance to stop it rather than if the punch were a foul. That last low blow clearly hurt Kovalev.
Again, I think Ward was on his way to win either way. Kovalev was about gassed out and ward always comes on stronger as the fight progresses. It's just unfortunate that Weeks stole a legitimate victory from Ward.
Bad job by Weeks on the stoppage. I don't think he did awful before that but the whole last round he seemed a little too ready to stop the fight.
Clearly the last shot was square on the balls (the first three being borderline low as Kov said).
Just notice Kov's bum jolting back; that's definately not a body shot. As someone said, it looked more like resignation and I think it's because of all the stuff Ward was getting away with. (One of the first low blows he complained about was just laughed off by the ref).
I think ward seemed to be getting an edge during those rounds anyway.
Not only were the blows quite low, but I also think that Kovy would deserve a count and not get a stoppage right away. Just my 2 cents, but I think that the issue of these last 2 fights are pretty controversial and will do nothing to improve boxing's image :(
Dear lord people. Over and over "I think he deserved a count"
The fight was fought under the unified rules of the boxing commisions. That means no standing eight count. He CAN NOT give him a standing eight count. If we're going to ignore what was happening in the fight for details let's get the details right.
I agree, I think Kov was hurt bad and Ward may have kept the pressure on and may have forced the stoppage, unfortunately we will never know because the ref took that option away from Ward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
He couldn't have have a standing 8 count but he could have gave Kov a 5 minute count following a low blow, I mean hell he could have gave him a total of 30 minutes if you added the 6 low blows together.
Is a moot point, really. Kov was wilting at the time of the stoppage. He was exhausted and frustrated, so the stoppage was literally the best thing for him. He can convince himself he was robbed and didn't have to suffer an extended beating. I thought his trunks were high so while a couple of the shots were under the belt, they still looked borderline/legal to me. I like Kov, but Ward is too much for him.
The fight was better than their first fight.
Kov fought better and was ahead.
Ward starting putting the pressure in the second half of the fight and was coming on strong.
Kov did quit or gave the ref a reason to stop the fight as he was complaining but the punches were low and the ref should have called it as such.
The fight fans were cheated out of a legitimate ending.
Hope Kov comes back.
Ward is quality and the best p4p boxer.
Couldn't make it through the video because the guy has the rules wrong. It is not decided low or not low by the beltline. And Weeks pointed that out to them before the fight because Kovalevs trunks were high. If trunks are high they say "this is fine....this is low" pointing out where it will be decided because it is not decided by the beltline. If people get the rules right they will be far less frustrated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freedom
Also there should be no further rematches as Ward had Kovalev number and I am sure Kov does not want to fight Andre again no matter what he says.
I think that Kovalev was visibly distraught after the fight. He shouldn't fight Ward again. As long as this fight didn't totally ruin him, there are still great fights at LHW for him. He can still rule the division if Ward actually does move up to cruiser
That's being GENEROUS to Ward. Ward was smacking Kov repeatedly in the balls. Being more realistic, a halt should have been called, Ward warned, and five minute time be called. A harsher man would say dock a point from Ward as it wasn't the first time he had done that. Instead the ref stopped the fight and ruled it a stoppage. It was bollocks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Kovalev has outboxed Ward twice now and yet look at HBO salivating over Ward. It's topsy turvy land.
A couple points. If Weeks had halted the action ruling a low blow I would have no issue. I'm just saying you can't change the rules with "I think he should have". It wasn't an option to give a standing 8. I personally hate no standing 8. I think champions always deserve a chance to recover. But I understand the reasoning. Standing 8 opens too many things up to judgement and also would often steal fighters option to finish.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfThat's being GENEROUS to Ward. Ward was smacking Kov repeatedly in the balls. Being more realistic, a halt should have been called, Ward warned, and five minute time be called. A harsher man would say dock a point from Ward as it wasn't the first time he had done that. Instead the ref stopped the fight and ruled it a stoppage. It was bollocks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Kovalev has outboxed Ward twice now and yet look at HBO salivating over Ward. It's topsy turvy land.
In this instance no standing 8 count robbed Ward of the opportunity to finish him clean.
What's hilarious in all this is everyone wants to talk about what didn't make the outcome to avoid what did. Outboxing, I agree. But it's irrelevant because Andre broke him. He was not going the distance.
Low blows, there were some. But it was the hard legit punches that hard Kovalev gassed and had him ready to be stopped.
Here's John David Jackson(I really don't like this guy but if he's right he's right) on point about the fight
https://youtu.be/Yk4Dr61QwS0
If the punches were low Kov took it like a bitch.
Millions of dollers on the line and he coward like a girl, he barely moaned about it as the stoppage happened.
Case and point, he was happy the fight was ended and decided that his victory was going to be his ability to claim low blows
That's was his whole win in that moment.
You can moan all you want guys but in that 25 seconds of being chased after that right hand landed he accepted that "low blows" was his argument. He was in trouble and we could all see that he was in danger... low blows or not, even before the "low blows" Ward was all over him and he folded.
He is a warrior and he trained everyday for months, a punch in the balls is hard to take yes but they wear full protective gear, almost everyone takes a shot that may be considered low IN EVERY fight you've ever watched. It's not like the shots where massively low, even after watching 10 replys (and wanting Kov to win ) they didnt seem obviously low.
Fair victory.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLxlV5C4KHY
Clear as day, a completely illegal punch and then the ref jumped in to finish it off. Ward cheated and the ref screwed up.
Kovalev beat Ward twice. That was not a loss. Ward had one dominant round and squeaked two others in a fight he was LOSING.
I think people get so caught up in the scoring of a fight that they miss what's happening to the fighters in the fight. You can win rounds and take the worst of it. Some examples
Chavez vs Taylor. Taylor was winning the rounds. But yyou'd have be blind to not see Taylor was taking a beating.
Brook vs Spence. Brook was winning the rounds but Spence was doing the lasting work that was breaking him down.
Toney vs Jirov. Close fight but it was clear Toney was breaking him down.
You can list example after example like this. Kovalev started off sharper. But after 6 rounds I think everyone could see if there was going to be a stoppage it was Ward that was going to stop Kovalev. Kovalev was getting weaker and more ragged every round. It wasn't from the low blow in the 2nd, the 3rd was Kovalevs best round probably. It wasn't from the low blows at the end. It was because of the legit body shots. The hard left hooks that were beginning to land. Even live I was saying "it' strange, Kovalev is landing more but Ward is landing the harder punches. Seems backwards"
It sucks how it ended but Ward had broken him down. Take the low blows away and we have a 9th or 10th round KO instead of an 8th round TKO.
I actually feel a little bad for Kovalev because, as Roy said after the fight, the Eastern European fighters have 28 years of pro experience. They are very skilled in the amateur style but they haven't caught up on the pro tricks. If you think the guy is hitting you low you hit them low back. Like Hatton did to Tszyu. It's not Kovalevs fault where he was born. But if he had grown up in a country that had a long professional history he would know this.
But in the end low blows were part of the ending, not part of the outcome. The outcome was decided when he began to gas out. And it was far too early.
I agree with the first part. If the referee was on top of it, that is what should have happened - a warning and a few minutes to recover if Kovalev needed it. I honestly thought most of the "low" blows were on the belt line and good. There were a few below the belt, though. Certainly, the last one before the stoppage was unintentionally low. A small bit of the blame for the stoppage is Kovalev's - bad strategy to drop your hands and complain at that moment. It would have been better to drop to a knee and then plead your case. All in all, a bit unlucky for Kovalev.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Regarding being out boxed, Kovalev definitely was doing that in the first 4-5 rounds of the first fight but certainly not afterwards (at worst it was even). The second fight saw Kovalev's jab working well for parts of a few rounds. Otherwise, Ward was in firm control of the direction and outcome of the fight.
For me, the difference in this fight came down to one fighter having purpose and the other one not so much. It's telling that Ward was looking for the KO more so than Kovalev.
If Ward does not find big fights elsewhere, I'm guessing Kovalev gets one more chance after a few impressive wins. Kovalev should get to Adonis before Ward does.
Think about those two bolded statements for a moment and watch the slow motion video I posted above. The punch was VERY low and it was an absurd 'victory'. Not only are you bad at scoring fights, but you talk gibberish. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
Losing a round pretty badly is just that. Ward had a couple in the first fight and you don't stop it based on that.
Ward was still losing on many cards even with a 10-8 round, but as the evidence shows, there shouldn't have even been a KD and should in fact have been a Ward deduction thus solidifying Kovalevs lead with an even round 8.
To stop a fight like that? A big no, no, no. :scratchchin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ay4wunub64
post fight conference is pretty funny, I find teh angry russian fellow quite amusing
Fighters will speak the truth, Terrence Crawford when did you know the fight was over "when he started complaining"
https://youtu.be/Z7lIPi0BtUc
The more I think about it, the more impressed I am with Ward. You can't blame a fighter when the ref doesn't call the low blow. Almost all were belt line that Kovalev was complaining about. He broke Kovalev. That's really all there is to it.
Many a man would be broken with that low blow. In fact it would do wonders for global overpopulation if every man was hit in the balls like that. It could be a new eugenics program. Look at the way Kov doubled over and tried to cover his manhood. It was the first thing on his mind in that moment. Watching it live I thought maybe he was hurt, but on reflection I don't think he was that badly hurt. Retreating, getting through the round sure, but he was weathering the storm. Ward has no output, so Kovalev would have weathered it.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
i wanted kov to win
and im absolutely on with the idea that he had to knock him out to get a draw
but you cant argue with the stoppage, he looked like he wanted out
does kov need a new promoter?
Kov should have taken a knee or just fallen to the ground rolling around if he was hurt from the low blows. He should have got the rest and recovered and as soon as the ref asked them to resume punched Ward straight in the nuts and say two can play at this game.
You hit me low, I hit you low. If the ref is not going to stop it, I will.
Hey, there's no reason to bring Donald Trump into this conversation!Quote:
Originally Posted by palmerq
I totally agree, when he was hit low he should have rammed one in himselfQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
he just kind of wilted tho
its like when ward uses his head, which he was doing on Saturday, why don't his opponents stick their head in too
Only just watched the fight today, a bit of an odd one. I thought Kovalev pretty much controlled the first 6 rounds. Ward wanted to wrestle any time Kovalev got anywhere near him, Wards output was pretty shit. Kovalev fell apart rapidly, there were a lot of low blows thrown by Ward but he also sprinkled on top some brilliant body punching. That right hand took Kovalev's legs from him, and maybe his heart. Given all that we see I thought finish was pretty shit. They were repeated low blows, it's not even up for debate as far as Im concerned, they were cynical, just like the ones he threw earlier. For Kovalev's part I didn't see any real complaining about low blows. He backed off for sure and suggested they were low, but he was almost giving Weeks a reason to say no foul, carry on. He did himself no favours on the stoppage either. He should have taken a knee, rolled around in agony, something. Instead he sat there like a lame duck giving Weeks no choice.
I know a lot of people have given Ward a whole heap of credit for the win and I guess it's earned, he did beat a World class fighter for the second time so respect where it's due. But I didnt get as excited about anything Ward did as some people have.
In a week where every man and his dog were discussing the circus that is Mayweather V McGregor, at least we had the 'real' fight to look forward to to hold up the good name of boxing. I was left feeling a little underwhelmed if Im honest.
Don Turner give a walk-on interview about the fight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQEXSD7IjgQ
I saw/heard comments about Don Turner calling Kovalev "just a puncher" after the loss... clearly, from that video, the old fossil was answering a question trying to explain why Loma is P4P no.1 not Ward.
Funking joke world constantly hanging people for comments taken out of context.
The interviewer appeared to try and setup DT to say that Ward is great. DT wasn't having it