Hey Alpha. Good to see you back. I see you have some new debaters. ;D
Been there done that..... and how can I put this......
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Hey Alpha. Good to see you back. I see you have some new debaters. ;D
Been there done that..... and how can I put this......
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Hey Tito, how you been? Hope you are doing well.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Objective reality is not up for debate, but I can discuss.
Haven’t you heard of photoshopQuote:
Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan
You missed the point completely. You said that one cannot believe an image if one had not seen it with their own eyes. Therefore how can you believe an image of Japan or Brazil if you have not seen it with your own eyes?Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaWhat claims did I make about Japan or Brazil? You are using strawman arguments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan
What has Japan and Brazil got to do with the shape of the earth?
Answer that
No I understand that you are trying to use strawman arguments. I asked if you accept images as proof, since you brought up images from space. Images can be manipulated, I prefer to trust natural science and practical demonstration using tangible substance.Quote:
Originally Posted by FatboxingfanYou missed the point completely. You said that one cannot believe an image if one had not seen it with their own eyes. Therefore how can you believe an image of Japan or Brazil if you have not seen it with your own eyes?Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaWhat claims did I make about Japan or Brazil? You are using strawman arguments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan
What has Japan and Brazil got to do with the shape of the earth?
Answer that
So again, how does Japan and Brazil prove a globe?
I'm asking you if you accept images of Japan and Brazil as proof that Japan and Brazil really exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaNo I understand that you are trying to use strawman arguments. I asked if you accept images as proof, since you brought up images from space. Images can be manipulated, I prefer to trust natural science and practical demonstration using tangible substance.Quote:
Originally Posted by FatboxingfanYou missed the point completely. You said that one cannot believe an image if one had not seen it with their own eyes. Therefore how can you believe an image of Japan or Brazil if you have not seen it with your own eyes?Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaWhat claims did I make about Japan or Brazil? You are using strawman arguments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan
What has Japan and Brazil got to do with the shape of the earth?
Answer that
So again, how does Japan and Brazil prove a globe?
Answer that. Yes or no.
The question is not relevant to the shape of the earth, why do you continue to strawman?Quote:
Originally Posted by FatboxingfanI'm asking you if you accept images of Japan and Brazil as proof that Japan and Brazil really exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaNo I understand that you are trying to use strawman arguments. I asked if you accept images as proof, since you brought up images from space. Images can be manipulated, I prefer to trust natural science and practical demonstration using tangible substance.Quote:
Originally Posted by FatboxingfanYou missed the point completely. You said that one cannot believe an image if one had not seen it with their own eyes. Therefore how can you believe an image of Japan or Brazil if you have not seen it with your own eyes?Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaWhat claims did I make about Japan or Brazil? You are using strawman arguments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan
What has Japan and Brazil got to do with the shape of the earth?
Answer that
So again, how does Japan and Brazil prove a globe?
Answer that. Yes or no.
How does a photo of Japan and Brazil prove a globe?
You did not answer my question.
Yes or no.
Are you discussing the claims of the globe?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan
No my friend. just forget about the globe for a minute and answer my question which is not related to the globe.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaAre you discussing the claims of the globe?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan
Nah because your question is a strawman as you just showed.Quote:
Originally Posted by FatboxingfanNo my friend. just forget about the globe for a minute and answer my question which is not related to the globe.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaAre you discussing the claims of the globe?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan
Okay since you refuse to answer it it proves you are a coward.
I shall answer it for you, coward.
If you cannot trust an image of something without seeing it with your own eyes, then you cannot trust and image of anything without seeing it with your own eyes.
I know that is tough for you.
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What's up Alpha how you been man? Judging by the rising sun and the sphere under a starry night on their flags I'm assuming both Countries are not flat Earthers ;D.
Alpha has been here longer than you and he has proven his point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan
.... That the Earth is flat???
This part of the form is turning into the LSD part.
Ad hominem attacks already? Unfortunately for you they are not proof of the claims of the globe. You did not reply to my original question to you, but want to label me a coward? Bit hypercritical. So I guess you believe in Nessy of Loch Ness, Bigfoot etc, because all you need is an image.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan
The only thing tough seems to be your understanding of fallacies. You admitted your question has nothing to do with the claims of the globe (Strawman), so there is no reason to continue the discussion.
Another thing you fail to understand is that travelling to Japan or Brazil is it's testable and repeatable.
An image alone is not proof of anything. But I'll be waiting for your physical practical demonstration of a standing body of water naturally conforming to the exterior of a shape.
Hello Spicoli, how are you bud? Yea just trying to understand how pictures of either country or their flags :) prove the shape of the earthQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
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That is a breathtakingly ridiculous argument you are making. hundreds of rocket launches have shown a round and circular planet Earth and the rotation of the Earth for a full 360 degrees. Of course that is testable. Satellites orbit the Earth filming the surface for 360 degrees all around and back. None of the oceans that are photographed are fake. Have you ever watched baumgartner jump out at over 100,000 ft with his GoPro on his helmet? And have you not heard of gravity? You flat-earthers just cannot be for real. Do you think there is a true-up and a true down? Gravity pulls everything on the surface of a sphere towards the center including water.
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Holyshit give me some of those magic mushrooms you are chewing on.
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BINGO. Hell you can call me Brooke anytime you want now.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzNot really you live your life accepting many things you have not personally proved are true. You are just re-inventing empirical evidence pretending that every scientist tests everything they believe, rejecting the documentation of all others. It is not the definition of fact , It's just pretend mate where you dismiss anything that contradicts your belief. You believe in the idea of a flat earth, not the reality of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaDefinition of fact - a thing that is known or proved to be true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz"Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please"Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
- Mark Twain
Like water always filling it's container and the surface being flat, in our reality?
Don't assign labels to me, I am an individual on my own personal journey. There is no community or movement. The ground we are on is what is is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan
So can you provide a physical, practical demonstration of a standing body of water naturally conforming to the exterior of a shape, like you claim it can?
Few things, Neil DeGrasse Tyson, a heliocentric priest says you wouldn't see curvature from the height of the space jump. GoPro's use wide angle lenses, that cause curved lines. And here's a nice one for you to research, outside of magnets (which we don't really understand the mechanics of) there is no such thing as a pulling force. Everything is push. Now when I say push or pull, they are just discriptors. I'm talking about the actual mechanics. When you 'push' something, it's apply pressure causing motion.
So you don't understand the physics of water? All you have to do is provide a physical, practical demonstration of a standing body of water conforming to the exterior of a shape to prove your belief true.Quote:
Originally Posted by FatboxingfanBINGO. Hell you can call me Brooke anytime you want now.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzNot really you live your life accepting many things you have not personally proved are true. You are just re-inventing empirical evidence pretending that every scientist tests everything they believe, rejecting the documentation of all others. It is not the definition of fact , It's just pretend mate where you dismiss anything that contradicts your belief. You believe in the idea of a flat earth, not the reality of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaDefinition of fact - a thing that is known or proved to be true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanz"Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please"Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha
- Mark Twain
Like water always filling it's container and the surface being flat, in our reality?
I have always been highly suspicious of the Pacific Ocean. I swear it is juat an extension of all the other oceans and they just gave it a new name. It's the same water just moved about a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan
Satellites and space stations have THOUSANDS OF TIMES filmed in stationary positions as well as orbited the planet Earth for weeks and months at a time videotaping the entire thing. Down below you can see the continents slowly going by moving Eastward. you see Africa and then the world keeps turning and you see the Atlantic ocean and it keeps turning and you see North America coming to view etc etc. THE PLANET IS A PERFECT SPHERE. WHEN LOOKING AT IT FROM SPACE YOU CAN ONLY SEE PART OF THE GLOBAL LANDSCAPE. therefore clearly the other countries and continents are on the other side of the sphere. If it was all flat you could see the entire global landscape like on a map hanging on your wall.
You jump up in the air and you come back down to the ground. What do you call that? You don't believe in gravity then?
I can't believe anybody actually engages with these people.
There is no gravity, the earth sucksQuote:
Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan
Diversity of thought is fun. You can put him on ignore if it upsets you so much. For instance, religion is silly, the modern Labour Party is silly, and Rap music is silly, but we seem to accept they have their place. I don't mind just as long as nobody is forcing me to change my own views.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan
Stand on one side of your house and get a friend to stand on the otherside. You won't be able to see each other. Doesn't mean your section is curved, just that there is stuff in the way. Can you see what's going on 3 blocks away from your door step? Pathetic, you must be new to this. All your talk about images and visuals but unable to accept the physics of water in your reality. Still waiting on that practical demonstration of your belief that a standing body of water naturally conforming to the exterior of a shape.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan
I call jumping in the air and coming back down exactly that. Can you please define the term gravity so I know what you are referring to. You are the one that has failed to provide a practical demonstration of your belief. I feel the same way when zealots continue to push their beliefs without being able to practically demonstrate them as objective truths.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan
Exactly, all I'm doing is asking questions of the affirmative claim. Those claims need to be practically demonstrated physically, using tangible substance before I would accept them as true. The globe reminds me of a cult, once someone leaves, all the other members try like crazy to get you back into their fold.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfDiversity of thought is fun. You can put him on ignore if it upsets you so much. For instance, religion is silly, the modern Labour Party is silly, and Rap music is silly, but we seem to accept they have their place. I don't mind just as long as nobody is forcing me to change my own views.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan
I like this quote from Gandhi "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win"
To often we are too busy talking to ourselves and can’t hear anything. But alpha are you saying the earth is definitely flat or are you saying it may not be round. Granted I can’t hold a ball of water but latitude and longitude have been accurate for a long time and is based on “roundness”. I don’t believe just because I can’t see certain things they don’t exist for now the mirror is dim and we see little but a time will come when we see all. I try not to attack anyone for their beliefs. I have been attacked for some of mine it’s pointless. As long as someone isn’t delusional it’s cool. I would like the flat earth believers to provide answers. Perhaps build a model of an accurate earth. Are there people on both sides? What keeps the water from falling off of a flat surface. The people living on the bottom, if they are, do they have water. Have we met these people.
Wow. I volunteered once at a schizophrenia clinic for 8 hours as part of a 3-credit Abnormal Psychology class in Birmingham.
These flat Earth claims come very near the centre of delusions of schizophrenics.
"Just that there is stuff in the way"?Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaStand on one side of your house and get a friend to stand on the otherside. You won't be able to see each other. Doesn't mean your section is curved, just that there is stuff in the way. Can you see what's going on 3 blocks away from your door step? Pathetic, you must be new to this. All your talk about images and visuals but unable to accept the physics of water in your reality. Still waiting on that practical demonstration of your belief that a standing body of water naturally conforming to the exterior of a shape.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan
I call jumping in the air and coming back down exactly that. Can you please define the term gravity so I know what you are referring to. You are the one that has failed to provide a practical demonstration of your belief. I feel the same way when zealots continue to push their beliefs without being able to practically demonstrate them as objective truths.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan
You will have to demonstrate that in order to prove your claim that something is in the way
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two people standing on different sides of a house is a strawman argument. What does the house have to do with looking at the Earth from outer space? Absolutely nothing. You must be the biggest hypocrite of all time. Talking to you is like talking to a schizophrenic. You can never get anywhere.
#NeverForget @walrusQuote:
Originally Posted by walrusSo u call me susceptible to deception for my spiritual beliefs. Is that how we counter differing views now? Seems a bit narrow. If I may ask, when did I mention religion to youQuote:
Originally Posted by AlphaAgain, if you want to believe hearsay, pictures and video, then all power to you. I prefer actual science. You know, natural science, that uses empirical evidence to prove things.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by walrus
Wtf do astronauts know? They're in on it.
It's all part of the Global Astronomical Roundness Bullshit Assertions and other Great Errors (or G.A.R.B.A.G.E) conspiracy.
But again, if you want to believe water can conform to the exterior of a shape, when you know that's impossible in our reality, and again, something you have never seen, and are able to prove yourself, doesn't happen in our reality, then all power to you. You believe in God without any empirical evidence, so you have already shown that you are susceptible to deception. But I hope you realize that is also only a belief, and not a proven fact as well.
#ToomanytellsQuote:
Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan#NeverForget @walrusQuote:
Originally Posted by walrusSo u call me susceptible to deception for my spiritual beliefs. Is that how we counter differing views now? Seems a bit narrow. If I may ask, when did I mention religion to youQuote:
Originally Posted by AlphaAgain, if you want to believe hearsay, pictures and video, then all power to you. I prefer actual science. You know, natural science, that uses empirical evidence to prove things.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by walrus
Wtf do astronauts know? They're in on it.
It's all part of the Global Astronomical Roundness Bullshit Assertions and other Great Errors (or G.A.R.B.A.G.E) conspiracy.
But again, if you want to believe water can conform to the exterior of a shape, when you know that's impossible in our reality, and again, something you have never seen, and are able to prove yourself, doesn't happen in our reality, then all power to you. You believe in God without any empirical evidence, so you have already shown that you are susceptible to deception. But I hope you realize that is also only a belief, and not a proven fact as well.
@Alpha
Why don’t you drive to the edge of the Earth and take a picture? Then post it. Drive to the edge of the Earth.
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Means what exactly? Calm your tits and happy Halloween 😄Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli#ToomanytellsQuote:
Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan#NeverForget @walrusQuote:
Originally Posted by walrusSo u call me susceptible to deception for my spiritual beliefs. Is that how we counter differing views now? Seems a bit narrow. If I may ask, when did I mention religion to youQuote:
Originally Posted by AlphaAgain, if you want to believe hearsay, pictures and video, then all power to you. I prefer actual science. You know, natural science, that uses empirical evidence to prove things.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by walrus
Wtf do astronauts know? They're in on it.
It's all part of the Global Astronomical Roundness Bullshit Assertions and other Great Errors (or G.A.R.B.A.G.E) conspiracy.
But again, if you want to believe water can conform to the exterior of a shape, when you know that's impossible in our reality, and again, something you have never seen, and are able to prove yourself, doesn't happen in our reality, then all power to you. You believe in God without any empirical evidence, so you have already shown that you are susceptible to deception. But I hope you realize that is also only a belief, and not a proven fact as well.
Laugh it up RavioliQuote:
Originally Posted by FatboxingfanMeans what exactly? Calm your tits and happy Halloween 😄Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli#ToomanytellsQuote:
Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan#NeverForget @walrusQuote:
Originally Posted by walrusSo u call me susceptible to deception for my spiritual beliefs. Is that how we counter differing views now? Seems a bit narrow. If I may ask, when did I mention religion to youQuote:
Originally Posted by AlphaAgain, if you want to believe hearsay, pictures and video, then all power to you. I prefer actual science. You know, natural science, that uses empirical evidence to prove things.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by walrus
Wtf do astronauts know? They're in on it.
It's all part of the Global Astronomical Roundness Bullshit Assertions and other Great Errors (or G.A.R.B.A.G.E) conspiracy.
But again, if you want to believe water can conform to the exterior of a shape, when you know that's impossible in our reality, and again, something you have never seen, and are able to prove yourself, doesn't happen in our reality, then all power to you. You believe in God without any empirical evidence, so you have already shown that you are susceptible to deception. But I hope you realize that is also only a belief, and not a proven fact as well.
I am saying that the earth is demonstrably level based on practical demonstration of tangible substance. It is definitely not a globe as the physics of water demonstrate. Longitude and Latitude were invented on a flat map by Eratosthenes https://www.ancient.eu/uploads/image...g?v=1485682718Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
I also try not to attack other peoples beliefs, the thing is the affirmative claim is what is being taught to everyone, when it is only a concept, and the claims can't be practically demonstrated using tangible substances. I consider myself a direct realist. There are people that put maps and models and speculations together, I however have never been supportive of maps or models, as I feel full unrestricted exploration is required before we can move forward. I always felt maps and models were a bad idea because they open the door to strawman arguments. I prefer to focus on Natural Science and tangible substance.
Are you disputing the physics of water?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan
If I stand on one side of my house with someone on the otherside, the house is in the way. Same with 3 blocks over. Houses are in the way. Why are you being intellectually dishonest?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan"Just that there is stuff in the way"?Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaStand on one side of your house and get a friend to stand on the otherside. You won't be able to see each other. Doesn't mean your section is curved, just that there is stuff in the way. Can you see what's going on 3 blocks away from your door step? Pathetic, you must be new to this. All your talk about images and visuals but unable to accept the physics of water in your reality. Still waiting on that practical demonstration of your belief that a standing body of water naturally conforming to the exterior of a shape.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan
I call jumping in the air and coming back down exactly that. Can you please define the term gravity so I know what you are referring to. You are the one that has failed to provide a practical demonstration of your belief. I feel the same way when zealots continue to push their beliefs without being able to practically demonstrate them as objective truths.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan
You will have to demonstrate that in order to prove your claim that something is in the way
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No it's not. You said you would be able to see the entire global landscape if it was flat. I was pointing out an objective truth that you can't even see a few blocks away with houses, trees etc on the land.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan
I'll ask again, can you provide a physical, practical demonstration of a standing body of water naturally conforming to the exterior of a shape?
Oh and I see you ignored the request to define your use of the term gravity.
There's no need to talk to me, unless you have a practical demonstration.
I know right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli#ToomanytellsQuote:
Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan#NeverForget @walrusQuote:
Originally Posted by walrusSo u call me susceptible to deception for my spiritual beliefs. Is that how we counter differing views now? Seems a bit narrow. If I may ask, when did I mention religion to youQuote:
Originally Posted by AlphaAgain, if you want to believe hearsay, pictures and video, then all power to you. I prefer actual science. You know, natural science, that uses empirical evidence to prove things.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by walrus
Wtf do astronauts know? They're in on it.
It's all part of the Global Astronomical Roundness Bullshit Assertions and other Great Errors (or G.A.R.B.A.G.E) conspiracy.
But again, if you want to believe water can conform to the exterior of a shape, when you know that's impossible in our reality, and again, something you have never seen, and are able to prove yourself, doesn't happen in our reality, then all power to you. You believe in God without any empirical evidence, so you have already shown that you are susceptible to deception. But I hope you realize that is also only a belief, and not a proven fact as well.
Another strawman? What is this edge you speak off and have you been to it? Because you will need to prove that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan