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Bolton apparently didn't want Trump throwing a dinner party for the taliban at Camp David on the anniversary of 9/11.

The whole thing is a hell of a story.

The US envoy negotiated a peace deal with the Taliban. Trump decided to jump in and take any credit for making a deal seeing as he's only managed to blow up existing deals since he took office, so he invited the Taliban to Camp David to have a sham negotiation and a signing ceremony but without telling almost every member of the national security team up to and including Bolton. The Taliban said nah, the deal signed first with the envoy they'd negotiated it with, visit later. No way for Trump to claim credit no he used the latest in an ongoing series of Taliban attacks to claim he wasn't now going to sign the deal he'd had nothing to do with, leaving Bolton and the rest to clean his shit up again.

Keeps flip flopping all over the place on every big foreign policy question. Wants to look like he's in charge and competent but has no idea what he's doing.

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He's winging it. Very badly. Best I can tell the Taliban currently control more territory than at anytime since 2001, the Afghan Government were basically kept out of any negotiations to the point of never receiving a single draft and resented the U.S for legitimizing those feckers..who also refused a cease fire. An insurgent terrorist org setting demands in a land where the elected Afghan Government is locked out 'until later' so the U.S can largely withdraw. Even entertaining a meet at Camp David with 9-11 around the corner was truly incompetent.

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Most wars end by negotiations. The only other uption is unconditional surrender. The only way to get the Taliban to unconditional surrender would be to restart full combat and carpet bombing. The majority of wars end at negotiations. I’m no fan of the Taliban but they are a reality. Why not at least talk to them. It’s not a new idea, Obama has been talking about it. The problem at the minute is the Taliban will talk to us but not the Afghan government. Not a good situation but trump didn’t start this war and it would be great to see it end. It’s not like the US hadn’t negotiated with some very shady characters in the past. I’m not saying it’s a great idea I’m saying let’s try something different

You guys saying how nasty talking to the tali are, spend a little time at war and then tell me how bad talks are

US attorney recommends proceeding with charges against McCabe, as DOJ rejects last-ditch appeal
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-...t-ditch-appeal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx5GwULPU90

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Anybody who isn't a conspiracy theorist Fox News viewer in their seventies running the country would be an improvement. Ideally somebody who isn't a proven racist fraudster serial bankrupt sex criminal would be an improvement as well but the crucial thing is not to be a fucking nut and in the Oval Office.

Far too early to think about presidential candidates yet, they're still trying to win a primary. Any eventual candidate will have a different platform from whatever they're currently saying to get the nomination. People will go up and down in the horse race. Pointless speculating about anything yet. The eventual election all depends on the economy over the next ten months anyway.

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So 4 more years of wishing and hoping it is.

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Ideally somebody who isn't a proven racist fraudster serial bankrupt sex criminal

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Take you time on thinking of whoever you plan on supporting as they will finish well behind Trump. They could draft Oprah, they could get HRC back in the race, Biden won't cut it, Warren is the establishment's next choice, Bernie didn't get it in 2016 he won't get it now, Kamala Harris is finished, Booker never had a chance, Beto never had a chance, Mayor Pete is a nobody.


Prepare yourself for a very large defeat

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he first time Trump ever made the papers it was when he was being sued by the DOJ for racial discrimination. That's the Nixon administration DOJ. He eventually settled with them and agreed to stop being so racist but broke the agreement almost straight away and spent years in court fighting for the right to be racially discriminate. At one deposition he told the DOJ attoreys "you wouldn't want to live next to them either".

https://www.nytimes.com/times-inside...=tw-share&_r=0

Then there are the endless stories about racist behaviour over the years. One of dozens at random:

“When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor,” Brown said. “It was the eighties, I was a teenager, but I remember it: They put us all in the back.”hen there's the current day stuff. Here's the then most senior governmental member of his own party admitting he's a textbook racist back during the 2016 election campaign:


Ryan: Trump’s comments ‘textbook definition’ of racism

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/08/u...lo-curiel.html


Beyond that there's been such a blizzard of racist rhetoric from him you'd have to be a real racist piece of shit to even begin to claim he isn't a racist. Which of course you are. I've told you before Lyle, have the courage of your convictions and get ahead of the curve and come out of the closet because next year when the election campaign kicks off and Trump cranks up the racist rhetoric Trump supporters will be saying hell yeah I'm racist. It'll be a badge of honour for them.
Trump paid a $25 million settlement after he won the 2016 election to avoid being indicted for fraud over his Trump University scam, a crokked enterprise that deliberately targeted desperate gullible poor people.

Schnackenberg’s testimony was one of the documents unsealed by a judge in the class-action suit, which was brought in California by some of Trump University’s disgruntled former attendees.Schnackenberg, who worked in Trump’s office at 40 Wall Street, testified that “while Trump University claimed it wanted to help consumers make money in real estate, in fact Trump University was only interested in selling every person the most expensive seminars they possibly could.” The affidavit concludes, “Based upon my personal experience and employment, I believe that Trump University was a fraudulent scheme, and that it preyed upon the elderly and uneducated to separate them from their money.”

https://www.newyorker.com/news/john-...than-you-think




If a cash-strapped applicant said, “I don’t like using my credit cards and going into debt,” the playbook instructed recruiters to respond, “[D]o you like living paycheck to paycheck? … Do you enjoy seeing everyone else but yourself in their dream houses and driving their dreams cars with huge checking accounts? Those people saw an opportunity, and didn’t make excuses, like what you’re doing now.”
Most charmingly, the playbooks suggest recruiters exploit the desperation of a single parent with hungry children in order to convince said parent to take on massive credit-card debt.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/...ngry-kids.html


The multiple bankrupcies are a matter of public record. This is a guy who managed to go bust several times running casinos. And Trump is on tape admitting to routine sexual assault to a witness who confirms the conversation.

As far as any election goes it might as well be a decade from now. Anything could happen but almost certainly the state of the economy will decide who wins. Trump's best hope is that wages should start to really increase rapidly in such a tight labour market. He'll have had nothing to do with wage increases happening but he'll get the credit for it from voters. It must concern you that even with low unemployment, what passes for a strong economy these days and no major wars Trump is getting scalped by like four or five Democratic candidates in the polls. Even Fox News have him losing by double digits to Biden and a few others. In an actual election a couple of days ago in North Carolina the GOP scraped home by just over a point in a district that Trump won by ten points in 2016. That continues the historic points margin that the Democrats won the midterms by. If that kind of margin is replicated next year it'll be the biggest landslide defeat in history. And this is while voter perception of the economy is still good! It could get a lot worse. But hey, it might as well be a decade away. Let's wait six months before even hazarding a guess about the election.

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Bolton apparently didn't want Trump throwing a dinner party for the taliban at Camp David on the anniversary of 9/11.

The whole thing is a hell of a story.

The US envoy negotiated a peace deal with the Taliban. Trump decided to jump in and take any credit for making a deal seeing as he's only managed to blow up existing deals since he took office, so he invited the Taliban to Camp David to have a sham negotiation and a signing ceremony but without telling almost every member of the national security team up to and including Bolton. The Taliban said nah, the deal signed first with the envoy they'd negotiated it with, visit later. No way for Trump to claim credit no he used the latest in an ongoing series of Taliban attacks to claim he wasn't now going to sign the deal he'd had nothing to do with, leaving Bolton and the rest to clean his shit up again.

Keeps flip flopping all over the place on every big foreign policy question. Wants to look like he's in charge and competent but has no idea what he's doing.

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He's winging it. Very badly. Best I can tell the Taliban currently control more territory than at anytime since 2001, the Afghan Government were basically kept out of any negotiations to the point of never receiving a single draft and resented the U.S for legitimizing those feckers..who also refused a cease fire. An insurgent terrorist org setting demands in a land where the elected Afghan Government is locked out 'until later' so the U.S can largely withdraw. Even entertaining a meet at Camp David with 9-11 around the corner was truly incompetent.

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America is spending more every year to keep the Afghan government in power over less than half the country than total Afghan GDP. So clearly once they do pull out the whole thing collapses into chaos, civil war and epic bloodletting. No prez wants this on his or her CV. Trump wants any kind of "deal" drawn up before the election which he can then trumpet like he just negotiated the Peace of Westphalia. But he'll want the troops to remain indefinitely so the bloodletting bit doesn't get attached to him.

The whole thing is just a shitshow. It's like a Fox News viewer making foreign policy decisions based on what he hears the nutjobs on Fox news saying. Right now he's discussing lending Iran money to help their economy out as it's suffering due to the sanctions he imposed to get them back into compliance with the nuclear deal they were already complying with before he ripped it up. And he's so desperate for any kind of deal or victory that he may well just redo the Obama era deal with Iran and then go and Peace of Westphalia it with his voters knowing that they're all gullible morons and will believe anything he says.

Oh and money laundering. In another example of rich guy justice Trump paid the biggest settlement ever to avoid going to jail for money laundering back when he was running casinos and was still solvent but his casinos were going down the tubes. So he started money laundering to keep afloat.

So racist fraudster serial bankrupt money laundering sex criminal. And this is the person some people believe is saving them from some deep state conspiracy. You world historic gullible fucking morons.

OK Kirkland, first article settled by consent decree meaning 0 guilt established....uh what's that again? How much guilt 0...0.....and again 0. Thank you for playing.

Paul Ryan a Never Trumper who suddenly resigned for some reason perhaps we'll find out in future. As for the remarks on Judge Curiel, let's take a look see at the judge in question...hmmmm.....Curiel is a member of the San Diego La Raza Lawyers Association, a nonprofit professional association of Latino lawyers that is affiliated with a statewide organization, the La Raza Lawyers of California. On his 2011 questionnaire, Curiel also noted that he was a "life-time member" of the Hispanic National Bar Association, and a member of the National Hispanic Prosecutors Association, as well as the Latino Judges Association....so it could be inferred that heritage and race are driving factors for the judge which is what Donald Trump said so how exactly is that criticism racist?


A Trump University? OK I'll counter....Laureate University

And the sob story of 'Trump University preyed on single mothers'....yeah that ain't exactly the case though is it? The sales tactic was "find out personal information you can use during closing time" ....so it was just hardselling skeptical people all of whom were adults and able to make their own decisions we assume.



So that's 0 for racism and a push on troublesome for profit universities. :thumb: Great job

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Bolton apparently didn't want Trump throwing a dinner party for the taliban at Camp David on the anniversary of 9/11.

The whole thing is a hell of a story.

The US envoy negotiated a peace deal with the Taliban. Trump decided to jump in and take any credit for making a deal seeing as he's only managed to blow up existing deals since he took office, so he invited the Taliban to Camp David to have a sham negotiation and a signing ceremony but without telling almost every member of the national security team up to and including Bolton. The Taliban said nah, the deal signed first with the envoy they'd negotiated it with, visit later. No way for Trump to claim credit no he used the latest in an ongoing series of Taliban attacks to claim he wasn't now going to sign the deal he'd had nothing to do with, leaving Bolton and the rest to clean his shit up again.

Keeps flip flopping all over the place on every big foreign policy question. Wants to look like he's in charge and competent but has no idea what he's doing.

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He's winging it. Very badly. Best I can tell the Taliban currently control more territory than at anytime since 2001, the Afghan Government were basically kept out of any negotiations to the point of never receiving a single draft and resented the U.S for legitimizing those feckers..who also refused a cease fire. An insurgent terrorist org setting demands in a land where the elected Afghan Government is locked out 'until later' so the U.S can largely withdraw. Even entertaining a meet at Camp David with 9-11 around the corner was truly incompetent.

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Most wars end by negotiations. The only other uption is unconditional surrender. The only way to get the Taliban to unconditional surrender would be to restart full combat and carpet bombing. The majority of wars end at negotiations. I’m no fan of the Taliban but they are a reality. Why not at least talk to them. It’s not a new idea, Obama has been talking about it. The problem at the minute is the Taliban will talk to us but not the Afghan government. Not a good situation but trump didn’t start this war and it would be great to see it end. It’s not like the US hadn’t negotiated with some very shady characters in the past. I’m not saying it’s a great idea I’m saying let’s try something different

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Hey Marine, nothing but respect and I'm no proponent of endless wars. But sometimes they are negotiated so haphazardly that we end up doing them all over again and sending the next generation. We've seen that movie more than once. But Taliban on U.S soil was a non starter and this is about Trump blind siding ongoing efforts and his foreign policy via random tweet thus far has proven nothing but self promotion and costly to future efforts and our cred. Again embracing bad operators and letting allies be locked out is a recipe for disaster.

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this is about Trump blind siding ongoing efforts and his foreign policy via random tweet thus far has proven nothing but self promotion and costly to future efforts and our cred. Again embracing bad operators and letting allies be locked out is a recipe for disaster.

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It's like you know who Donald Trump is, but have never learned the moves he does. I get it, because the media treats him that way all the time. Look, the guy wrote 'The Art of the Deal' understand that and you understand his way of doing business (now political business).

He's made wild demands in some cases and allowed the other side to haggle him down but he still gets what he wants. Everyone was nervous about him meeting with Kim Jong Un and in meeting with Lil Kim he wound up ending the Korean War which I was told by the media and various Democrat leaders that he'd only start a war. Likewise there was a lot of pearl clutching about Syria and him taking us to war vs Russia (which how he was to do that AND also collude with Russia is a bit of a headscratcher) and he has been very measured in his dealings with the entire Middle East other than who we're already at full war with and he's done his best to end those as well. ISIS was doing quite well under Obama and Trump let loose on them and where are they now? Not doing so hot.

I don't believe that Trump goes searching for the quick fix, I think he looks to play the long game, like China and the trade war, it might get uncomfortable for the United States, but not as uncomfortable as it will get for China and in the end the United States will get a better deal.


We'll see what happens with the Taliban and Afghan government. They aren't the most stable groups and it isn't the most stable region. We'll see what happens.




Oh and for Syria....https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-...ys-in-advance/

But yeah "Benghazi happened because of a YouTube video"....fucking ridiculous how easily people bought/buy Obama's lies. When people will finally wake up and see him for who he truly is I don't know.

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Bolton apparently didn't want Trump throwing a dinner party for the taliban at Camp David on the anniversary of 9/11.

The whole thing is a hell of a story.

The US envoy negotiated a peace deal with the Taliban. Trump decided to jump in and take any credit for making a deal seeing as he's only managed to blow up existing deals since he took office, so he invited the Taliban to Camp David to have a sham negotiation and a signing ceremony but without telling almost every member of the national security team up to and including Bolton. The Taliban said nah, the deal signed first with the envoy they'd negotiated it with, visit later. No way for Trump to claim credit no he used the latest in an ongoing series of Taliban attacks to claim he wasn't now going to sign the deal he'd had nothing to do with, leaving Bolton and the rest to clean his shit up again.

Keeps flip flopping all over the place on every big foreign policy question. Wants to look like he's in charge and competent but has no idea what he's doing.

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He's winging it. Very badly. Best I can tell the Taliban currently control more territory than at anytime since 2001, the Afghan Government were basically kept out of any negotiations to the point of never receiving a single draft and resented the U.S for legitimizing those feckers..who also refused a cease fire. An insurgent terrorist org setting demands in a land where the elected Afghan Government is locked out 'until later' so the U.S can largely withdraw. Even entertaining a meet at Camp David with 9-11 around the corner was truly incompetent.

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Most wars end by negotiations. The only other uption is unconditional surrender. The only way to get the Taliban to unconditional surrender would be to restart full combat and carpet bombing. The majority of wars end at negotiations. I’m no fan of the Taliban but they are a reality. Why not at least talk to them. It’s not a new idea, Obama has been talking about it. The problem at the minute is the Taliban will talk to us but not the Afghan government. Not a good situation but trump didn’t start this war and it would be great to see it end. It’s not like the US hadn’t negotiated with some very shady characters in the past. I’m not saying it’s a great idea I’m saying let’s try something different

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Hey Marine, nothing but respect and I'm no proponent of endless wars. But sometimes they are negotiated so haphazardly that we end up doing them all over again and sending the next generation. We've seen that movie more than once. But Taliban on U.S soil was a non starter and this is about Trump blind siding ongoing efforts and his foreign policy via random tweet thus far has proven nothing but self promotion and costly to future efforts and our cred. Again embracing bad operators and letting allies be locked out is a recipe for disaster.

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I really don’t care where the meeting took place. Don’t really care about the date either. If it’s here in September or Switzerland in April I don’t care. I didn’t like the deal Obama made with Iran but I thought it was good he talked with them. We have every nut in the world come to the UN anyway. Shit if China weren’t such an economic power everyone would be saying why is anyone talking to that evil country. I’d prefer to see the Taliban gone. Who knows how trustworthy they could be, probably not very, but I’m all for talking and for all I care they can all meet at my place

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Just a few days after the anniversary of 9/11 and you have the audacity to ask 'And' ?

Here is YOUR man. Your idol, hero, mentor boasting about how tight the leash the Saudis have him on is. And yet you refuse to call him out on it because you are too invested in identity politics. You would rather call out fellow American posters or fellow American voters who dare suggest that serving your country should mean just that, and not serving the interest of your ego or your business empire. I have never made excuses for any British government who sold weapons to the Saudis or supported their despotic country, whatever side of the political divide they come from here. That would be a given for most posters I think who are disgusted by hypocrisy when they see it, wherever it falls on the political spectrum.

For you though he can do no wrong. He is your Alpha and Omega because QAnon told you so, and that makes you special. It makes you feel even more special than using your steam powered vape driven Penny Farthing whilst wearing a smoking jacket and reading your alt right fantasy British Empire wank fodder.


https://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfo...tid=5000&stc=1

Britain is just as complicit in supplying the expertise, personnel and arsenal that is used to wipe out common ordinary people that mean nothing to you because of being born in what you consider the 'WRONG' country


https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ens-deadly-war

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OK Kirkland, first article settled by consent decree meaning 0 guilt established....uh what's that again? How much guilt 0...0.....and again 0. Thank you for playing. Paul Ryan a Never Trumper who suddenly resigned for some reason perhaps we'll find out in future. As for the remarks on Judge Curiel, let's take a look see at the judge in question...hmmmm.....Curiel is a member of the San Diego La Raza Lawyers Association, a nonprofit professional association of Latino lawyers that is affiliated with a statewide organization, the La Raza Lawyers of California. On his 2011 questionnaire, Curiel also noted that he was a "life-time member" of the Hispanic National Bar Association, and a member of the National Hispanic Prosecutors Association, as well as the Latino Judges Association....so it could be inferred that heritage and race are driving factors for the judge which is what Donald Trump said so how exactly is that criticism racist? A Trump University? OK I'll counter....Laureate University And the sob story of 'Trump University preyed on single mothers'....yeah that ain't exactly the case though is it? The sales tactic was "find out personal information you can use during closing time" ....so it was just hardselling skeptical people all of whom were adults and able to make their own decisions we assume. So that's 0 for racism and a push on troublesome for profit universities. :thumb: Great job

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Even his own side admit he's a textbook racist. He's got a decades long history of documented racist behaviour. And it wasn't a for profit university. It wasn't a university of any description. It was a scam operation to defraud vulnerable people. An outright fraudulent enterprise. If rich guy justice didn't exist Trump wouldn't have been given the option of paying a fine to compensate the people he defrauded and would have been indicted for fraud. So Lyle. A racist fraudster serial bankrupt money laundering sex criminal and you believe everything he tells you. You gullible fucking moron.

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Saudi Arabia should fight their own wars, which they won't, or pay us an absolute fortune to protect them and their great wealth-$ trillion! https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...98852933013504 It would be nice to see Trump's tax returns to see just how much money Saudi have paid him. Oh wait. Manhattan district attorney subpoenas 8 years of Trump tax returns https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/16/p..._medium=social

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Just a few days after the anniversary of 9/11 and you have the audacity to ask 'And' ? Here is YOUR man. Your idol, hero, mentor boasting about how tight the leash the Saudis have him on is. And yet you refuse to call him out on it because you are too invested in identity politics. You would rather call out fellow American posters or fellow American voters who dare suggest that serving your country should mean just that, and not serving the interest of your ego or your business empire. I have never made excuses for any British government who sold weapons to the Saudis or supported their despotic country, whatever side of the political divide they come from here. That would be a given for most posters I think who are disgusted by hypocrisy when they see it, wherever it falls on the political spectrum. For you though he can do no wrong. He is your Alpha and Omega because QAnon told you so, and that makes you special. It makes you feel even more special than using your steam powered vape driven Penny Farthing whilst wearing a smoking jacket and reading your alt right fantasy British Empire wank fodder. https://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfo...tid=5000&stc=1 Britain is just as complicit in supplying the expertise, personnel and arsenal that is used to wipe out common ordinary people that mean nothing to you because of being born in what you consider the 'WRONG' country https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ens-deadly-war

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Tulsi Gabbard Rips Trump on Iran Threats: Acting Like ‘Saudi Arabia’s B*tch is Not America First’ https://www.mediaite.com/election-20...america-first/

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Even his own side admit he's a textbook racist. He's got a decades long history of documented racist behaviour. And it wasn't a for profit university. It wasn't a university of any description. It was a scam operation to defraud vulnerable people. An outright fraudulent enterprise. If rich guy justice didn't exist Trump wouldn't have been given the option of paying a fine to compensate the people he defrauded and would have been indicted for fraud. So Lyle. A racist fraudster serial bankrupt money laundering sex criminal and you believe everything he tells you. You gullible fucking moron.

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If that's what you choose to believe then believe it. Paul Ryan was NEVER on Trump's side.

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I quite like Tulsi, it's a shame the Democrats don't and especially after she walloped Kamala Harris as well. Harris is a gold bricking phony if ever there was one. She may as well be wearing blackface with how she carries herself, it's at least as offputting as Hillary "I carry hot sauce in my purse...no really" Clinton. Tulsi had the correct idea in that Trump might be most vulnerable to the CENTER, which is why I'm guessing Biden is being pushed so hard as he's an old school Democrat, but they've got no leash on the monster they've created by catering to the Socialists and SJW Silicon Valley types and so Biden is everyone's punching bag right now.


Biden isn't doing too poorly considering he's survived 2 brain aneurysms and he's 76 years old. But he's going to fade which will leave the Democrats scrambling for the next heir apparent....Warren most likely.



Anyway, boy the Dems must be REALLY nervous about RBG to go back to the well against Kavanaugh again and after Christine Blasey Ford's friend, her good buddy Leland Keyser said she was beign coerced into accepting Ford's story and that she (Keyser) thought the story made no sense. Now an accusation has been made (and written about int he NYT) and the victim didn't make the accusation nor does she remember it, BUT luckily for everyone one of Kavanaugh's classmates remembers it clearly....oh and that classmate just happened to be one of Bill Clinton's lawyer during the Lewinsky brouhaha.

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I quite like Tulsi, it's a shame the Democrats don't and especially after she walloped Kamala Harris as well. Harris is a gold bricking phony if ever there was one. She may as well be wearing blackface with how she carries herself, it's at least as offputting as Hillary "I carry hot sauce in my purse...no really" Clinton. Tulsi had the correct idea in that Trump might be most vulnerable to the CENTER, which is why I'm guessing Biden is being pushed so hard as he's an old school Democrat, but they've got no leash on the monster they've created by catering to the Socialists and SJW Silicon Valley types and so Biden is everyone's punching bag right now.


Biden isn't doing too poorly considering he's survived 2 brain aneurysms and he's 76 years old. But he's going to fade which will leave the Democrats scrambling for the next heir apparent....Warren most likely.



Anyway, boy the Dems must be REALLY nervous about RBG to go back to the well against Kavanaugh again and after Christine Blasey Ford's friend, her good buddy Leland Keyser said she was beign coerced into accepting Ford's story and that she (Keyser) thought the story made no sense. Now an accusation has been made (and written about int he NYT) and the victim didn't make the accusation nor does she remember it, BUT luckily for everyone one of Kavanaugh's classmates remembers it clearly....oh and that classmate just happened to be one of Bill Clinton's lawyer during the Lewinsky brouhaha.

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ou can't make a post about black people or people of colour without it degenerating into racism. Fuck off out of it you disgusting racist piece of shit.
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I quite like Tulsi, it's a shame the Democrats don't and especially after she walloped Kamala Harris as well. Harris is a gold bricking phony if ever there was one. She may as well be wearing blackface with how she carries herself, it's at least as offputting as Hillary "I carry hot sauce in my purse...no really" Clinton. Tulsi had the correct idea in that Trump might be most vulnerable to the CENTER, which is why I'm guessing Biden is being pushed so hard as he's an old school Democrat, but they've got no leash on the monster they've created by catering to the Socialists and SJW Silicon Valley types and so Biden is everyone's punching bag right now.


Biden isn't doing too poorly considering he's survived 2 brain aneurysms and he's 76 years old. But he's going to fade which will leave the Democrats scrambling for the next heir apparent....Warren most likely.



Anyway, boy the Dems must be REALLY nervous about RBG to go back to the well against Kavanaugh again and after Christine Blasey Ford's friend, her good buddy Leland Keyser said she was beign coerced into accepting Ford's story and that she (Keyser) thought the story made no sense. Now an accusation has been made (and written about int he NYT) and the victim didn't make the accusation nor does she remember it, BUT luckily for everyone one of Kavanaugh's classmates remembers it clearly....oh and that classmate just happened to be one of Bill Clinton's lawyer during the Lewinsky brouhaha.

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ou can't make a post about black people or people of colour without it degenerating into racism. Fuck off out of it you disgusting racist piece of shit.
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Say what the hell is going on with your posting recently? You post something only it comes out....

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I find that almost as annoying as you calling me a racist.

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Saudi Arabia should fight their own wars, which they won't, or pay us an absolute fortune to protect them and their great wealth-$ trillion! https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...98852933013504 It would be nice to see Trump's tax returns to see just how much money Saudi have paid him. Oh wait. Manhattan district attorney subpoenas 8 years of Trump tax returns https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/16/p..._medium=social

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Are you talking about protecting Saudi oilfeilds enacted under the Carter administration? Or did we skip that part of history and say trump did it

He just can't stop with the criminality can he?

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He just can't stop with the criminality can he?

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Are you talking about the latest attempt to impeach him for what he did with Ukraine?

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He just can't stop with the criminality can he?

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Are you talking about the latest attempt to impeach him for what he did with Ukraine?

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Yes. The day after Mueller testifies and he thinks he got away with rigging the 2016 election he gets on the phone and tries to rig the 2020 election. The fucking day after.

The Trump supporters have gone awfully quiet.

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It gets tiring having to constantly defend and justify a dishonourable as well as a despicable man

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The Trump supporters have gone awfully quiet.

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Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake.

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It gets tiring having to constantly defend and justify a dishonourable as well as a despicable man

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Stop talking about bffbeaner

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The Trump supporters have gone awfully quiet.

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Trump is never going to be impeached but there comes a point when people just can't ignore the rampant lawlessness and are obligated to uphold the oath they swore to defend the constitution.

Michael Flynn pleads Fifth, refuses to be 'paraded, harassed or disparaged' by Adam Schiff

Former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn will invoke his Fifth Amendment rights rather than testify before the House Intelligence Committee, Flynn’s lawyer Sidney Powell said in a letter Monday, according to The Washington Examiner.
Powell, who replaced Flynn’s previous attorneys in June, wrote that Flynn refuses to be “paraded, harassed or disparaged” by Committee Chair Adam Schiff (D-Calif.), according to the Times.

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...earance-report

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Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake.

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Trump is never going to be impeached but there comes a point when people just can't ignore the rampant lawlessness and are obligated to uphold the oath they swore to defend the constitution.

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Did you read the transcript? Where's the broken law? The Democrats have numbers in the House (for now) and some may see this as their moment in the spotlight (likely to be those like AOC who is in a deep blue district) but others (specifically those Democrat Reps in Red states) might see this as something which is not to their advantage.


AND if what you're accusing Trump of is "rampant lawlessness" then oh boy do I have some bad news for you

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Michael Flynn pleads Fifth, refuses to be 'paraded, harassed or disparaged' by Adam Schiff

Former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn will invoke his Fifth Amendment rights rather than testify before the House Intelligence Committee, Flynn’s lawyer Sidney Powell said in a letter Monday, according to The Washington Examiner.
Powell, who replaced Flynn’s previous attorneys in June, wrote that Flynn refuses to be “paraded, harassed or disparaged” by Committee Chair Adam Schiff (D-Calif.), according to the Times.

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...earance-report

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Yeah, the General Flynn case looks only extraordinarily bad for the Democrats now. He won't have to change his plea at all, the ruling will be overturned....but then again we all knew that because somebody had made mention of how he got railroaded by an overeager bunch of rabid Democrats out for any anchor they could tie to Trump.



Kirk, I'm afraid it's only going to get worse for the Democrats.

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Michael Flynn pleads Fifth, refuses to be 'paraded, harassed or disparaged' by Adam Schiff

Former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn will invoke his Fifth Amendment rights rather than testify before the House Intelligence Committee, Flynn’s lawyer Sidney Powell said in a letter Monday, according to The Washington Examiner.
Powell, who replaced Flynn’s previous attorneys in June, wrote that Flynn refuses to be “paraded, harassed or disparaged” by Committee Chair Adam Schiff (D-Calif.), according to the Times.

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...earance-report

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Why would you criticize the guy taking the fifth. It’s probably the smartest move anyone can take. I’m sure there is a lot who wants to say but you open your mouth once you waved your right. I would take the fifth as I know if I didn’t I’d be held in contempt when I called Schiff an asshole

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Trump is never going to be impeached but there comes a point when people just can't ignore the rampant lawlessness and are obligated to uphold the oath they swore to defend the constitution.

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Did you read the transcript? Where's the broken law? The Democrats have numbers in the House (for now) and some may see this as their moment in the spotlight (likely to be those like AOC who is in a deep blue district) but others (specifically those Democrat Reps in Red states) might see this as something which is not to their advantage.


AND if what you're accusing Trump of is "rampant lawlessness" then oh boy do I have some bad news for you

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Michael Flynn pleads Fifth, refuses to be 'paraded, harassed or disparaged' by Adam Schiff


Former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn will invoke his Fifth Amendment rights rather than testify before the House Intelligence Committee, Flynn’s lawyer Sidney Powell said in a letter Monday, according to The Washington Examiner.
Powell, who replaced Flynn’s previous attorneys in June, wrote that Flynn refuses to be “paraded, harassed or disparaged” by Committee Chair Adam Schiff (D-Calif.), according to the Times.

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...earance-report

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Yeah, the General Flynn case looks only extraordinarily bad for the Democrats now. He won't have to change his plea at all, the ruling will be overturned....but then again we all knew that because somebody had made mention of how he got railroaded by an overeager bunch of rabid Democrats out for any anchor they could tie to Trump.



Kirk, I'm afraid it's only going to get worse for the Democrats.

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There isn't a transcript, there's a selectively edited White House memorandum of the conversation. From the time they gave the conversation lasting there should be about three times more words than they've so far shared. They scrapped the original transcript and stored an edited version in a top secret location instead of where it was meant to be kept where dozens of officials could access it for some reason. They've done whis with dozens of calls apparently.

Here's Fox news judge somethingorother on whether Trump broke the law or not:

Judge Napolitano: Trump has admitted committing crime in talks with Ukraine


and a video too

https://www.foxnews.com/media/judge-...admitted-crime


Even conservative news outlets have said he's bang to rights. The Washington Examiner, both editorial and various legal scholars (don't have time to find a link) and the premier conservative outlet, the National Review :

I haven’t been a litigator since 2015. I haven’t conducted a proper cross-examination since 2014. But if I couldn’t walk a witness, judge, and jury through the transcript of Donald Trump’s call with Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky and demonstrate that a quid pro quo was more likely than not, then I should just hang up my suit and retire in disgrace. Far from being “scattershot” — as my esteemed colleague Kyle Smith declares — the actual sequence is extremely tight, and the asks are very clear.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corne...-quid-pro-quo/


And here's a scene from the Godfather with the language from the White House "transcript" added:

https://twitter.com/LarryNoble_DC/st...59931033034759



Also, too:

After the call, multiple officials told the whistle-blower that future talks between Mr. Trump and Mr. Zelensky would depend on whether the Ukranians would “play ball” on the investigations.

I'm guessing Trump will be happy for all these officials to testify under oath to the impeachment inquiry.

And you don't have news for me Lyle, you have a bunch of whackadoodle conspiracy theories that you're too chickenshit to articulate. I have to say Lyle, if Trump is just waiting to drop the hammer and cart off all the deep state Democrats from Obama and Hillary on down then this would be the perfect theatrical moment to do it. It's going to happen any day now. You fucking nut, you gullible fucking moron.


And Flynn did not get railroaded. He's on tape lying to the FBI and admitted to it. Nobody forced him to lie Lyle. Now he's terrified to go under oath in public. You'd think he'd love the opportunity to tell the world how he was framed or whatever but instead the fifth. Jesus Lyle.

"Drain the swamp" :vd:. How did so many eat that gar'bage up. This man is standing center swamp neck deep in a bottomless canoe paddling frantically ffs. The gimmick has run it's course.

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"Drain the swamp" :vd:. How did so many eat that gar'bage up. This man is standing center swamp neck deep in a bottomless canoe paddling frantically ffs. The gimmick has run it's course.

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All the financial regulators run by bank lobbyists. The DOD run by a defence contrator lobbyist who replaced another defence contractor lobbyist/employee. Interior run by a coal lobbyist/energy by an oil lobbyist (might have them the wrong way round). Eugene Scalia running the depatment of Labor ffs.

https://nypost.com/2019/08/27/trump-...or-department/

I'm missing some obvious ones I know. Oh yeah, health lobbysit lawyers now working for the trump administration in court trying to shut Obamacare down and basically running department of health. In related news healthcare sector profits went up 23% year on year this year. 23% profit increase in a year. Impressive. I'm forgetting others.

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"Drain the swamp" :vd:. How did so many eat that gar'bage up. This man is standing center swamp neck deep in a bottomless canoe paddling frantically ffs. The gimmick has run it's course.

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All the financial regulators run by bank lobbyists. The DOD run by a defence contrator lobbyist who replaced another defence contractor lobbyist/employee. Interior run by a coal lobbyist/energy by an oil lobbyist (might have them the wrong way round). Eugene Scalia running the depatment of Labor ffs.

https://nypost.com/2019/08/27/trump-...or-department/

I'm missing some obvious ones I know. Oh yeah, health lobbysit lawyers now working for the trump administration in court trying to shut Obamacare down and basically running department of health. In related news healthcare sector profits went up 23% year on year this year. 23% profit increase in a year. Impressive. I'm forgetting others.

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The consistent obfuscation of a co-equal branch of Government is enough for me now. The stripping of allocated funds for this asinine vanity project of a wall. We have elected official not Kings or dime store mafia dons. What is unfolding and coming to light is corruption and an abuse of power. And the last thing anyone should want is this shat show Impeachment. It's not a celebration. No one should clap. It's a damn shame and embarrassment is what it is.

Kirk I can tell you and I can tell you and I know you won't believe me, you've no good reason to which is why I've stopped trying to convince you and I've just said "We'll see what happens". So as far as impeachment goes "We'll see what happens" as far as illegality "we'll see what happens".


What I see is a rabid bunch of people who are absolutely blinded by emotion (which the mainstream media has whipped them up into a frenzy over) and they cannot seem to understand the irony over what they are angry about because Democrats have tried to obtain dirt on Trump from Russia, from Ukraine, from anyone really...and as per usual with the media and Democrats this kind of shit hasn't been discussed AT ALL so don't get upset when I bring it up, it's not deflection, by all means let's discuss Trump and Zelenskiy's phone chat but if what they discussed is illegal then gee I guess we had better take a look at some other things along with that as they more than fit the bill. As for the transcript of the call being only a partial, a "selectively edited memorandum" of the call :rolleyes: then I guess you had better look a bit closer at the whistleblower report :-\


That whistleblower report....allow me to put it to music....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCy4QdfjOvE


heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend



Firsthand accounts matter and I'm afraid Kirkland, that the over eager the over emotional Democrats have been tricked into this. This impeachment push, sure Trump gets people upset because they're programmed to hate him (when did that start by the way?), but there's going to come a time when the cards need to be laid on the table and truth and facts need to be presented and at that time you better hope that the Democrats have what they claim to have, I'm of the belief they don't have shit at all but the reason they're in the fullcourt press is because they hold a lot of guilt on their side which is provable I hate to tell you. Now you can call me names and be upset, but I'm just stating my opinion from information I've seen/heard/read.

This impeachment push is great for spotlight hogs like AOC (so she thinks) in safe districts, but the Democrat reps in red states face a troubling future with this and quite frankly there's 0 way the Senate votes 2/3rds to convict....it's almost like certain people (AOC) never took a civics class. And even if Trump was impeached AND convicted, then you have President Mike Pence...is that going to help ease the tensions? I doubt it. The timing of this, should it get to actual impeachment proceedings means Trump has basically stolen the thunder of the Democrat Primaries and that once again it's FREE PRESS for Trump and you saw how well that worked last time.


I don't want you to get upset with me because of my own personal views...but I'd keep the champagne on ice ;)

Let's say just for argument's sake....That Trump DID say "Hey Ukraine, a little help with this thing here please?"


We'd have to then consider this https://www.congress.gov/treaty-docu.../document-text which was signed into law under one William Jefferson Clinton.


And after THAT we could consider these things....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3Rut64GDgA
(Actually the LEAST of his troubles :-X )

Then there's the letter to Ukraine (threatening them) sent by Senators Menendez, Leahy, and Durbin
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFSTajxXoAInkPF.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFSTa95XkAACYk_.jpg



....and did you happen to catch in the 'transcript' the mention of the company name CROWDSTRIKE? They have several several ties to the Ukraine. I'm also betting the name Alexandra Chalupa will be bandied about as well before this is all over.


But hey what do I know :shrug03: I'm sure the Democrats know exactly what they're doing and have really thought this whole procedure through and hey they and the late night comedians are 100% sold on Trump being half a retard so there's 0, I repeat 0 way this backfires on them.

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https://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfo...tid=5011&stc=1

Tweet from Rep. Adam Schiff August 28th:
"Trump is withholding vital military aid to Ukraine, while his personal lawyer seeks help from the Ukraine government to investigate his political opponent.

It doesn’t take a stable genius to see the magnitude of this conflict.

Or how destructive it is to our national security."

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Top response is from....

Alexandra Chalupa (DNC operative and Ukranian-American who attempted to dig up dirt on Trump in 2016) and she says:
"I have a lot of information on this topic, Congressman. Well documented information that may be of use to your Committee, including coordination of the Trump administration and the Russian Federation to target American citizens and obstruct justice."


This tweet by Rep. Schiff is from 2 weeks BEFORE Congress was notified about the existence of such a complaint.


...but hey we'll see what happens.