Today in Trump

[Kirkland Laing]

Bolton apparently didn't want Trump throwing a dinner party for the taliban at Camp David on the anniversary of 9/11.

The whole thing is a hell of a story.

The US envoy negotiated a peace deal with the Taliban. Trump decided to jump in and take any credit for making a deal seeing as he's only managed to blow up existing deals since he took office, so he invited the Taliban to Camp David to have a sham negotiation and a signing ceremony but without telling almost every member of the national security team up to and including Bolton. The Taliban said nah, the deal signed first with the envoy they'd negotiated it with, visit later. No way for Trump to claim credit no he used the latest in an ongoing series of Taliban attacks to claim he wasn't now going to sign the deal he'd had nothing to do with, leaving Bolton and the rest to clean his shit up again.

Keeps flip flopping all over the place on every big foreign policy question. Wants to look like he's in charge and competent but has no idea what he's doing.

No Kirk they are saying it was the meeting with Iran while Iran is still pulling shit in the straight. Bolton has been pushed aside for a while. If it were up to him we would level Syria

The White House are saying that.

So u want Bolton back

No, I already explained. What part didn't you understand?

[El Kabong]

Anybody who isn't a conspiracy theorist Fox News viewer in their seventies running the country would be an improvement. Ideally somebody who isn't a proven racist fraudster serial bankrupt sex criminal would be an improvement as well but the crucial thing is not to be a fucking nut and in the Oval Office.

Far too early to think about presidential candidates yet, they're still trying to win a primary. Any eventual candidate will have a different platform from whatever they're currently saying to get the nomination. People will go up and down in the horse race. Pointless speculating about anything yet. The eventual election all depends on the economy over the next ten months anyway.

So 4 more years of wishing and hoping it is.

Ideally somebody who isn't a proven racist fraudster serial bankrupt sex criminal

Citation needed


Take you time on thinking of whoever you plan on supporting as they will finish well behind Trump. They could draft Oprah, they could get HRC back in the race, Biden won't cut it, Warren is the establishment's next choice, Bernie didn't get it in 2016 he won't get it now, Kamala Harris is finished, Booker never had a chance, Beto never had a chance, Mayor Pete is a nobody.


Prepare yourself for a very large defeat

[walrus]

Anybody who isn't a conspiracy theorist Fox News viewer in their seventies running the country would be an improvement. Ideally somebody who isn't a proven racist fraudster serial bankrupt sex criminal would be an improvement as well but the crucial thing is not to be a fucking nut and in the Oval Office.

Far too early to think about presidential candidates yet, they're still trying to win a primary. Any eventual candidate will have a different platform from whatever they're currently saying to get the nomination. People will go up and down in the horse race. Pointless speculating about anything yet. The eventual election all depends on the economy over the next ten months anyway.

So 4 more years of wishing and hoping it is.

Ideally somebody who isn't a proven racist fraudster serial bankrupt sex criminal

Citation needed


Take you time on thinking of whoever you plan on supporting as they will finish well behind Trump. They could draft Oprah, they could get HRC back in the race, Biden won't cut it, Warren is the establishment's next choice, Bernie didn't get it in 2016 he won't get it now, Kamala Harris is finished, Booker never had a chance, Beto never had a chance, Mayor Pete is a nobody.


Prepare yourself for a very large defeat

Notice how the racist shit is thrown in without a second thought. The media has made it like a Pavlov’s dog response

[El Kabong]

Anybody who isn't a conspiracy theorist Fox News viewer in their seventies running the country would be an improvement. Ideally somebody who isn't a proven racist fraudster serial bankrupt sex criminal would be an improvement as well but the crucial thing is not to be a fucking nut and in the Oval Office.

Far too early to think about presidential candidates yet, they're still trying to win a primary. Any eventual candidate will have a different platform from whatever they're currently saying to get the nomination. People will go up and down in the horse race. Pointless speculating about anything yet. The eventual election all depends on the economy over the next ten months anyway.

So 4 more years of wishing and hoping it is.

Ideally somebody who isn't a proven racist fraudster serial bankrupt sex criminal

Citation needed


Take you time on thinking of whoever you plan on supporting as they will finish well behind Trump. They could draft Oprah, they could get HRC back in the race, Biden won't cut it, Warren is the establishment's next choice, Bernie didn't get it in 2016 he won't get it now, Kamala Harris is finished, Booker never had a chance, Beto never had a chance, Mayor Pete is a nobody.


Prepare yourself for a very large defeat

Notice how the racist shit is thrown in without a second thought. The media has made it like a Pavlov’s dog response

Yup and it's a 100% guarantee he'd either link back to "Trump called Mexicans rapists and murderers" and/or "Trump said very fine people"


Just lazy minded bullshit disproven easily...but hey once the laser brains are locked in (especially someone like Kirkland who has never been wrong in his life) there's no dissuading them. They just eat up every lie the media feeds them.

[Spicoli]

Bolton apparently didn't want Trump throwing a dinner party for the taliban at Camp David on the anniversary of 9/11.

The whole thing is a hell of a story.

The US envoy negotiated a peace deal with the Taliban. Trump decided to jump in and take any credit for making a deal seeing as he's only managed to blow up existing deals since he took office, so he invited the Taliban to Camp David to have a sham negotiation and a signing ceremony but without telling almost every member of the national security team up to and including Bolton. The Taliban said nah, the deal signed first with the envoy they'd negotiated it with, visit later. No way for Trump to claim credit no he used the latest in an ongoing series of Taliban attacks to claim he wasn't now going to sign the deal he'd had nothing to do with, leaving Bolton and the rest to clean his shit up again.

Keeps flip flopping all over the place on every big foreign policy question. Wants to look like he's in charge and competent but has no idea what he's doing.

He's winging it. Very badly. Best I can tell the Taliban currently control more territory than at anytime since 2001, the Afghan Government were basically kept out of any negotiations to the point of never receiving a single draft and resented the U.S for legitimizing those feckers..who also refused a cease fire. An insurgent terrorist org setting demands in a land where the elected Afghan Government is locked out 'until later' so the U.S can largely withdraw. Even entertaining a meet at Camp David with 9-11 around the corner was truly incompetent.

[walrus]

Bolton apparently didn't want Trump throwing a dinner party for the taliban at Camp David on the anniversary of 9/11.

The whole thing is a hell of a story.

The US envoy negotiated a peace deal with the Taliban. Trump decided to jump in and take any credit for making a deal seeing as he's only managed to blow up existing deals since he took office, so he invited the Taliban to Camp David to have a sham negotiation and a signing ceremony but without telling almost every member of the national security team up to and including Bolton. The Taliban said nah, the deal signed first with the envoy they'd negotiated it with, visit later. No way for Trump to claim credit no he used the latest in an ongoing series of Taliban attacks to claim he wasn't now going to sign the deal he'd had nothing to do with, leaving Bolton and the rest to clean his shit up again.

Keeps flip flopping all over the place on every big foreign policy question. Wants to look like he's in charge and competent but has no idea what he's doing.

He's winging it. Very badly. Best I can tell the Taliban currently control more territory than at anytime since 2001, the Afghan Government were basically kept out of any negotiations to the point of never receiving a single draft and resented the U.S for legitimizing those feckers..who also refused a cease fire. An insurgent terrorist org setting demands in a land where the elected Afghan Government is locked out 'until later' so the U.S can largely withdraw. Even entertaining a meet at Camp David with 9-11 around the corner was truly incompetent.

Most wars end by negotiations. The only other uption is unconditional surrender. The only way to get the Taliban to unconditional surrender would be to restart full combat and carpet bombing. The majority of wars end at negotiations. I’m no fan of the Taliban but they are a reality. Why not at least talk to them. It’s not a new idea, Obama has been talking about it. The problem at the minute is the Taliban will talk to us but not the Afghan government. Not a good situation but trump didn’t start this war and it would be great to see it end. It’s not like the US hadn’t negotiated with some very shady characters in the past. I’m not saying it’s a great idea I’m saying let’s try something different

[walrus]

You guys saying how nasty talking to the tali are, spend a little time at war and then tell me how bad talks are

[El Kabong]

US attorney recommends proceeding with charges against McCabe, as DOJ rejects last-ditch appeal
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-...t-ditch-appeal

[Kirkland Laing]

Anybody who isn't a conspiracy theorist Fox News viewer in their seventies running the country would be an improvement. Ideally somebody who isn't a proven racist fraudster serial bankrupt sex criminal would be an improvement as well but the crucial thing is not to be a fucking nut and in the Oval Office.

Far too early to think about presidential candidates yet, they're still trying to win a primary. Any eventual candidate will have a different platform from whatever they're currently saying to get the nomination. People will go up and down in the horse race. Pointless speculating about anything yet. The eventual election all depends on the economy over the next ten months anyway.

So 4 more years of wishing and hoping it is.

Ideally somebody who isn't a proven racist fraudster serial bankrupt sex criminal

Citation needed


Take you time on thinking of whoever you plan on supporting as they will finish well behind Trump. They could draft Oprah, they could get HRC back in the race, Biden won't cut it, Warren is the establishment's next choice, Bernie didn't get it in 2016 he won't get it now, Kamala Harris is finished, Booker never had a chance, Beto never had a chance, Mayor Pete is a nobody.


Prepare yourself for a very large defeat

he first time Trump ever made the papers it was when he was being sued by the DOJ for racial discrimination. That's the Nixon administration DOJ. He eventually settled with them and agreed to stop being so racist but broke the agreement almost straight away and spent years in court fighting for the right to be racially discriminate. At one deposition he told the DOJ attoreys "you wouldn't want to live next to them either".

https://www.nytimes.com/times-inside...=tw-share&_r=0

Then there are the endless stories about racist behaviour over the years. One of dozens at random:

“When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor,” Brown said. “It was the eighties, I was a teenager, but I remember it: They put us all in the back.”hen there's the current day stuff. Here's the then most senior governmental member of his own party admitting he's a textbook racist back during the 2016 election campaign:


Ryan: Trump’s comments ‘textbook definition’ of racism

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/08/u...lo-curiel.html


Beyond that there's been such a blizzard of racist rhetoric from him you'd have to be a real racist piece of shit to even begin to claim he isn't a racist. Which of course you are. I've told you before Lyle, have the courage of your convictions and get ahead of the curve and come out of the closet because next year when the election campaign kicks off and Trump cranks up the racist rhetoric Trump supporters will be saying hell yeah I'm racist. It'll be a badge of honour for them.
Trump paid a $25 million settlement after he won the 2016 election to avoid being indicted for fraud over his Trump University scam, a crokked enterprise that deliberately targeted desperate gullible poor people.

Schnackenberg’s testimony was one of the documents unsealed by a judge in the class-action suit, which was brought in California by some of Trump University’s disgruntled former attendees.Schnackenberg, who worked in Trump’s office at 40 Wall Street, testified that “while Trump University claimed it wanted to help consumers make money in real estate, in fact Trump University was only interested in selling every person the most expensive seminars they possibly could.” The affidavit concludes, “Based upon my personal experience and employment, I believe that Trump University was a fraudulent scheme, and that it preyed upon the elderly and uneducated to separate them from their money.”

https://www.newyorker.com/news/john-...than-you-think




If a cash-strapped applicant said, “I don’t like using my credit cards and going into debt,” the playbook instructed recruiters to respond, “[D]o you like living paycheck to paycheck? … Do you enjoy seeing everyone else but yourself in their dream houses and driving their dreams cars with huge checking accounts? Those people saw an opportunity, and didn’t make excuses, like what you’re doing now.”
Most charmingly, the playbooks suggest recruiters exploit the desperation of a single parent with hungry children in order to convince said parent to take on massive credit-card debt.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/...ngry-kids.html


The multiple bankrupcies are a matter of public record. This is a guy who managed to go bust several times running casinos. And Trump is on tape admitting to routine sexual assault to a witness who confirms the conversation.

As far as any election goes it might as well be a decade from now. Anything could happen but almost certainly the state of the economy will decide who wins. Trump's best hope is that wages should start to really increase rapidly in such a tight labour market. He'll have had nothing to do with wage increases happening but he'll get the credit for it from voters. It must concern you that even with low unemployment, what passes for a strong economy these days and no major wars Trump is getting scalped by like four or five Democratic candidates in the polls. Even Fox News have him losing by double digits to Biden and a few others. In an actual election a couple of days ago in North Carolina the GOP scraped home by just over a point in a district that Trump won by ten points in 2016. That continues the historic points margin that the Democrats won the midterms by. If that kind of margin is replicated next year it'll be the biggest landslide defeat in history. And this is while voter perception of the economy is still good! It could get a lot worse. But hey, it might as well be a decade away. Let's wait six months before even hazarding a guess about the election.

[Kirkland Laing]

Bolton apparently didn't want Trump throwing a dinner party for the taliban at Camp David on the anniversary of 9/11.

The whole thing is a hell of a story.

The US envoy negotiated a peace deal with the Taliban. Trump decided to jump in and take any credit for making a deal seeing as he's only managed to blow up existing deals since he took office, so he invited the Taliban to Camp David to have a sham negotiation and a signing ceremony but without telling almost every member of the national security team up to and including Bolton. The Taliban said nah, the deal signed first with the envoy they'd negotiated it with, visit later. No way for Trump to claim credit no he used the latest in an ongoing series of Taliban attacks to claim he wasn't now going to sign the deal he'd had nothing to do with, leaving Bolton and the rest to clean his shit up again.

Keeps flip flopping all over the place on every big foreign policy question. Wants to look like he's in charge and competent but has no idea what he's doing.

He's winging it. Very badly. Best I can tell the Taliban currently control more territory than at anytime since 2001, the Afghan Government were basically kept out of any negotiations to the point of never receiving a single draft and resented the U.S for legitimizing those feckers..who also refused a cease fire. An insurgent terrorist org setting demands in a land where the elected Afghan Government is locked out 'until later' so the U.S can largely withdraw. Even entertaining a meet at Camp David with 9-11 around the corner was truly incompetent.

America is spending more every year to keep the Afghan government in power over less than half the country than total Afghan GDP. So clearly once they do pull out the whole thing collapses into chaos, civil war and epic bloodletting. No prez wants this on his or her CV. Trump wants any kind of "deal" drawn up before the election which he can then trumpet like he just negotiated the Peace of Westphalia. But he'll want the troops to remain indefinitely so the bloodletting bit doesn't get attached to him.

The whole thing is just a shitshow. It's like a Fox News viewer making foreign policy decisions based on what he hears the nutjobs on Fox news saying. Right now he's discussing lending Iran money to help their economy out as it's suffering due to the sanctions he imposed to get them back into compliance with the nuclear deal they were already complying with before he ripped it up. And he's so desperate for any kind of deal or victory that he may well just redo the Obama era deal with Iran and then go and Peace of Westphalia it with his voters knowing that they're all gullible morons and will believe anything he says.

[Kirkland Laing]

Oh and money laundering. In another example of rich guy justice Trump paid the biggest settlement ever to avoid going to jail for money laundering back when he was running casinos and was still solvent but his casinos were going down the tubes. So he started money laundering to keep afloat.

So racist fraudster serial bankrupt money laundering sex criminal. And this is the person some people believe is saving them from some deep state conspiracy. You world historic gullible fucking morons.

[El Kabong]

OK Kirkland, first article settled by consent decree meaning 0 guilt established....uh what's that again? How much guilt 0...0.....and again 0. Thank you for playing.

Paul Ryan a Never Trumper who suddenly resigned for some reason perhaps we'll find out in future. As for the remarks on Judge Curiel, let's take a look see at the judge in question...hmmmm.....Curiel is a member of the San Diego La Raza Lawyers Association, a nonprofit professional association of Latino lawyers that is affiliated with a statewide organization, the La Raza Lawyers of California. On his 2011 questionnaire, Curiel also noted that he was a "life-time member" of the Hispanic National Bar Association, and a member of the National Hispanic Prosecutors Association, as well as the Latino Judges Association....so it could be inferred that heritage and race are driving factors for the judge which is what Donald Trump said so how exactly is that criticism racist?


A Trump University? OK I'll counter....Laureate University

And the sob story of 'Trump University preyed on single mothers'....yeah that ain't exactly the case though is it? The sales tactic was "find out personal information you can use during closing time" ....so it was just hardselling skeptical people all of whom were adults and able to make their own decisions we assume.



So that's 0 for racism and a push on troublesome for profit universities. Great job

[Spicoli]

Bolton apparently didn't want Trump throwing a dinner party for the taliban at Camp David on the anniversary of 9/11.

The whole thing is a hell of a story.

The US envoy negotiated a peace deal with the Taliban. Trump decided to jump in and take any credit for making a deal seeing as he's only managed to blow up existing deals since he took office, so he invited the Taliban to Camp David to have a sham negotiation and a signing ceremony but without telling almost every member of the national security team up to and including Bolton. The Taliban said nah, the deal signed first with the envoy they'd negotiated it with, visit later. No way for Trump to claim credit no he used the latest in an ongoing series of Taliban attacks to claim he wasn't now going to sign the deal he'd had nothing to do with, leaving Bolton and the rest to clean his shit up again.

Keeps flip flopping all over the place on every big foreign policy question. Wants to look like he's in charge and competent but has no idea what he's doing.

He's winging it. Very badly. Best I can tell the Taliban currently control more territory than at anytime since 2001, the Afghan Government were basically kept out of any negotiations to the point of never receiving a single draft and resented the U.S for legitimizing those feckers..who also refused a cease fire. An insurgent terrorist org setting demands in a land where the elected Afghan Government is locked out 'until later' so the U.S can largely withdraw. Even entertaining a meet at Camp David with 9-11 around the corner was truly incompetent.

Most wars end by negotiations. The only other uption is unconditional surrender. The only way to get the Taliban to unconditional surrender would be to restart full combat and carpet bombing. The majority of wars end at negotiations. I’m no fan of the Taliban but they are a reality. Why not at least talk to them. It’s not a new idea, Obama has been talking about it. The problem at the minute is the Taliban will talk to us but not the Afghan government. Not a good situation but trump didn’t start this war and it would be great to see it end. It’s not like the US hadn’t negotiated with some very shady characters in the past. I’m not saying it’s a great idea I’m saying let’s try something different

Hey Marine, nothing but respect and I'm no proponent of endless wars. But sometimes they are negotiated so haphazardly that we end up doing them all over again and sending the next generation. We've seen that movie more than once. But Taliban on U.S soil was a non starter and this is about Trump blind siding ongoing efforts and his foreign policy via random tweet thus far has proven nothing but self promotion and costly to future efforts and our cred. Again embracing bad operators and letting allies be locked out is a recipe for disaster.

[El Kabong]

this is about Trump blind siding ongoing efforts and his foreign policy via random tweet thus far has proven nothing but self promotion and costly to future efforts and our cred. Again embracing bad operators and letting allies be locked out is a recipe for disaster.

It's like you know who Donald Trump is, but have never learned the moves he does. I get it, because the media treats him that way all the time. Look, the guy wrote 'The Art of the Deal' understand that and you understand his way of doing business (now political business).

He's made wild demands in some cases and allowed the other side to haggle him down but he still gets what he wants. Everyone was nervous about him meeting with Kim Jong Un and in meeting with Lil Kim he wound up ending the Korean War which I was told by the media and various Democrat leaders that he'd only start a war. Likewise there was a lot of pearl clutching about Syria and him taking us to war vs Russia (which how he was to do that AND also collude with Russia is a bit of a headscratcher) and he has been very measured in his dealings with the entire Middle East other than who we're already at full war with and he's done his best to end those as well. ISIS was doing quite well under Obama and Trump let loose on them and where are they now? Not doing so hot.

I don't believe that Trump goes searching for the quick fix, I think he looks to play the long game, like China and the trade war, it might get uncomfortable for the United States, but not as uncomfortable as it will get for China and in the end the United States will get a better deal.


We'll see what happens with the Taliban and Afghan government. They aren't the most stable groups and it isn't the most stable region. We'll see what happens.




Oh and for Syria....https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-...ys-in-advance/

But yeah "Benghazi happened because of a YouTube video"....fucking ridiculous how easily people bought/buy Obama's lies. When people will finally wake up and see him for who he truly is I don't know.

[walrus]

Bolton apparently didn't want Trump throwing a dinner party for the taliban at Camp David on the anniversary of 9/11.

The whole thing is a hell of a story.

The US envoy negotiated a peace deal with the Taliban. Trump decided to jump in and take any credit for making a deal seeing as he's only managed to blow up existing deals since he took office, so he invited the Taliban to Camp David to have a sham negotiation and a signing ceremony but without telling almost every member of the national security team up to and including Bolton. The Taliban said nah, the deal signed first with the envoy they'd negotiated it with, visit later. No way for Trump to claim credit no he used the latest in an ongoing series of Taliban attacks to claim he wasn't now going to sign the deal he'd had nothing to do with, leaving Bolton and the rest to clean his shit up again.

Keeps flip flopping all over the place on every big foreign policy question. Wants to look like he's in charge and competent but has no idea what he's doing.

He's winging it. Very badly. Best I can tell the Taliban currently control more territory than at anytime since 2001, the Afghan Government were basically kept out of any negotiations to the point of never receiving a single draft and resented the U.S for legitimizing those feckers..who also refused a cease fire. An insurgent terrorist org setting demands in a land where the elected Afghan Government is locked out 'until later' so the U.S can largely withdraw. Even entertaining a meet at Camp David with 9-11 around the corner was truly incompetent.

Most wars end by negotiations. The only other uption is unconditional surrender. The only way to get the Taliban to unconditional surrender would be to restart full combat and carpet bombing. The majority of wars end at negotiations. I’m no fan of the Taliban but they are a reality. Why not at least talk to them. It’s not a new idea, Obama has been talking about it. The problem at the minute is the Taliban will talk to us but not the Afghan government. Not a good situation but trump didn’t start this war and it would be great to see it end. It’s not like the US hadn’t negotiated with some very shady characters in the past. I’m not saying it’s a great idea I’m saying let’s try something different

Hey Marine, nothing but respect and I'm no proponent of endless wars. But sometimes they are negotiated so haphazardly that we end up doing them all over again and sending the next generation. We've seen that movie more than once. But Taliban on U.S soil was a non starter and this is about Trump blind siding ongoing efforts and his foreign policy via random tweet thus far has proven nothing but self promotion and costly to future efforts and our cred. Again embracing bad operators and letting allies be locked out is a recipe for disaster.

I really don’t care where the meeting took place. Don’t really care about the date either. If it’s here in September or Switzerland in April I don’t care. I didn’t like the deal Obama made with Iran but I thought it was good he talked with them. We have every nut in the world come to the UN anyway. Shit if China weren’t such an economic power everyone would be saying why is anyone talking to that evil country. I’d prefer to see the Taliban gone. Who knows how trustworthy they could be, probably not very, but I’m all for talking and for all I care they can all meet at my place