Battle of the Middle/Super middleweights

WHO WINS - Both Fighters in their prime

1st Round

Kelly Pavik v Thomas Hearns - My Vote - Pavlik late round stoppage

Gerald McClellan v RJJ - RJJ Points

Marvin Hagler v Bernard Hopkins - Hagler Points

Joe Calzaghe v James Toney - Calzaghe Points

Mikkel Kessler v Nigel Benn - Kessler Points

Sugar Ray Leonard v Winky Wright - Leonard Points

Steve Collins v Carl Froch - Collins Points

Chris Eubank v Mike McCallum - Eubank Points

Quarter Final

Kelly Pavlik v RJJ - RJJ Points

Marvin Hagler v Joe Calzaghe - Hagler Points

Mikkel Kessler v Sugar Ray Leonard - SRL Points

Steve Collins v Chris Eubank - Collins Points

Semi Final

RJJ v Marvin Hagler - Hagler Points

SRL v Steve Collins - SRL Points

FINAL

The old battle between SRL and Marvin Hagler

For Me SRL did enough to win the original fight, Hagler gave away too many rounds, would be close next time around but SRL may just snatch it again on points.

IS SUGAR RAY LEONARD THE GREATEST?

I though you were breaking divisions down individually not mixing them up..

Benn beats Kessler

Pavlik and Hearns is a toss up because of Tommy's chin ONLY

RJJ beats Hagler and could possibly run the table, I give him more of a chance than anyone to do it


Leonard was great but thats a pretty tough gauntlet to put anybody through... I can guarantee you this, if all those guys fought in the same era, there be no undefeated fighter amoungst them

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

I though you were breaking divisions down individually not mixing them up..

Benn beats Kessler

Pavlik and Hearns is a toss up because of Tommy's chin ONLY


Leonard was great but thats a pretty tough gauntlet to put anybody through... I can guarantee you this, if all those guys fought in the same era, there be no undefeated fighter amoungst them

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yeah agree totally, few of the guys have fought at diffent weights but most are known for what they did in middle/super middle divisions, think on the day anyone could probably beat anyone, but is just a bit of fun, think most will have different opinions. RJJ, Calzaghe, Hagler all could have been worthy winners

NO way Hearns loses to Pavlik. You would see a one sided-exposure that is rarely witnessed in professional sports.

Leonard or Roy Jones Jnr wins that. Probably Jones cuz he is bigger .

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Originally Posted by boozeboxer

NO way Hearns loses to Pavlik. You would see a one sided-exposure that is rarely witnessed in professional sports.

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Hearns is such an enigma. I could imagine him going in there and starching out Pavlik within two rounds. On the other side of the coin, I can picture him getting overzealous, exposing his chin and getting caught and KTFO while attempting to take Pavlik out.

Hearns would have won so many of the fights he lost by controlling himself better in the ring. I am glad he fought like he did though because he was one of the most exciting fighters to ever lace on the gloves.

Well I think you have a very valid point cat-newpaper-man. I just think that Pavlik is really over-rated right now and that Hearns was a Great.

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

I though you were breaking divisions down individually not mixing them up..

Benn beats Kessler

Pavlik and Hearns is a toss up because of Tommy's chin ONLY

RJJ beats Hagler and could possibly run the table, I give him more of a chance than anyone to do it

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I think Kessler beats Benn. Benn always struggled with technical guys and Kessler has power to boot which Benn's chin didn't like. Benn was too aggressive for his own good sometimes.

Completely agree with Pavlik Hearns. I fancy Hearns strongly in that fight if he doesn't get tagged by a Pavlik bomb. In fact there is no way that fight doesn't end in a K.O.

RJJ and Hagler, that would be a good fight! I'd pick RJJ in his prime though by a small margin. I imagine lots of movement and lots of pot shots.

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Originally Posted by boozeboxer

Well I think you have a very valid point cat-newpaper-man. I just think that Pavlik is really over-rated right now and that Hearns was a Great.

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Hearns was a great. Pavlik is just a solid tough Middleweight. Only thing with Hearns is the tough guys like Barkley he fought. He could have beaten Barkley easily by doing it right, but you know Hearns, he was never one for Patience!hehe

When that draw came out of the hat, Steve Collins must have been jumping with joy :)

I actually think a prime Roy Jones would take this. Especially if these fights were at 168 (or the favorite catchweight of late 166).

This is what really would happen at catch weight :-

1st Round

Kelly Pavik v Thomas Hearns - Hearns stoppage

Gerald McClellan v RJJ - RJJ late stoppage

Marvin Hagler v Bernard Hopkins - Hagler Points

Joe Calzaghe v James Toney - Calzaghe Points

Mikkel Kessler v Nigel Benn - Benn Points

Sugar Ray Leonard v Winky Wright - Winky Points (Leonard never was a great middleweight)

Steve Collins v Carl Froch - Collins Points

Chris Eubank v Mike McCallum - McCallum Points

Quarter Final

Hearns v RJJ - Jones KO early

Marvin Hagler v Joe Calzaghe - Hagler Points

Benn v Winky - Winky Points

Collins v McCallum - McCallum points


Semi Final

RJJ v Marvin Hagler - Hagler Points

Winky v McCallum - McCallum Points

FINAL

McCallum and Marvin Hagler

Hagler points the greatest !

I like how far you have Winky going in your tournament, Master. He would def. be around there because in his prime he threw crazy amount of punches, the greatest defense of all time, had good footwork, and could actually back up and throw.
The Winky now, while still outpointing Taylor and Hopkins, is less mobile, less active, but still a force. He is pretty much come forward all the time now.

It all depends on the luck of the draw. The hardest one to choose was Hearns v Jones Jnr, it could have gone anyway and Hearns could have done a Tarver on him!

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

I though you were breaking divisions down individually not mixing them up..

Benn beats Kessler

Pavlik and Hearns is a toss up because of Tommy's chin ONLY

RJJ beats Hagler and could possibly run the table, I give him more of a chance than anyone to do it


Leonard was great but thats a pretty tough gauntlet to put anybody through... I can guarantee you this, if all those guys fought in the same era, there be no undefeated fighter amoungst them

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Agreed....on Pavlik/Hearns...Only like you stated ...because of Tommy's chin....Hearns was a better boxer then Kelly hands down...and if Taylor dropped Pavlik...a straight ringt on the button from Hearns would starch him

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Originally Posted by Master

This is what really would happen at catch weight :-

1st Round

Kelly Pavik v Thomas Hearns - Hearns stoppage

Gerald McClellan v RJJ - RJJ late stoppage

Marvin Hagler v Bernard Hopkins - Hagler Points

Joe Calzaghe v James Toney - Calzaghe Points

Mikkel Kessler v Nigel Benn - Benn Points

Sugar Ray Leonard v Winky Wright - Winky Points (Leonard never was a great middleweight)

Steve Collins v Carl Froch - Collins Points

Chris Eubank v Mike McCallum - McCallum Points

Quarter Final

Hearns v RJJ - Jones KO early

Marvin Hagler v Joe Calzaghe - Hagler Points

Benn v Winky - Winky Points

Collins v McCallum - McCallum points


Semi Final

RJJ v Marvin Hagler - Hagler Points

Winky v McCallum - McCallum Points

FINAL

McCallum and Marvin Hagler

Hagler points the greatest !

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I can agree with that