P4P bias towards American based fighters?
Can someone tell me how many non-American based fighters have made The Ring P4P top 10 since 2000?
What has stopped current champions like Chris John, Hozumi Hasegawa and Kessler from entry?
Chris John has a win over current P4P no.2 Marquez. Now whether or not you think Marquez was "robbed," he officially LOST to John. MANY believe Hopkins was robbed against Taylor, this didn't stop Taylor from entering P4P. MANY believe Marquez beat Pacman twice.. this hasn't affected Pac's P4P standing. The OFFICIAL result is accepted.
John also has a win over Jose Rojas, a man that KO'd current P4P 10 ranked Celestino Caballero.
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Fenster
Can someone tell me how many non-American based fighters have made The Ring P4P top 10 since 2000?
What has stopped current champions like Chris John, Hozumi Hasegawa and Kessler from entry?
Chris John has a win over current P4P no.2 Marquez. Now whether or not you think Marquez was "robbed," he officially LOST to John. MANY believe Hopkins was robbed against Taylor, this didn't stop Taylor from entering P4P. MANY believe Marquez beat Pacman twice.. this hasn't affected Pac's P4P standing. The OFFICIAL result is accepted.
John also has a win over Jose Rojas, a man that KO'd current P4P 10 ranked Celestino Caballero.
Help?
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Less then half of the list is everyone but Americans....
Pacquiao, Hatton, Vazquez, Munoz, Darchinyan, Doniare, etc are not American and they are all mainstays...Hell the liost changes every month...
Not too long ago the only Americans were Hopkins and Pavlik,
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Less then half of the list is everyone but Americans....
Pacquiao, Hatton, Vazquez, Munoz, Darchinyan, Doniare, etc are not American and they are all mainstays...Hell the liost changes every month...
Not too long ago the only Americans were Hopkins and Pavlik,
No i said American based not specifically Americans.
Pac, Hatton, Vazquez etc.. have all fought in or beaten American based fighters.
I can't find a non-American based fighter in The Ring's top ten. This is understandable considering it is an American publication but still....
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Fenster
Can someone tell me how many non-American based fighters have made The Ring P4P top 10 since 2000?
What has stopped current champions like Chris John, Hozumi Hasegawa and Kessler from entry?
Chris John has a win over current P4P no.2 Marquez. Now whether or not you think Marquez was "robbed," he officially LOST to John. MANY believe Hopkins was robbed against Taylor, this didn't stop Taylor from entering P4P. MANY believe Marquez beat Pacman twice.. this hasn't affected Pac's P4P standing. The OFFICIAL result is accepted.
John also has a win over Jose Rojas, a man that KO'd current P4P 10 ranked Celestino Caballero.
Help?
The Ring Magazine's Annual Ratings - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia
Can you find a non-American based fighter from that?
For example.. Hatton beat Tsyzu in England but Tsyzu was an American based fighter and P4P no.3
I'm trying to find any non-American based fighter.
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Fenster
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DaxxKahn
Less then half of the list is everyone but Americans....
Pacquiao, Hatton, Vazquez, Munoz, Darchinyan, Doniare, etc are not American and they are all mainstays...Hell the liost changes every month...
Not too long ago the only Americans were Hopkins and Pavlik,
No i said American based not specifically Americans.
Pac, Hatton, Vazquez etc.. have all fought in or beaten American based fighters.
I can't find a non-American based fighter in The Ring's top ten. This is understandable considering it is an American publication but still....
Most fights happen in America at the higher levels,how could it be any other way
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Trainer Monkey
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Fenster
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DaxxKahn
Less then half of the list is everyone but Americans....
Pacquiao, Hatton, Vazquez, Munoz, Darchinyan, Doniare, etc are not American and they are all mainstays...Hell the liost changes every month...
Not too long ago the only Americans were Hopkins and Pavlik,
No i said American based not specifically Americans.
Pac, Hatton, Vazquez etc.. have all fought in or beaten American based fighters.
I can't find a non-American based fighter in The Ring's top ten. This is understandable considering it is an American publication but still....
Most fights happen in America at the higher levels,how could it be any other way
Yes.. the majority of BIG fights happen in America where the glamour divisions are concerned.. but this shouldn't have such an over strong bias towards P4P rankings.
Glen Johnson entered the top ten after beating Roy Jones. Roy is undoubtedly a great fighter but was coming off a loss in under 6 minutes. Johnson had 9-10 losses on his record.
Pavlik entered the top 10 after beating Taylor. But Taylor had been DROPPED from the top 10 for poor performances. Pavlik has no better record than Abraham.
There's an inconsistency here, no?
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Fenster
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ICB
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
Can someone tell me how many non-American based fighters have made The Ring P4P top 10 since 2000?
What has stopped current champions like Chris John, Hozumi Hasegawa and Kessler from entry?
Chris John has a win over current P4P no.2 Marquez. Now whether or not you think Marquez was "robbed," he officially LOST to John. MANY believe Hopkins was robbed against Taylor, this didn't stop Taylor from entering P4P. MANY believe Marquez beat Pacman twice.. this hasn't affected Pac's P4P standing. The OFFICIAL result is accepted.
John also has a win over Jose Rojas, a man that KO'd current P4P 10 ranked Celestino Caballero.
Help?
The Ring Magazine's Annual Ratings - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia
Can you find a non-American based fighter from that?
For example.. Hatton beat Tsyzu in England but Tsyzu was an American based fighter and P4P no.3
I'm trying to find any non-American based fighter.
I gave you the link mate you search yourself im too lazy at the moment :)
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Fenster
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Trainer Monkey
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Fenster
No i said American based not specifically Americans.
Pac, Hatton, Vazquez etc.. have all fought in or beaten American based fighters.
I can't find a non-American based fighter in The Ring's top ten. This is understandable considering it is an American publication but still....
Most fights happen in America at the higher levels,how could it be any other way
Yes.. the majority of BIG fights happen in America where the glamour divisions are concerned.. but this shouldn't have such an over strong bias towards P4P rankings.
Glen Johnson entered the top ten after beating Roy Jones. Roy is undoubtedly a great fighter but was coming off a loss in under 6 minutes. Johnson had 9-10 losses on his record.
Pavlik entered the top 10 after beating Taylor. But Taylor had ben DROPPED from the top 10 for poor performances. Pavlik has no better record than Abraham.
There's an inconsistency here, no?
Pavlik also beat top rated at the time..Edison Miranda....
Taylor had 2 shitty performences against Junior Middleweights...Small ones at that
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Fenster
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Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
No i said American based not specifically Americans.
Pac, Hatton, Vazquez etc.. have all fought in or beaten American based fighters.
I can't find a non-American based fighter in The Ring's top ten. This is understandable considering it is an American publication but still....
Most fights happen in America at the higher levels,how could it be any other way
Yes.. the majority of BIG fights happen in America where the glamour divisions are concerned.. but this shouldn't have such an over strong bias towards P4P rankings.
Glen Johnson entered the top ten after beating Roy Jones. Roy is undoubtedly a great fighter but was coming off a loss in under 6 minutes. Johnson had 9-10 losses on his record.
Pavlik entered the top 10 after beating Taylor. But Taylor had ben DROPPED from the top 10 for poor performances. Pavlik has no better record than Abraham.
There's an inconsistency here, no?
Im pretty sure Jermain Taylor was still in the top 10 P4P.
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DaxxKahn
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
Trainer Monkey
Most fights happen in America at the higher levels,how could it be any other way
Yes.. the majority of BIG fights happen in America where the glamour divisions are concerned.. but this shouldn't have such an over strong bias towards P4P rankings.
Glen Johnson entered the top ten after beating Roy Jones. Roy is undoubtedly a great fighter but was coming off a loss in under 6 minutes. Johnson had 9-10 losses on his record.
Pavlik entered the top 10 after beating Taylor. But Taylor had ben DROPPED from the top 10 for poor performances. Pavlik has no better record than Abraham.
There's an inconsistency here, no?
Pavlik also beat top rated at the time..Edison Miranda....
Taylor had 2 shitty performences against Junior Middleweights...Small ones at that
That's the point, Daxx
Abraham had already beat Miranda.
Re: P4P bias towards American based fighters?
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Originally Posted by
ICB
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
Trainer Monkey
Most fights happen in America at the higher levels,how could it be any other way
Yes.. the majority of BIG fights happen in America where the glamour divisions are concerned.. but this shouldn't have such an over strong bias towards P4P rankings.
Glen Johnson entered the top ten after beating Roy Jones. Roy is undoubtedly a great fighter but was coming off a loss in under 6 minutes. Johnson had 9-10 losses on his record.
Pavlik entered the top 10 after beating Taylor. But Taylor had ben DROPPED from the top 10 for poor performances. Pavlik has no better record than Abraham.
There's an inconsistency here, no?
Im pretty sure Jermain Taylor was still in the top 10 P4P.
He wasn't.
When you get the time look it up ;)
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For the record I thought Hopkins beat Taylor twice, & that Marquez won the 2nd fight & could easily have given him the first.
However, the fact is those were fights that could have gone the other way, whilst IMO the John-Marquez decision was just an outright hometown decision & I think this is why it has not helped John the same way.
I think the Ring P4P ratings are pretty good, yes sometimes they may bump a fighter too high on the basis of hype (Taylor, Pavlik), but I feel that overall they are pretty fair. Of the 3 fighters with a claim to P4P#1 since PBF retired (Pac,JMM,JC) only Pacquiao is actually based in the US for training & I think of last week's top 10, at most half are based in the US. The fact is the US is where the big money fights are so that's where they will fight out of. In addition, IMO you will generally get more competitive fights over there, as over here in Europe, there is a tendency for fighters to take it easy a bit in terms of their opposition sometimes.
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In the minority here,but I think p4p ranking are mostly subjective and a bit useless,I cant stand them.They often dispay the "out of sight,out of mind" mentality that many lower weight class fighters suffer from.Simply because we (American based media ?) have not seen a fighter on a regular basis,should that exclude them from consideration?P4P can be a popularity/familiarity contest.Chris john is making his stateside big show splash with Rocky "tons o' chances" Juarez next fight.A big win will put him in the conversation.
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JazMerkin
For the record I thought Hopkins beat Taylor twice, & that Marquez won the 2nd fight & could easily have given him the first.
However, the fact is those were fights that could have gone the other way, whilst IMO the John-Marquez decision was just an outright hometown decision & I think this is why it has not helped John the same way.
I think the Ring P4P ratings are pretty good, yes sometimes they may bump a fighter too high on the basis of hype (Taylor, Pavlik), but I feel that overall they are pretty fair. Of the 3 fighters with a claim to P4P#1 since PBF retired (Pac,JMM,JC) only Pacquiao is actually based in the US for training & I think of last week's top 10, at most half are based in the US. The fact is the US is where the big money fights are so that's where they will fight out of. In addition, IMO you will generally get more competitive fights over there, as over here in Europe, there is a tendency for fighters to take it easy a bit in terms of their opposition sometimes.
I agree.. the Ring ratings pretty much mirror the fans view.
The current top 10 have all fought in "world" title fights in America. The non-American based fighters fight there.
Fighters taking it "easy" in other countries? Don't know about that, have you got examples?
