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Paul Williams would make this thing EXTREMELY interesting...
but how boring would a Williams v Dirrell fight be? Williams' reach would impede Dirrell's ability to run, so he would have to hug and hold EVEN more...
But Williams destroying Froch, and just being matched with Kessler and Abraham would be worth a damn PPV.
Allan Green officially is the first alternate. Adding Williams would definately throw a wrench in the gears though and make things interesting. Williams/Dirrell would be 10 times better than Dirrell/Froch, Williams won't stand there and wait for Dirrell to do what he wants him to do he will keep swinging until the bell rings clinching or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by hfahrenheit
Yeah, I knew about Green, just didn't want to accept it. Winky, Williams, and Bute are all better options.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepAllan Green officially is the first alternate. Adding Williams would definately throw a wrench in the gears though and make things interesting. Williams/Dirrell would be 10 times better than Dirrell/Froch, Williams won't stand there and wait for Dirrell to do what he wants him to do he will keep swinging until the bell rings clinching or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by hfahrenheit
I think whomever it is should still have to win a fight to get in before. Not really fair that Green should get a "bye" to the 2nd round. Williams is unproven at 168.
I'd like to see the winner of Bute-Andrade 2 get into the tourney myself. Guarantee us a true Supermiddle World Champion.
Bika I think would be the most interesting.
Calzaghe said Bika hit him harder than anyone else could.
He will come to fight and has a decent chin.
Bute and Andrade are already fighting each other but after that?
This tournament leaves them out in the cold really as these boys will already be tied up, if it stays as it should be.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. He seems to have the frame for it, but that's really getting thrown into the fire at 10lbs heavier than he's ever fought. Plus his big advantage in height and reach would be greatly diminished against these guys that are naturally bigger than the lower weight class fighters he's been in with. Not saying he wouldn't persevere, just like you said, he should really be more of a known quantity at that weight, before being thrown into a tourney like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdonaher1
Ever since Green had his intestinal problems and lost to Miranda, I haven't been so enamored with him. Seems like all he does is look at his shoes. Really weird. I think he getting better about that, but still...
That's why I like Williams at this weight--he has a better chance of being forced to box. Williams' boxing skills, not ability to use his height and reach to his advantage, would be put on display. I'm not saying Williams is a bum, I'm just saying he gets by without boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myk_MykYeah, I was thinking the same thing. He seems to have the frame for it, but that's really getting thrown into the fire at 10lbs heavier than he's ever fought. Plus his big advantage in height and reach would be greatly diminished against these guys that are naturally bigger than the lower weight class fighters he's been in with. Not saying he wouldn't persevere, just like you said, he should really be more of a known quantity at that weight, before being thrown into a tourney like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdonaher1
Ever since Green had his intestinal problems and lost to Miranda, I haven't been so enamored with him. Seems like all he does is look at his shoes. Really weird. I think he getting better about that, but still...
His addition would make this thing ultra competitive.
I would have zero problem with Bika. But add Bute, and the winner is a unified, undisputed champion; add Williams or Winky, and your American audience just got a lot larger.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Bute should be the first choice.
then Williams, then Winky.
Based on the Kessler v Andrade fight, I don't think Andrade has any place in the tournament.
I agree...cause otherwise the points thing will be skewed.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdonaher1
To be fair though, Andrade has improved quite a bit since the first fight. I still think Kessler would handle him, but if he beats Bute, then he deserves to be in there.Quote:
Originally Posted by hfahrenheitI would have zero problem with Bika. But add Bute, and the winner is a unified, undisputed champion; add Williams or Winky, and your American audience just got a lot larger.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Bute should be the first choice.
then Williams, then Winky.
Based on the Kessler v Andrade fight, I don't think Andrade has any place in the tournament.
In that case, I would just think less of Bute, and then would insist Andrade be put in the tournament just so he could be quickly relieved of the belt.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinTo be fair though, Andrade has improved quite a bit since the first fight. I still think Kessler would handle him, but if he beats Bute, then he deserves to be in there.Quote:
Originally Posted by hfahrenheitI would have zero problem with Bika. But add Bute, and the winner is a unified, undisputed champion; add Williams or Winky, and your American audience just got a lot larger.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Bute should be the first choice.
then Williams, then Winky.
Based on the Kessler v Andrade fight, I don't think Andrade has any place in the tournament.
Andrade, i think, lacks the ability to change--he certainly didn't look any different against Bute. The only persons I would want to see him fight would be AA and Froch, just because somebody would get knocked out. Everybody else would just do some variation of what Kessler did.
Have you seen Andrade's chin? Kessler put everything he had on to it & didn't make a dent. I can't see anybody KOing Andrade, I think he could beat anyone in the tournament apart from Kessler & Abraham, not that he necessarily would. He has gradually improved as well, he boxed very well in his last fight against Tsypko.Quote:
Originally Posted by hfahrenheitIn that case, I would just think less of Bute, and then would insist Andrade be put in the tournament just so he could be quickly relieved of the belt.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinTo be fair though, Andrade has improved quite a bit since the first fight. I still think Kessler would handle him, but if he beats Bute, then he deserves to be in there.Quote:
Originally Posted by hfahrenheit
Andrade, i think, lacks the ability to change--he certainly didn't look any different against Bute. The only persons I would want to see him fight would be AA and Froch, just because somebody would get knocked out. Everybody else would just do some variation of what Kessler did.
I just don't think Winky is big or powerful enough for this bunch.Quote:
Originally Posted by hfahrenheitI would have zero problem with Bika. But add Bute, and the winner is a unified, undisputed champion; add Williams or Winky, and your American audience just got a lot larger.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Bute should be the first choice.
then Williams, then Winky.
Based on the Kessler v Andrade fight, I don't think Andrade has any place in the tournament.
I'm in favor of the Miranda-Green boxoff. IMO, Miranda would beat Green a second time even if Green brought 100% of his colon into the ring.
At some point his chin is going to crumble and he is going to get stopped. It'll happen in much the same way it happened to Margarito and the way it is going to happen to Froch. He takes way too many clean shots and one day his chin will give way.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinHave you seen Andrade's chin? Kessler put everything he had on to it & didn't make a dent. I can't see anybody KOing Andrade, I think he could beat anyone in the tournament apart from Kessler & Abraham, not that he necessarily would. He has gradually improved as well, he boxed very well in his last fight against Tsypko.Quote:
Originally Posted by hfahrenheitIn that case, I would just think less of Bute, and then would insist Andrade be put in the tournament just so he could be quickly relieved of the belt.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Andrade, i think, lacks the ability to change--he certainly didn't look any different against Bute. The only persons I would want to see him fight would be AA and Froch, just because somebody would get knocked out. Everybody else would just do some variation of what Kessler did.
As for the tournament, he'd probably beat Dirrell and I'd give him a good chance of beating Froch (what a bloodbath that would be). Abraham would be another interesting one, Andrade could probably take that as well. He'd murder Taylor.