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The Ring magazine has Manny, Floyd, and Shane ranked 1,2, and 3 respectively and the number 2 and 3 will be fighting each other in May. Does the winner become the new p4p number 1 and Manny gets pushed to number 2?
Yes, p4p is subjective just like all rankings, but in my eyes the winner of this upcoming fight should be p4p #1.
You could make a good case for it, but I would leave Manny at #1
Floyd does.
Depends how dominating the win is i believe. If Floyd edges past Mosley then maybe not but if he wins in a lopsided fashion 'd say he'd have to be number 1.
I guess it depends on if you feel the winner's recent victories and the way in which they accomplished them are more impressive than Pacquiao's victories over Hatton, Cotto, and Clottey.
If Mosley wins I might be inclined to place him at #1 (not that it would matter for long since he and Pacquiao would soon meet to decide who was best), but if Pacquiao convincingly beats Clottey I would have a hard time placing Mayweather ahead of him.
Good call, I forgot to factor in how dominating the performance should be. If the winner of the Floyd-Mosley fight just wins by a close decision than Manny stays, but if it's a dominating performance he should be #1 imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle
I think that if Mosley wins a close but clear decision over Floyd he deserves some consideration for the #1 P4P spot. It's very debatable though.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogGood call, I forgot to factor in how dominating the performance should be. If the winner of the Floyd-Mosley fight just wins by a close decision than Manny stays, but if it's a dominating performance he should be #1 imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle
So if Floyd dominates Shane he doesnt deserve to be P4P #1?Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHI think that if Mosley wins a close but clear decision over Floyd he deserves some consideration for the #1 P4P spot. It's very debatable though.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogGood call, I forgot to factor in how dominating the performance should be. If the winner of the Floyd-Mosley fight just wins by a close decision than Manny stays, but if it's a dominating performance he should be #1 imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle
No, I don't think he does. I would argue that Pacquiao's last three victories (Hatton, Cotto, Clottey [assuming he beats Clottey without controversy]) are more impressive than Marquez (the blown-up version Mayweather fought) and Mosley. Pacquiao dominated Hatton and Cotto and if he does the same to Clottey I don't think there is anyway I could argue that Mayweather deserves to be above him on a P4P list. That being said, I do think Mayweather is a better fighter, but his recent resume is lacking.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleSo if Floyd dominates Shane he doesnt deserve to be P4P #1?Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHI think that if Mosley wins a close but clear decision over Floyd he deserves some consideration for the #1 P4P spot. It's very debatable though.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
I tcan see how you would think that Pac was still more deserving than PBF, but im not sure how u can then say Shane would be more deserving than Pac. I mean here is a man who went 12 hard rounds with Mayorga 2 fights ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHNo, I don't think he does. I would argue that Pacquiao's last three victories (Hatton, Cotto, Clottey [assuming he beats Clottey without controversy]) are more impressive than Marquez (the blown-up version Mayweather fought) and Mosley. Pacquiao dominated Hatton and Cotto and if he does the same to Clottey I don't think there is anyway I could argue that Mayweather deserves to be above him on a P4P list. That being said, I do think Mayweather is a better fighter, but his recent resume is lacking.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleSo if Floyd dominates Shane he doesnt deserve to be P4P #1?Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
I base my argument for Mosley to be P4P #1 on his dominating upset victory over Margarito and his hypothetical upset win over Mayweather (which would be exponentially bigger than the Margarito victory, obviously). Mayweather is a better fighter than anyone Pacquiao has ever faced and a victory over him, by however slim a margin, combined with the Margarito knock out would edge wins over Hatton, Cotto, and Clottey IMO. If Mosley wins, which he won't, it would all be moot as he would certainly face Pacquiao in his next fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleI tcan see how you would think that Pac was still more deserving than PBF, but im not sure how u can then say Shane would be more deserving than Pac. I mean here is a man who went 12 hard rounds with Mayorga 2 fights ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHNo, I don't think he does. I would argue that Pacquiao's last three victories (Hatton, Cotto, Clottey [assuming he beats Clottey without controversy]) are more impressive than Marquez (the blown-up version Mayweather fought) and Mosley. Pacquiao dominated Hatton and Cotto and if he does the same to Clottey I don't think there is anyway I could argue that Mayweather deserves to be above him on a P4P list. That being said, I do think Mayweather is a better fighter, but his recent resume is lacking.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle
Are not P4P ranking is based on the hypothetical, the best fighter disregarding weight class? That would mean comparing Ring generalship, Boxing skill; offensive and defensive, style match, strength to an extent, endurance level, chin and effect aggression. The more fights a boxer has the more the hypothetical match-ups can be compared.
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Originally Posted by fan johnny
Yes, quality of opposition is definitely a factor, but it is only 1 factor.
Considering that they plugged Mayweather in at the #2 spot for beating JMM, I think they'd put him at #1 if he beats Mosley (even if Pacquiao wins).
If both win, the only way I can see Pacquiao holding onto the ranking is if he beats Clottey in a dominating fashion & Floyd struggles with Mosley down to the wire.
Other than that, the p4p title isn't like a belt where you have to beat the man to take his spot. Beating the #3 ranked guy is way better than beating the #20+ ranked guy.
The winner of Mosely vs Mayweather becomes the No1 Welterweight. Balls to P4P........ I think we should just put that category to bed now.......
I can see where you are coming from but I feel that regardless of the outcome none has done enough to oust Manny as no. 1 - they will need to face him first (or Clottey do a number on him !)
Had Manny been in a division where there was no chance of the winners meeting then I think you would defo be right and the winner of this would become number 1.
But he isn't ;)