Does the Winner of Floyd-Mosley become #1 p4p?

[eagle]

I think that if Mosley wins a close but clear decision over Floyd he deserves some consideration for the #1 P4P spot. It's very debatable though.

So if Floyd dominates Shane he doesnt deserve to be P4P #1?

No, I don't think he does. I would argue that Pacquiao's last three victories (Hatton, Cotto, Clottey [assuming he beats Clottey without controversy]) are more impressive than Marquez (the blown-up version Mayweather fought) and Mosley. Pacquiao dominated Hatton and Cotto and if he does the same to Clottey I don't think there is anyway I could argue that Mayweather deserves to be above him on a P4P list. That being said, I do think Mayweather is a better fighter, but his recent resume is lacking.

I tcan see how you would think that Pac was still more deserving than PBF, but im not sure how u can then say Shane would be more deserving than Pac. I mean here is a man who went 12 hard rounds with Mayorga 2 fights ago.

[CFH]

So if Floyd dominates Shane he doesnt deserve to be P4P #1?

No, I don't think he does. I would argue that Pacquiao's last three victories (Hatton, Cotto, Clottey [assuming he beats Clottey without controversy]) are more impressive than Marquez (the blown-up version Mayweather fought) and Mosley. Pacquiao dominated Hatton and Cotto and if he does the same to Clottey I don't think there is anyway I could argue that Mayweather deserves to be above him on a P4P list. That being said, I do think Mayweather is a better fighter, but his recent resume is lacking.

I tcan see how you would think that Pac was still more deserving than PBF, but im not sure how u can then say Shane would be more deserving than Pac. I mean here is a man who went 12 hard rounds with Mayorga 2 fights ago.

I base my argument for Mosley to be P4P #1 on his dominating upset victory over Margarito and his hypothetical upset win over Mayweather (which would be exponentially bigger than the Margarito victory, obviously). Mayweather is a better fighter than anyone Pacquiao has ever faced and a victory over him, by however slim a margin, combined with the Margarito knock out would edge wins over Hatton, Cotto, and Clottey IMO. If Mosley wins, which he won't, it would all be moot as he would certainly face Pacquiao in his next fight.

[fan johnny]

Are not P4P ranking is based on the hypothetical, the best fighter disregarding weight class? That would mean comparing Ring generalship, Boxing skill; offensive and defensive, style match, strength to an extent, endurance level, chin and effect aggression. The more fights a boxer has the more the hypothetical match-ups can be compared.

[knodaledge]

Are not P4P ranking is based on the hypothetical, the best fighter disregarding weight class? That would mean comparing Ring generalship, Boxing skill; offensive and defensive, style match, strength to an extent, endurance level, chin and effect aggression. The more fights a boxer has the more the hypothetical match-ups can be compared.

This.

Yes, quality of opposition is definitely a factor, but it is only 1 factor.

Considering that they plugged Mayweather in at the #2 spot for beating JMM, I think they'd put him at #1 if he beats Mosley (even if Pacquiao wins).

If both win, the only way I can see Pacquiao holding onto the ranking is if he beats Clottey in a dominating fashion & Floyd struggles with Mosley down to the wire.

Other than that, the p4p title isn't like a belt where you have to beat the man to take his spot. Beating the #3 ranked guy is way better than beating the #20+ ranked guy.

[TheMacMagician]

The winner of Mosely vs Mayweather becomes the No1 Welterweight. Balls to P4P........ I think we should just put that category to bed now.......

[Mark TKO]

I can see where you are coming from but I feel that regardless of the outcome none has done enough to oust Manny as no. 1 - they will need to face him first (or Clottey do a number on him !)

Had Manny been in a division where there was no chance of the winners meeting then I think you would defo be right and the winner of this would become number 1.

But he isn't

[FTMatty]

I can see where you are coming from but I feel that regardless of the outcome none has done enough to oust Manny as no. 1 - they will need to face him first (or Clottey do a number on him !)

Had Manny been in a division where there was no chance of the winners meeting then I think you would defo be right and the winner of this would become number 1.

But he isn't

Are you sure about that??
You might be right, once he's clean.

[Mar]

It should since the so callled no 1 has ducked both guys.

[Jimmy G-Force]

I can see where you are coming from but I feel that regardless of the outcome none has done enough to oust Manny as no. 1 - they will need to face him first (or Clottey do a number on him !)

Had Manny been in a division where there was no chance of the winners meeting then I think you would defo be right and the winner of this would become number 1.

But he isn't

Exactly what Mark said.

[Taeth]

As much as I think Floyd is already a better fighter than Manny, he doesn't not deserve to surplant Manny on the p4p pole unless he has an amazing victory over Mosley, or Shane over him, and that Manny doesn't have a decisive win over Clottey. I think as long as Manny firmly beats Clottey he will remain p4p#1, he doesn't deserve to have it taken away from him unless he loses or wins a controversial fight.

[J_Undisputed]

They (Oscar\GBP\Ring) could uproot Manny in an attempt to bruise his ego enough to lure him into the ring with Mayweather. Judging by his reaction to the juicing accusations, etc... i think the opposite just might happen, though...

[Dench]

Scenario 1: If Pacman wins via KO, SD or UD vs Clottey

If Mosley wins via KO, UD or SD -- he will be number 1
If Floyd wins via SD or UD -- he will stay at number 2
If Floyd wins via KO (which is very unlikely) -- he will be number 1

Scenario 2: If Pacman losses via KO, SD or UD vs Clottey

If Mosley wins via KO, UD or SD -- he will be number 1
If Floyd wins via SD or UD -- he will be number 1
If Floyd wins via KO (which is very unlikely) -- he will be number 1

No matter what happens to pacman, if Mosley wins vs Floyd, that will mean he beat 2 top active welter fighters that Pacman never fought. That is enough to put Mosley on Number 1 I guess.

[rjj tszyu]

Although I think Mayweather would comfortably beat Manny, I don't think he has done enough to oust Manny as the number 1 man since his return. In fact he would have to beat Manny for me providing Manny doesn't get beaten by Clottey!

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

I said noted a few weeks ago that over history it seems that fighters who gravitate towards, or even from the WW division seem more destined for a greater kind of accolade than others. (bar maybe the Heavyweights?)

It's almost a hindrance to my judgement now that there are several fighters all in the same weight-class all rated as p4p some of the best fighters on the planet.

The thing to remember is that we are not talking about a simple league table.
Weight class aside, my principle is that the bias goes towards the naturally smaller man.

With that in mind, there's not a lot Mosley could do at this point become the No.1 ranked fighter.... Even if he sparked Floyd in one round, he'd still only be an heir apparent of sorts. Basically, it's Manny's crown to loose at this point (for reasons stated by Mark TKO & Fenster).

[milmascaras1]

if mayweather jr. beats mosley emphatically then yes, i think he deserves to take the no. 1 p4p title!