Manny Pacquiao Is Unbelievable.

A few years ago it would of been considered, a joke that Manny Pacquiao could dominate top Welterweights. And thats exactly what he's done i mean since the JMM fight, he's only lost like 1 round. Even though Manny Pacquiao did defeat two of my favorite fighters MAB, JMM.

Manny Pacquiao has really grown on me, since he become a more skillful boxer. I actually find him more exciting as the skillful boxer he is now. Rather than the all out slugger he was.

And im just glad im in this era to appreciate him first hand, sure SRR was amazing. But there's limited footage of him and he comes from a totally different era. Not to mention black/white fights, i find it hard to really get into black/white fights.

But now we have an amazing fighter to really appreciate first hand, who will be talked about forever and forever. And im going to enjoy every last little bit of it.

Yeah I love the Pacman, to me he's in the top 3 of all time now behind Robinson and Ali.

I don't know how the likes of Ray Leonard and Henry Armstrong can match up to what he has done.

He is beating the best opposition out there, in a weight division far above his natural, and he's destroying them in completely one sided fights.

If he does beat Floyd his resume would be crazy.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

Yeah I love the Pacman, to me he's in the top 3 of all time now behind Robinson and Ali.

I don't know how the likes of Ray Leonard and Henry Armstrong can match up to what he has done.

He is beating the best opposition out there, in a weight division far above his natural, and he's destroying them in completely one sided fights.

If he does beat Floyd his resume would be crazy.

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I agree Pacquiao is top, but with all the credentials he gets lately it makes me wonder..

what if Floyd beats Shane and then beats him? will Floyd's resume be crazy too? Or will it be Floyd picking on smaller fighters?

I just want your opinion on where you think they'll be ranked given if they beat each other, like you gave your opinion how Pacquiao will look if he beats Floyd. How will Floyd look if he beats Shane and Pacquiao?

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

Yeah I love the Pacman, to me he's in the top 3 of all time now behind Robinson and Ali.

I don't know how the likes of Ray Leonard and Henry Armstrong can match up to what he has done.

He is beating the best opposition out there, in a weight division far above his natural, and he's destroying them in completely one sided fights.

If he does beat Floyd his resume would be crazy.

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I agree Pacquiao is top, but with all the credentials he gets lately it makes me wonder..

what if Floyd beats Shane and then beats him? will Floyd's resume be crazy too? Or will it be Floyd picking on smaller fighters?

I just want your opinion on where you think they'll be ranked given if they beat each other, like you gave your opinion how Pacquiao will look if he beats Floyd. How will Floyd look if he beats Shane and Pacquiao?

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i guess that depends on what fashion he beats both in. if he beats mosley and pac on their style of fights then there will be no arguement. but if hes there one punch and move all night,then.. well i dont know how that would cement his legacy.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

Yeah I love the Pacman, to me he's in the top 3 of all time now behind Robinson and Ali.

I don't know how the likes of Ray Leonard and Henry Armstrong can match up to what he has done.

He is beating the best opposition out there, in a weight division far above his natural, and he's destroying them in completely one sided fights.

If he does beat Floyd his resume would be crazy.

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I can see Pac pass Ray Leonard's accomplishments but Henry Armstrong was the 126, 135, and 147 champion simultaneously. And this was before the alphabet soup. Armstrong also fought for the middleweight title to a draw. So in effect Armstrong was the best featherweight, the best lightweight, the best welterweight, and tied for the best middleweight at the same time. Armstrong was something never before or since seen and very much overlooked and undercredited when it comes to history.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

Yeah I love the Pacman, to me he's in the top 3 of all time now behind Robinson and Ali.

I don't know how the likes of Ray Leonard and Henry Armstrong can match up to what he has done.

He is beating the best opposition out there, in a weight division far above his natural, and he's destroying them in completely one sided fights.

If he does beat Floyd his resume would be crazy.

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I'm curious Bilbo, have you ever seen Hank Armstrong in action?

It works both ways, there are people who overrate the older fighters having never seen their fights, but I think when you start placing a fighter on an ATG list before their career is over you're usually wrong.

You need the perspective of them being retired & looking at their whole body of work. I do think Pacquiao would be Top 20 definitely if he retired right now, but it's hard to actually assess till he's finished. Case in point, all those people declaring Roy Jones the best fighter ever or Mike Tyson the best HW ever.

I do find it funny how many people hate on Pac or PBF & they'll be the same people complaining in 20 years at some new fighters about how they don't make 'em like they did back in the noughties.

What was Clottey doing for most of the fight he just stood there guard up waiting for the bell easy fight for Manny but he cant be called the best until he fights Floyd and he would'nt stand a chance no wonder he thought of every excuse going in order for it not to go ahead

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Originally Posted by gstarsgstarry

What was Clottey doing for most of the fight he just stood there guard up waiting for the bell easy fight for Manny but he cant be called the best until he fights Floyd and he would'nt stand a chance no wonder he thought of every excuse going in order for it not to go ahead

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Pac has a great chance v Mayweather, I think he can win it.

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Originally Posted by gstarsgstarry

What was Clottey doing for most of the fight he just stood there guard up waiting for the bell easy fight for Manny but he cant be called the best until he fights Floyd and he would'nt stand a chance no wonder he thought of every excuse going in order for it not to go ahead

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A little bit of an exaggeration here isn't it? Although I would slightly favor Floyd because of his slick defensive abilities and adaptation skills, I don't know about the "he wouldn't stand a chance" statement in regards to Pacquiao. Maybe an Matthew Hatton wouldn't stand a chance, but really to make that kind of statement for a fighter that is 1 of the best p4p is funny.

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Originally Posted by gstarsgstarry

What was Clottey doing for most of the fight he just stood there guard up waiting for the bell easy fight for Manny but he cant be called the best until he fights Floyd and he would'nt stand a chance no wonder he thought of every excuse going in order for it not to go ahead

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Joshua Clottey pretty much always fights that way, too me as i've always said. He has the tools to be an elite fighter, but he lacks vital things.

Like being able to go through the gears, and knowing when to turn it up. Which is what cost him in 2 of his losses, and also being able to concentrate for the full 12 rounds. Which he clearly can't do, he seems to shut off and go into a defensive shell.

I personally think when he threw, he looked ok vs Manny Pacquiao. But then again it was one punch at a time. And you certainly can't beat someone like Manny Pacquiao that way, who's an offensive machine.

To me Clottey fought to survive and not to win. If he would have let his hand go he could have done some damage but he looked too afraid to get hit. When he did throw he did damage. Haven't seen Pac's face busted up like that in awhile and this was by someone who only threw like 20 punches per round. You get someone who can take advantage of Pac's over-aggression with speed and accurate counter-punching like Floyd, Pac's gonna have a long night.

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To me Clottey fought to survive and not to win. If he would have let his hand go he could have done some damage but he looked too afraid to get hit. When he did throw he did damage. Haven't seen Pac's face busted up like that in awhile and this was by someone who only threw like 20 punches per round. You get someone who can take advantage of Pac's over-aggression with speed and accurate counter-punching like Floyd, Pac's gonna have a long night.

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Good post and completely agree. Although it wasn't much I did take some things from the Clottey performance. Clottey had good defense, Floyd's is better and Clottey was able to block a lot of what Pac was throwing, but Clottey didn't do shit. When Clottey did let his hands go, he did inflict some damage and snapped Pac's head back on multiple occasions, it was just few and far between.

I think Floyd is going to have his way with Pac. I do think Floyd will be knocked down "officially" for the first time in his career though. Hatton almost had him on his ass due to being off balanced, I think Pac will catch him and make him fall. Nothing he won't recover from though. After that Pac will be in a vacation from hell at Lead Right City.

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Originally Posted by Caine3078

To me Clottey fought to survive and not to win. If he would have let his hand go he could have done some damage but he looked too afraid to get hit. When he did throw he did damage. Haven't seen Pac's face busted up like that in awhile and this was by someone who only threw like 20 punches per round. You get someone who can take advantage of Pac's over-aggression with speed and accurate counter-punching like Floyd, Pac's gonna have a long night.

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Good post and completely agree. Although it wasn't much I did take some things from the Clottey performance. Clottey had good defense, Floyd's is better and Clottey was able to block a lot of what Pac was throwing, but Clottey didn't do shit. When Clottey did let his hands go, he did inflict some damage and snapped Pac's head back on multiple occasions, it was just few and far between.

I think Floyd is going to have his way with Pac. I do think Floyd will be knocked down "officially" for the first time in his career though. Hatton almost had him on his ass due to being off balanced, I think Pac will catch him and make him fall. Nothing he won't recover from though. After that Pac will be in a vacation from hell at Lead Right City.

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I was thinking the same during the fight. After seeing the hits clottey was landing and the damage occuring i knew it would have been a up hill battle against floyd for pac.
Clottey landed a few nice lead rights, uppercuts in the last few round really shot pacs head back

pac easily gets hit but when was the last time he went down? sure if clot threw more punches he can put some damage on pac but can he knock him out? pac actually has a good chin too.

clot didnt got hit as often as pac wanted cause clot was too busy covering himself up. pbf wont do that he will throw more punches. so pac will have more opportunity to hit pbf.

but to be honest i still think pbf will win over pac. i wish pac beats the hell out of pbf but pbf is just too good.

I now believe Manny can beat PBF. Floyd isn't super human after all. Zab Judah gave him all kinds of trouble early, and should have been 4 rounds up with a knockdown to boot in their fight after 4 rounds. Oscar came very close to beating him, just fading down the stretch because he was gun shy. Castillo did beat him in their first fight imo.

Even Ricky Hatton was awkward for him early on despite losing the rounds.

When you compare and contrast Floyd's performances in the last 3 or 4 years to Manny's I don't think Floyd looks as good.

I think Manny's workrate and pressure could be too much. It will be a very close fight, a 12 round decision but I can see Manny finally dethroning Floyd by a split decision and us having a rematch in 2011.