Manny Pacquiao Is Unbelievable.

[Majesty]

Yeah I love the Pacman, to me he's in the top 3 of all time now behind Robinson and Ali.

I don't know how the likes of Ray Leonard and Henry Armstrong can match up to what he has done.

He is beating the best opposition out there, in a weight division far above his natural, and he's destroying them in completely one sided fights.

If he does beat Floyd his resume would be crazy.

I agree Pacquiao is top, but with all the credentials he gets lately it makes me wonder..

what if Floyd beats Shane and then beats him? will Floyd's resume be crazy too? Or will it be Floyd picking on smaller fighters?

I just want your opinion on where you think they'll be ranked given if they beat each other, like you gave your opinion how Pacquiao will look if he beats Floyd. How will Floyd look if he beats Shane and Pacquiao?

[josef4334]

Yeah I love the Pacman, to me he's in the top 3 of all time now behind Robinson and Ali.

I don't know how the likes of Ray Leonard and Henry Armstrong can match up to what he has done.

He is beating the best opposition out there, in a weight division far above his natural, and he's destroying them in completely one sided fights.

If he does beat Floyd his resume would be crazy.

I agree Pacquiao is top, but with all the credentials he gets lately it makes me wonder..

what if Floyd beats Shane and then beats him? will Floyd's resume be crazy too? Or will it be Floyd picking on smaller fighters?

I just want your opinion on where you think they'll be ranked given if they beat each other, like you gave your opinion how Pacquiao will look if he beats Floyd. How will Floyd look if he beats Shane and Pacquiao?

i guess that depends on what fashion he beats both in. if he beats mosley and pac on their style of fights then there will be no arguement. but if hes there one punch and move all night,then.. well i dont know how that would cement his legacy.

[DaxxKahn]

Yeah I love the Pacman, to me he's in the top 3 of all time now behind Robinson and Ali.

I don't know how the likes of Ray Leonard and Henry Armstrong can match up to what he has done.

He is beating the best opposition out there, in a weight division far above his natural, and he's destroying them in completely one sided fights.

If he does beat Floyd his resume would be crazy.

I agree Pacquiao is top, but with all the credentials he gets lately it makes me wonder..

what if Floyd beats Shane and then beats him? will Floyd's resume be crazy too? Or will it be Floyd picking on smaller fighters?

I just want your opinion on where you think they'll be ranked given if they beat each other, like you gave your opinion how Pacquiao will look if he beats Floyd. How will Floyd look if he beats Shane and Pacquiao?

It would be hard to say Floyd is picking on smaller fighters because Manny has been in with the bigger guys and look what he has done.....I mean Clottey yes is slow but he is a big strong ww who has a great chin and good punching power who has never up until Sat been in a one sided bout...

Now if Manny had never been above LW and Floyd fought him as a WW then it would be a bit unfair because Manny would be in with a guy who is used to big men..

If that makes sense

[Hunter]

If Floyd beats Manny I dont think he will receive as much credit for two reasons:

1 - Floyd has tarnished his legacy already by not fighting the best or who the fans/writers think are the best fighters at a given weight class. I dont know how many times I have read articles or heard on forums that Floyd is afraid to fight Mosley (at lower weights), margarito, cotto etc. You have never heard about Pac being afraid to fight anyone. I mean the guy fought JMM, Morales, and Barerra it seemed one after another......

2 - Pacquaio doesnt have a careful style, he is a brawler. He wants to mix it up. Floyd is very careful at times and can stink the joint out. If Floyd has someone hurt he will sometimes back off to play it safe, manny wont. Fans love pac's style and he gets extra credit for this.

Whether these points are true or not is irrelevant, but they are the reason Floyd doesnt get the respect he thinks he deserves.

[djcione]

Off the top of my head I can think of at least 10 fighters, in divisions Pac has fought, that were MUCH better: I have limited this list to just fighters I have seen live or on tape which eliminates older all time greats such as Leonard, Greb, Gans, Walker, Ross, Attell,etc. and any fighter middleweight or above. There are also others like Arguello, Whitaker, Chavez, Ortiz who I feel were better, but don't rank as high as these 10.

Sugar Ray Robinson
Aaron Pryor
Sugar Ray Leonard
Thomas Hearns
Roberto Duran
Joe Brown
Sandy Saddler
Willie Pep
Henry Armstrong
Eder Jofre



Let's not forget that all of those who say that Floyd has ducked some tough fighters, Manny has ducked a few also like:Shane, Cassamayor, Campbell and Guzman.

[miron_lang]

Off the top of my head I can think of at least 10 fighters, in divisions Pac has fought, that were MUCH better: I have limited this list to just fighters I have seen live or on tape which eliminates older all time greats such as Leonard, Greb, Gans, Walker, Ross, Attell,etc. and any fighter middleweight or above. There are also others like Arguello, Whitaker, Chavez, Ortiz who I feel were better, but don't rank as high as these 10.

Sugar Ray Robinson
Aaron Pryor
Sugar Ray Leonard
Thomas Hearns
Roberto Duran
Joe Brown
Sandy Saddler
Willie Pep
Henry Armstrong
Eder Jofre



Let's not forget that all of those who say that Floyd has ducked some tough fighters, Manny has ducked a few also like:Shane, Cassamayor, Campbell and Guzman.

Much better head to head in your opinion? or Much better achievement?

Cause I cant imagine Aaron Pryor having a better career than Pacquiao.

[djcione]

Off the top of my head I can think of at least 10 fighters, in divisions Pac has fought, that were MUCH better: I have limited this list to just fighters I have seen live or on tape which eliminates older all time greats such as Leonard, Greb, Gans, Walker, Ross, Attell,etc. and any fighter middleweight or above. There are also others like Arguello, Whitaker, Chavez, Ortiz who I feel were better, but don't rank as high as these 10.

Sugar Ray Robinson
Aaron Pryor
Sugar Ray Leonard
Thomas Hearns
Roberto Duran
Joe Brown
Sandy Saddler
Willie Pep
Henry Armstrong
Eder Jofre



Let's not forget that all of those who say that Floyd has ducked some tough fighters, Manny has ducked a few also like:Shane, Cassamayor, Campbell and Guzman.

Much better head to head in your opinion? or Much better achievement?

Cause I cant imagine Aaron Pryor having a better career than Pacquiao.

much better head to head

[JazMerkin]

Off the top of my head I can think of at least 10 fighters, in divisions Pac has fought, that were MUCH better: I have limited this list to just fighters I have seen live or on tape which eliminates older all time greats such as Leonard, Greb, Gans, Walker, Ross, Attell,etc. and any fighter middleweight or above. There are also others like Arguello, Whitaker, Chavez, Ortiz who I feel were better, but don't rank as high as these 10.

Sugar Ray Robinson
Aaron Pryor
Sugar Ray Leonard
Thomas Hearns
Roberto Duran
Joe Brown
Sandy Saddler
Willie Pep
Henry Armstrong
Eder Jofre



Let's not forget that all of those who say that Floyd has ducked some tough fighters, Manny has ducked a few also like:Shane, Cassamayor, Campbell and Guzman.

I would favour Pacquiao to have beaten Pryor and he is a greater fighter no doubt.

However, any judgements on Pacquaio's career should be delayed till his career is over. He's doing amazing things right now, but an assessment needs to be made only after his career is definitively over.

[Kev]

Off the top of my head I can think of at least 10 fighters, in divisions Pac has fought, that were MUCH better: I have limited this list to just fighters I have seen live or on tape which eliminates older all time greats such as Leonard, Greb, Gans, Walker, Ross, Attell,etc. and any fighter middleweight or above. There are also others like Arguello, Whitaker, Chavez, Ortiz who I feel were better, but don't rank as high as these 10.

Sugar Ray Robinson
Aaron Pryor
Sugar Ray Leonard
Thomas Hearns
Roberto Duran
Joe Brown
Sandy Saddler
Willie Pep
Henry Armstrong
Eder Jofre



Let's not forget that all of those who say that Floyd has ducked some tough fighters, Manny has ducked a few also like:Shane, Cassamayor, Campbell and Guzman.

I would favour Pacquiao to have beaten Pryor and he is a greater fighter no doubt.

However, any judgements on Pacquaio's career should be delayed till his career is over. He's doing amazing things right now, but an assessment needs to be made only after his career is definitively over.

Whilst in theory I agree with you Jaz to do so makes forums such as this redundant, the whole point of a forum is to stimulate discussion about our favourite subjects and whether it's correct from a long term historic perspective has no relevance.

What matters is people bantering with each other, and me knowing that my views are the right views.

[Caine3078]

If Floyd beats Manny I dont think he will receive as much credit for two reasons:

1 - Floyd has tarnished his legacy already by not fighting the best or who the fans/writers think are the best fighters at a given weight class. I dont know how many times I have read articles or heard on forums that Floyd is afraid to fight Mosley (at lower weights), margarito, cotto etc. You have never heard about Pac being afraid to fight anyone. I mean the guy fought JMM, Morales, and Barerra it seemed one after another......

2 - Pacquaio doesnt have a careful style, he is a brawler. He wants to mix it up. Floyd is very careful at times and can stink the joint out. If Floyd has someone hurt he will sometimes back off to play it safe, manny wont. Fans love pac's style and he gets extra credit for this.

Whether these points are true or not is irrelevant, but they are the reason Floyd doesnt get the respect he thinks he deserves.

I don't know where you read an article saying Floyd was afraid of fighting Mosley at lower weights. Floyd was the first to try to get a fight with Mosley in 2003 I believe and Mosley declined the fight. I don't know if Shane was afraid of Floyd or just didn't want the fight.