Haye one of worst heavyweight champs of all time?

looks like the klitscko fight is off once again, for me it is the only fight i am interested in well that & haye fighting vitali as well.

but lets look at haye!

he beats possibly one of the worst heavyweight champions of all time in valuev, who had really been beaten by ruiz & holyfield already in his defences. & its debatable if haye really beat valuev in the first place?

then hayes first defence is against ruiz, who also was one of the worst heavyweight champions of all time.

then he will not unify the title against either klitscko, after mouthing off @ every oportunity that this was reason he was stepping up to the heavyweights for?

fk me we have had some bad heavyweight champs since lewis retired (i do not include the klitscko bros in this tho)

i remember after bowe beat holyfield he fought dokes & ferguson & he got slated for them defences but @ least he beat a great champ to get the title in the first place.

personally for me haye is in same bracket as bruce seldon, henry akinwande and francesco damiani until he actually fights a half decent heavy

Hmm.. I don't man. I think it's too early to call him that. I mean, I wouldn't compare him to McCall or Golota just yet.

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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

Hmm.. I don't man. I think it's too early to call him that. I mean, I wouldn't compare him to McCall or Golota just yet.

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mccall beat lewis for the title & golota basically beat the crap outta bowe twice?

haye has been takin everyone for a ride, not sure if he ever really wanted to fight the klitscko's

i dunno but ruiz was bad..

A few david haye stats over his last seven fights.

The average age of his opponent is 35 years 4 months and 16 days. This would be much higher if you remove enzo from the list as he was 27 at the time of the fight.

Haye takes an average of 205 days between fights.

As a Heavyweight he has scored 12 knockdowns in four fights.

Make up your own mind.

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Originally Posted by fury

i dunno but ruiz was bad..

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Ruiz will be pretty tough to move away from the #1 spot of worst HW of all time actually.

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Originally Posted by fury

i dunno but ruiz was bad..

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Ruiz will be pretty tough to move away from the #1 spot of worst HW of all time actually.

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Ruiz is nowhere near the worst HW of all time. He might not have been exciting, but he was a good fighter. Only Tua, Jones & Haye have ever clearly beat him. Compared to the likes of Primo Carnera, Lee Savold, Gerrie Coetzee & Bruce Seldon, I think Ruiz isn't too bad.

How about Valuev? He was bad as well.

Chicken Little hasn't really gone after the best of the best even outside the Klitschko brothers...Ruiz is the best heavyweight Chicken Little has fought and if he fights Harrison then Ruiz will stay as the Chicken's toughest opponent and that is humorous and tragic at the same time.

Manny Steward was right about this guy, he's all bark, Wlad gave him a sweetheart deal and he turned his nose up at it....that's ok he'll get exposed soon enough either by a good fighter or by the quality of competition he chooses to fight

2 words.... Bruce Seldon

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A few david haye stats over his last seven fights.

1) The average age of his opponent is 35 years 4 months and 16 days. This would be much higher if you remove enzo from the list as he was 27 at the time of the fight.

2) Haye takes an average of 205 days between fights.

3) As a Heavyweight he has scored 12 knockdowns in four fights.

Make up your own mind.

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To take your points in order, from an unconvinced but hopeful Haye fan.

1) The average age of fighters in the top 25 heavies is 32, and in a division where age isn't as much of a barrier (see Evander getting jobbed against Valuev) 35 years isn't that old.

2) Would you rather see him take the Klitschko method beating up no-hopers once a quarter in front of big crowds in Germany. He could easily earn his pension in that way, but has said it's only big fights he wants.

3) 12 knockdowns in four fights? I'm not sure I see the negative in this. He's a power puncher, doesn't wear down fighters like the 2k's. Knockdowns are a good thing in my book.

All I'm going to say is let the negotiating teams hammer it out. Like Mayweather v Pacquiao, there's too much money there for the fights not to get made. Eventually, it will talk, and the fights will get made.

Valuev and Seldon for me.

I gotta go either Valuev or one not mentioned...Buster Douglas.I mean at least all others gave themselves a chance to win in first defense and not go from physical phenom to gelatinous mess almost overnight.

Damiani was a WBO joke but could box like a fool and was schooling undefeated Ray Mercer,badly.Bruce seldon takes much flack after going school girl against Tyson but really...he had good hands,speed and a killer jab.His problem was a match stick chin and a chest full of purring kittens when it got tough.

Haye hasn't even finished his career yet. And has had what 4 HW fights ?

And I guess it must be an achievement in your eyes to go down as the worst HW champion of all time yet he must be one of the most exciting as well. Weird.

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Haye hasn't even finished his career yet. And has had what 4 HW fights ?

And I guess it must be an achievement in your eyes to go down as the worst HW champion of all time yet he must be one of the most exciting as well. Weird.

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Haye/Valuev will go down as one of the most boring HW fights of all time, and Haye/Ruiz barely got a buzz, so dunno how you can label him as one of the most exciting HW's

Nowhere near that IMO.
He packs a punch, he's exciting and he still hasn't retired...

The worst for me are Sharkey which in turn leads you to Carnera.
There's also room for Nikolay, Rahman & Thomas.