If Martinez is the best fighter in the sport how about fighting Ward, Kessler, Froch,

and all the other top 168 pound fighters? Since it is said in the boxing world with Floyd's indefinite hiatus because of legal problems and Pacquiao is cherry picking fighters, they are not worthy to be considered the best in the sport and have been supplanted by Martinez. And since Martinez has no challengers at 160 and he is hoping that those two would jump more weight classes to fight him, but it isn't happening because those 2 aren't taking the risks. Well how about a move up to fight the top 168 pound fighters? Like Andre Ward, Kessler, Froch, Bute, etc. Surely it's much better than trying to make a fight with a 1 hit wonder like Ishida or hoping to fight Chavez Jr. or reality tv boxer Manfredo?

So how about it? Shouldn't the best in the sport test himself against the best from another weight class? Since his weight class is devoid of challenges? And the 168 pound class is one of the deepest in the sport right now.

It really is sad that the legit middleweight king has nobody and I mean NOBODY credible to fight at either 160 or 154 (which he might still be able to make). What the hell happened to those two divisions?

While I appreciate the satire in your post, the ironic thing may be that Martinez might go that route to secure a big payday. But if I were him? I'd start a middleweight Bum of the Month Club.

Sturm, Geale, Sylvester, Zbick, Pirog, Angulo, Cintron, Sechew. Just knock'em off one after another on cable. Make myself so noticeable that the public keeps clamoring for more.

Then hope by years end Vanes Matyrosian or Saul Alvarez has grown into a threat or that Arthur Abraham or Kelly Pavlik move back down.

I don't see why he couldn't do that, but likewise I don't know why Pac couldn't fight him at 154 either. Marquez goes up two, but Pac can't go up one properly? Hmm. Double standards there methinks.

Martinez would be a smaller SMW, but it isn't a particularly mad thing to consider doing.

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and all the other top 168 pound fighters? Since it is said in the boxing world with Floyd's indefinite hiatus because of legal problems and Pacquiao is cherry picking fighters, they are not worthy to be considered the best in the sport and have been supplanted by Martinez. And since Martinez has no challengers at 160 and he is hoping that those two would jump more weight classes to fight him, but it isn't happening because those 2 aren't taking the risks. Well how about a move up to fight the top 168 pound fighters? Like Andre Ward, Kessler, Froch, Bute, etc. Surely it's much better than trying to make a fight with a 1 hit wonder like Ishida or hoping to fight Chavez Jr. or reality tv boxer Manfredo?

So how about it? Shouldn't the best in the sport test himself against the best from another weight class? Since his weight class is devoid of challenges? And the 168 pound class is one of the deepest in the sport right now.

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Martinez weight class is 160(middle)!!! If Ward or any of the others want to make that fight, then they should meet in the middle. I'm not a fan of catch weight. But for Martinez to jump weight to 169, he can be putting himself at a disadvantage. Fair fighting is my point. Will Ward or any of the other come down to 160? Better yet, can they without half killing themself?
Martinez is willing to come down to 154 to make a big fight, but no one is speaking his name. Cotto rather wait and fight Jcc Jr and stay on the shelf. Pacman said he will never go back to 150(154). Floyd is retired. Strum don't want it. Angulo don't want it. DLH don't want it for Saul. The only person that want it, no one want to see hm get it. Paul Williams, At least until he get his status back up.
Bottom line, if a suppermiddle weight want to fight Martinez, they should meet in the middle(164). Whomever it will be, I won't expect any of them to blow Martinez out!!!

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I don't see why he couldn't do that, but likewise I don't know why Pac couldn't fight him at 154 either. Marquez goes up two, but Pac can't go up one properly? Hmm. Double standards there methinks.
Martinez would be a smaller SMW, but it isn't a particularly mad thing to consider doing.

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This is SUCH bullspit! Manny is in his TENTH division and you want him to go up more?

The equivalent for JMM would be for him to go to 168 or 175!

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But he can fight for the 154lb title just not against someone who won't stand in front of him as a punching bag?

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There's no 154 champion at the moment. Who do you mean?

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I don't see why he couldn't do that, but likewise I don't know why Pac couldn't fight him at 154 either. Marquez goes up two, but Pac can't go up one properly? Hmm. Double standards there methinks.
Martinez would be a smaller SMW, but it isn't a particularly mad thing to consider doing.

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This is SUCH bullspit! Manny is in his TENTH division and you want him to go up more?

The equivalent for JMM would be for him to go to 168 or 175!

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But he can fight for the 154lb title just not against someone who won't stand in front of him as a punching bag?

He fought Margo for the WBC light middleweight title 154lb

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I don't see why he couldn't do that, but likewise I don't know why Pac couldn't fight him at 154 either. Marquez goes up two, but Pac can't go up one properly? Hmm. Double standards there methinks.
Martinez would be a smaller SMW, but it isn't a particularly mad thing to consider doing.

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This is SUCH bullspit! Manny is in his TENTH division and you want him to go up more?

The equivalent for JMM would be for him to go to 168 or 175!

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But he can fight for the 154lb title just not against someone who won't stand in front of him as a punching bag?

He fought Margo for the WBC light middleweight title 154lb

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LOL, yeah like THAT piece of junk means something.

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I don't see why he couldn't do that, but likewise I don't know why Pac couldn't fight him at 154 either. Marquez goes up two, but Pac can't go up one properly? Hmm. Double standards there methinks.
Martinez would be a smaller SMW, but it isn't a particularly mad thing to consider doing.

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This is SUCH bullspit! Manny is in his TENTH division and you want him to go up more?

The equivalent for JMM would be for him to go to 168 or 175!

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But he can fight for the 154lb title just not against someone who won't stand in front of him as a punching bag?

He fought Margo for the WBC light middleweight title 154lb

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LOL, yeah like THAT piece of junk means something.

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So if it means something then Pac can't do it? But if it means nothing and it's a cherry pick catch weight blah blah then it's ok for him to do it? And then you guys all praise him. Double standard the Pac fans use with Margo and Martinez...

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I don't see why he couldn't do that, but likewise I don't know why Pac couldn't fight him at 154 either. Marquez goes up two, but Pac can't go up one properly? Hmm. Double standards there methinks.
Martinez would be a smaller SMW, but it isn't a particularly mad thing to consider doing.

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This is SUCH bullspit! Manny is in his TENTH division and you want him to go up more?

The equivalent for JMM would be for him to go to 168 or 175!

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But he can fight for the 154lb title just not against someone who won't stand in front of him as a punching bag?

He fought Margo for the WBC light middleweight title 154lb

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LOL, yeah like THAT piece of junk means something.

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So if it means something then Pac can't do it? But if it means nothing and it's a cherry pick catch weight blah blah then it's ok for him to do it? And then you guys all praise him. Double standard the Pac fans use with Margo and Martinez...

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Manny fighting bigger men is extremely impressive. But the Margarito fight didn't mean much outside of that did it?

A fight with Sergio Martinez is nothing short of a suicide mission. The equivalent would be JMM fighting a 168 or Floyd fighting a cruiserweight. THAT would be how many divisions Manny would have jumped.

Would it secure him a place in boxing's top 10-15 all-time if he won? Yup.

But given that you can't name ten men in history who have had the success across ten of today's divisions that Manny has, why do you find it useful to say if he doesn't he's being unreasonable?

Before you complain about him, doesn't logic require you to complain about the 99.999% of all figthers who have never tried to fight acrosds ten divisions?

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and all the other top 168 pound fighters? Since it is said in the boxing world with Floyd's indefinite hiatus because of legal problems and Pacquiao is cherry picking fighters, they are not worthy to be considered the best in the sport and have been supplanted by Martinez. And since Martinez has no challengers at 160 and he is hoping that those two would jump more weight classes to fight him, but it isn't happening because those 2 aren't taking the risks. Well how about a move up to fight the top 168 pound fighters? Like Andre Ward, Kessler, Froch, Bute, etc. Surely it's much better than trying to make a fight with a 1 hit wonder like Ishida or hoping to fight Chavez Jr. or reality tv boxer Manfredo?

So how about it? Shouldn't the best in the sport test himself against the best from another weight class? Since his weight class is devoid of challenges? And the 168 pound class is one of the deepest in the sport right now.

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Martinez weight class is 160(middle)!!! If Ward or any of the others want to make that fight, then they should meet in the middle. I'm not a fan of catch weight. But for Martinez to jump weight to 169, he can be putting himself at a disadvantage. Fair fighting is my point. Will Ward or any of the other come down to 160? Better yet, can they without half killing themself?
Martinez is willing to come down to 154 to make a big fight, but no one is speaking his name. Cotto rather wait and fight Jcc Jr and stay on the shelf. Pacman said he will never go back to 150(154). Floyd is retired. Strum don't want it. Angulo don't want it. DLH don't want it for Saul. The only person that want it, no one want to see hm get it. Paul Williams, At least until he get his status back up.
Bottom line, if a suppermiddle weight want to fight Martinez, they should meet in the middle(164). Whomever it will be, I won't expect any of them to blow Martinez out!!!

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Martinez said he cannot make 154 anymore, so anyone that wants to challenge him from a lower weight class has to fight at 160.

So Pacquiao, Mayweather, Cotto and everyone else from the lower weights has to fight Martinez at 160 to be a fair fight but for Martinez to fight at 168 against Ward, Froch, Kessler, Bute is unfair?

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I don't see why he couldn't do that, but likewise I don't know why Pac couldn't fight him at 154 either. Marquez goes up two, but Pac can't go up one properly? Hmm. Double standards there methinks.

Martinez would be a smaller SMW, but it isn't a particularly mad thing to consider doing.

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Miles Pac walk in weight is 148 lb, Sergio is 171 lbs, thats a whopping 23 lbs. Pac couldnt even make the wellterweight max. Flatout unfair. If I my ask why dont Sergio move up and fight Andre Ward to prove he is the workds best?

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I don't see why he couldn't do that, but likewise I don't know why Pac couldn't fight him at 154 either. Marquez goes up two, but Pac can't go up one properly? Hmm. Double standards there methinks.

Martinez would be a smaller SMW, but it isn't a particularly mad thing to consider doing.

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hmn Martinez too small to fight a super middle but Pac big enough to fight a good sized middle:-\

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I don't see why he couldn't do that, but likewise I don't know why Pac couldn't fight him at 154 either. Marquez goes up two, but Pac can't go up one properly? Hmm. Double standards there methinks.

Martinez would be a smaller SMW, but it isn't a particularly mad thing to consider doing.

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Miles Pac walk in weight is 148 lb, Sergio is 171 lbs, thats a whopping 23 lbs. Pac couldnt even make the wellterweight max. Flatout unfair. If I my ask why dont Sergio move up and fight Andre Ward to prove he is the workds best?

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No mega money in it!

I don't make it a habit of putting people down for not moving up in weight. For example, I wouldn't give Pacquiao grief for not fighting Martinez. Would it be great for his legacy? Sure, if he beat Martinez, he might make it into the top 10 ATG, either way, we would have witnessed something unparalleled in boxing. In fact, I'd give Pacquiao credit just for taking on Martinez, if he beat him, it would be ridiculous.

Back to Martinez, Martinez has options at middleweight. If he has a few more years in the sport, I don't see why he wouldn't clean out the division before moving up. He only just got to middleweight. I actually think Sturm is a good fight and so is Geale for that matter after his win over Sylvester. There is nothing wrong with cleaning out a division and Sturm has been a champion in the division at one time or another for quite a while. I disagree with Marble, I wouldn't categorize Sturm as a bum, a cherry picker, sure, but not a bum. I also don't think of Sergio as a big middleweight. He's grown into being a middleweight, but a big middleweight, he is not. And if Arthur Abraham was small at 68', Sergio is even smaller because he fought most of his career at 147/154 where AA fought it at 160.

Can someone point me to a boxer that Pacquiao has ducked at or around his weight class? Who do you want to see him fight at welterweight or junior welterweight? Three months ago, I wanted to see him fight Andre Berto, now clearly, that would have been a blow out. I just can't point to anyone. If you look at the ring rankings, there isn't one interesting fight at or around his weight class other than Timothy Bradley. And I think he if beats Marquez, Bradley will be his next opponent. He's effectively cleaned out the welterweight division. I recall a few years ago I criticized Mayweather for not fighting the best at welterweight, but instead fighting Hatton, a real junior welterweight, at welterweight. I can't make that same criticism of Pacquiao and that means something, I think.