If Martinez is the best fighter in the sport how about fighting Ward, Kessler, Froch,

[mafiajoey]

I don't see why he couldn't do that, but likewise I don't know why Pac couldn't fight him at 154 either. Marquez goes up two, but Pac can't go up one properly? Hmm. Double standards there methinks.
Martinez would be a smaller SMW, but it isn't a particularly mad thing to consider doing.

This is SUCH bullspit! Manny is in his TENTH division and you want him to go up more?

The equivalent for JMM would be for him to go to 168 or 175!

But he can fight for the 154lb title just not against someone who won't stand in front of him as a punching bag?

He fought Margo for the WBC light middleweight title 154lb

LOL, yeah like THAT piece of junk means something.

So if it means something then Pac can't do it? But if it means nothing and it's a cherry pick catch weight blah blah then it's ok for him to do it? And then you guys all praise him. Double standard the Pac fans use with Margo and Martinez...

[marbleheadmaui]

I don't see why he couldn't do that, but likewise I don't know why Pac couldn't fight him at 154 either. Marquez goes up two, but Pac can't go up one properly? Hmm. Double standards there methinks.
Martinez would be a smaller SMW, but it isn't a particularly mad thing to consider doing.

This is SUCH bullspit! Manny is in his TENTH division and you want him to go up more?

The equivalent for JMM would be for him to go to 168 or 175!

But he can fight for the 154lb title just not against someone who won't stand in front of him as a punching bag?

He fought Margo for the WBC light middleweight title 154lb

LOL, yeah like THAT piece of junk means something.

So if it means something then Pac can't do it? But if it means nothing and it's a cherry pick catch weight blah blah then it's ok for him to do it? And then you guys all praise him. Double standard the Pac fans use with Margo and Martinez...

Manny fighting bigger men is extremely impressive. But the Margarito fight didn't mean much outside of that did it?

A fight with Sergio Martinez is nothing short of a suicide mission. The equivalent would be JMM fighting a 168 or Floyd fighting a cruiserweight. THAT would be how many divisions Manny would have jumped.

Would it secure him a place in boxing's top 10-15 all-time if he won? Yup.

But given that you can't name ten men in history who have had the success across ten of today's divisions that Manny has, why do you find it useful to say if he doesn't he's being unreasonable?

Before you complain about him, doesn't logic require you to complain about the 99.999% of all figthers who have never tried to fight acrosds ten divisions?

[mafiajoey]

I don't see why he couldn't do that, but likewise I don't know why Pac couldn't fight him at 154 either. Marquez goes up two, but Pac can't go up one properly? Hmm. Double standards there methinks.
Martinez would be a smaller SMW, but it isn't a particularly mad thing to consider doing.

This is SUCH bullspit! Manny is in his TENTH division and you want him to go up more?

The equivalent for JMM would be for him to go to 168 or 175!

But he can fight for the 154lb title just not against someone who won't stand in front of him as a punching bag?

He fought Margo for the WBC light middleweight title 154lb

LOL, yeah like THAT piece of junk means something.

So if it means something then Pac can't do it? But if it means nothing and it's a cherry pick catch weight blah blah then it's ok for him to do it? And then you guys all praise him. Double standard the Pac fans use with Margo and Martinez...

Manny fighting bigger men is extremely impressive. But the Margarito fight didn't mean much outside of that did it?

A fight with Sergio Martinez is nothing short of a suicide mission. The equivalent would be JMM fighting a 168 or Floyd fighting a cruiserweight. THAT would be how many divisions Manny would have jumped.

Would it secure him a place in boxing's top 10-15 all-time if he won? Yup.

But given that you can't name ten men in history who have had the success across ten of today's divisions that Manny has, why do you find it useful to say if he doesn't he's being unreasonable?

Before you complain about him, doesn't logic require you to complain about the 99.999% of all figthers who have never tried to fight acrosds ten divisions?

You say the Margo fight didn't mean much? Are you kidding? It's your claim to fame for Manny so you can remind us he has won titles in as many divisions as he has. Since it didn't mean much I will give you permission to dock one number from the number you use when describing how many titles hes won. You said it yourself...it didn't mean much.

[marbleheadmaui]

I don't see why he couldn't do that, but likewise I don't know why Pac couldn't fight him at 154 either. Marquez goes up two, but Pac can't go up one properly? Hmm. Double standards there methinks.
Martinez would be a smaller SMW, but it isn't a particularly mad thing to consider doing.

This is SUCH bullspit! Manny is in his TENTH division and you want him to go up more?

The equivalent for JMM would be for him to go to 168 or 175!

But he can fight for the 154lb title just not against someone who won't stand in front of him as a punching bag?

He fought Margo for the WBC light middleweight title 154lb

LOL, yeah like THAT piece of junk means something.

So if it means something then Pac can't do it? But if it means nothing and it's a cherry pick catch weight blah blah then it's ok for him to do it? And then you guys all praise him. Double standard the Pac fans use with Margo and Martinez...

Manny fighting bigger men is extremely impressive. But the Margarito fight didn't mean much outside of that did it?

A fight with Sergio Martinez is nothing short of a suicide mission. The equivalent would be JMM fighting a 168 or Floyd fighting a cruiserweight. THAT would be how many divisions Manny would have jumped.

Would it secure him a place in boxing's top 10-15 all-time if he won? Yup.

But given that you can't name ten men in history who have had the success across ten of today's divisions that Manny has, why do you find it useful to say if he doesn't he's being unreasonable?

Before you complain about him, doesn't logic require you to complain about the 99.999% of all figthers who have never tried to fight acrosds ten divisions?

You say the Margo fight didn't mean much? Are you kidding? It's your claim to fame for Manny so you can remind us he has won titles in as many divisions as he has. Since it didn't mean much I will give you permission to dock one number from the number you use when describing how many titles hes won. You said it yourself...it didn't mean much.

Yup, it didn't mean much. For the mentally impaired (like you Joey ) Manny's greatest accomplishment is winning four legitimate lineal crowns, the only man in history to do so.

The straps at 122, 135, 147 and 154 mean nothing. Lineal or as i call them THE MAN titles are all that carry any weight. The rest are merely a function of how corrupt a given alphabet group feels on a given day.

[Rantcatrat]

I also will completely lose any faith in Cotto fighting another truly tough fight if he moves up in weight to fight Chavez Jr. but won't move up in weight to fight Martinez. Cotto is a p4p fighter. It is fair for us to expect more.

[mafiajoey]

I don't see why he couldn't do that, but likewise I don't know why Pac couldn't fight him at 154 either. Marquez goes up two, but Pac can't go up one properly? Hmm. Double standards there methinks.
Martinez would be a smaller SMW, but it isn't a particularly mad thing to consider doing.

This is SUCH bullspit! Manny is in his TENTH division and you want him to go up more?

The equivalent for JMM would be for him to go to 168 or 175!

But he can fight for the 154lb title just not against someone who won't stand in front of him as a punching bag?

He fought Margo for the WBC light middleweight title 154lb

LOL, yeah like THAT piece of junk means something.

So if it means something then Pac can't do it? But if it means nothing and it's a cherry pick catch weight blah blah then it's ok for him to do it? And then you guys all praise him. Double standard the Pac fans use with Margo and Martinez...

Manny fighting bigger men is extremely impressive. But the Margarito fight didn't mean much outside of that did it?

A fight with Sergio Martinez is nothing short of a suicide mission. The equivalent would be JMM fighting a 168 or Floyd fighting a cruiserweight. THAT would be how many divisions Manny would have jumped.

Would it secure him a place in boxing's top 10-15 all-time if he won? Yup.

But given that you can't name ten men in history who have had the success across ten of today's divisions that Manny has, why do you find it useful to say if he doesn't he's being unreasonable?

Before you complain about him, doesn't logic require you to complain about the 99.999% of all figthers who have never tried to fight acrosds ten divisions?

You say the Margo fight didn't mean much? Are you kidding? It's your claim to fame for Manny so you can remind us he has won titles in as many divisions as he has. Since it didn't mean much I will give you permission to dock one number from the number you use when describing how many titles hes won. You said it yourself...it didn't mean much.

Yup, it didn't mean much. For the mentally impaired (like you Joey ) Manny's greatest accomplishment is winning four legitimate lineal crowns, the only man in history to do so.

The straps at 122, 135, 147 and 154 mean nothing. Lineal or as i call them THE MAN titles are all that carry any weight. The rest are merely a function of how corrupt a given alphabet group feels on a given day.

I respect that....Thank you Miyagi.. (:

[marbleheadmaui]

I don't see why he couldn't do that, but likewise I don't know why Pac couldn't fight him at 154 either. Marquez goes up two, but Pac can't go up one properly? Hmm. Double standards there methinks.
Martinez would be a smaller SMW, but it isn't a particularly mad thing to consider doing.

This is SUCH bullspit! Manny is in his TENTH division and you want him to go up more?

The equivalent for JMM would be for him to go to 168 or 175!

But he can fight for the 154lb title just not against someone who won't stand in front of him as a punching bag?

He fought Margo for the WBC light middleweight title 154lb

LOL, yeah like THAT piece of junk means something.

So if it means something then Pac can't do it? But if it means nothing and it's a cherry pick catch weight blah blah then it's ok for him to do it? And then you guys all praise him. Double standard the Pac fans use with Margo and Martinez...

Manny fighting bigger men is extremely impressive. But the Margarito fight didn't mean much outside of that did it?

A fight with Sergio Martinez is nothing short of a suicide mission. The equivalent would be JMM fighting a 168 or Floyd fighting a cruiserweight. THAT would be how many divisions Manny would have jumped.

Would it secure him a place in boxing's top 10-15 all-time if he won? Yup.

But given that you can't name ten men in history who have had the success across ten of today's divisions that Manny has, why do you find it useful to say if he doesn't he's being unreasonable?

Before you complain about him, doesn't logic require you to complain about the 99.999% of all figthers who have never tried to fight acrosds ten divisions?

You say the Margo fight didn't mean much? Are you kidding? It's your claim to fame for Manny so you can remind us he has won titles in as many divisions as he has. Since it didn't mean much I will give you permission to dock one number from the number you use when describing how many titles hes won. You said it yourself...it didn't mean much.

Yup, it didn't mean much. For the mentally impaired (like you Joey ) Manny's greatest accomplishment is winning four legitimate lineal crowns, the only man in history to do so.

The straps at 122, 135, 147 and 154 mean nothing. Lineal or as i call them THE MAN titles are all that carry any weight. The rest are merely a function of how corrupt a given alphabet group feels on a given day.

I respect that....Thank you Miyagi.. (:

Lies only become truth if other person chooses to believe them. [Look eye! ALWAYS look eye!]

[generalbulldog]

Let's get back on topic. If Martinez is the best fighter in the sport as a lot of people have claimed, why not move up to fight Andre Ward or any top 168 pound fighter. Since his division sucks. Hell it was just mentioned that Cotto should move up to 160 and fight him.

So everyone from the lower weights should move up to fight Martinez, but Martinez is given a pass to not move up?

Great logic ain't it?