GC's Thoughts: Chavez-Zbik: What Did I Just Watch?
This guy is right. I dont know what these judges saw.
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GC's Thoughts: Chavez-Zbik: What Did I Just Watch?
This guy is right. I dont know what these judges saw.
I had Chavez winning with those body shots. Heads shot look prettier but I thought Chavez won a close one
I missed the first round as I was watching Froch Johnson but Chavez definitely deserved the win imo.
He had Zbik hurt on several occasions and was doing some great work to the body. Zbik started well but down the stretch I had Chavez clearly bossing the fight.
Good performance from him I thought. He struggled a bit early on against a surprisingly slivk opponenent but he kept his cool and worked the body and by the mid rounds was starting to take over the fight.
I thought he won by about 3 rounds, no controversy there at all imo.
We've gone thru this before...
Punch stats only show you numbers.
They don't tell you the entire story.
Also keep in mind punch stats is a person with a button.
Who has just seconds to decide wether the shot is good or no good.
I've said this before and I'll say it again the word "robbery" get's thrown around easily these days. A robbery is when a fighter clearly wins a fight. He clearly won more rounds and the rounds weren't even close.
Ask yourself did Zbik clearly win the fight.
He won everyround clearly? Or were the rounds close and could go either way?
For example Froch-Dirrell, really close rounds for me.
Some of them were hard to score not much action. Ultimately I think the fight could have gone either way. I have no issues with the decision.
Now take a fight like Santa Cruz-Casamayor. Now that is a robbery.
Evander-Lennox 1 now that is a robbery. Tiberi-Toney a full on robbery in broad daylight.
There's robberies and then theres close fights.
Well lets say we flip the punch stats and the flow of the fight...does Chavez win if he lands more, or Zbik?Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Close fight, definitely no robbery. I thought JCC jr won a close decision, but in now way did i think Zbik did enough for it to be called a robbery.
No
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Originally Posted by mickeyholmesWell lets say we flip the punch stats and the flow of the fight...does Chavez win if he lands more, or Zbik?Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Considering he was landing what looked like clearly more solid shots, yes. And yes anyway because Chavez was always going to get the benefit of the doubt with the judges.
But that's a different story. Regardless of whether or not he was going to get the benefit of the doubt, i don't think he really needed it. It was clear his shots were more consequential. Punch tracking is very overrated, there are landed punches and then there are landed punches.
I wanted Chavez Jr. to lose(noting my own bias) and my scoring still had him coming out on top. Zbik had success early but those body shots by Chavez Jr. did some damage.
Zbik did good early on but Jr's body shots clearly got to him, and IMO Chavez took the later rounds, i had him winning 7 rounds to 5, but IMO still Cotto, Martinez, and any of the top 10 guys pick him off, Chavez Jr could have some fun fights with Lee, Rubio, Lemiux, and Manfredo Jr
as much as i love cotto, i think jr beats him. 180 lbs fight night:oQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
It was a close fight in the end, but a fight of two halves. Zbik should really have tried to land his combos and then keep moving, staying so close all the time was silly. You don't stay in the trenches with a bigger guy and you don't ignore the body. Zbik threw about 2 body punches in the entire fight. Zbik clearly outlanded JCC Jr, but played into his opponents hands down the stretch.
Anyway, now Jr is a champ I want to see him fight the best in his division, he will get stomped on.
This just shows how championship belts don't really mean too much as it did back in the day.
Close fight, so it's not a robbery. Whittaker-Ramirez 1 and Whittaker-Chavez, now those are robberies.
If it was an amateur fight, Zbik would have clearly won, but it's the pros and he didn't.