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is everyone who has lost an unbeaten record a hype job?
at what point does someone stop being a hype job, as in how high up the ladder does someone have to go before a loss is acceptable
for example canelo just lost to mayweather and many times i have read on here that he is a hype job as shown by the defeat
yet he just lost to the best fighter in the world
if you are a popular fighter in the media, are you a hype job if you cant beat mayweather?
Here is a good hype job -
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oh come on Al. youre being too hard on the lad. his hero is: cut him some slack :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
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Canelo is a hype job if you're trying to goad certain American/Mexican posters. Every other boxing fan watched a young talented fighter get schooled by an all-time great. No disgrace in that.
Fury aint a hype job. The only people who think hes the best ever is himself and ross. Everyone else knows hes shitQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Michael Grant.
Jerk-offs like max kellerman were acting like this young prospect was already practically the Heavyweight Champ of the World. Doing it officially in the ring was just a matter-of-time, "These aren't your grand-father's Heavyweights."
No $#!t, max, 'cause Michael Grant for damn sure was no Joe Louis...
And Alvarez ain't a hypejob.
For $#!t's sake, people..
Boxing fans, for the most part, are complete shit heads. If you gain ANY kind of success, fame, ect in this sport, you can bet there are a ton of people just itching for you to fall from grace so they can shit on you.
If Canelo would have caught Floyd with a punch and knocked him out, you can bet there would be people on here saying "see! I told you Mayweather was overrated! He sucks it was just a matter of time until he fought a REAL opponent". People would be talking about Mayweather finally being exposed. One punch would have negated a 17 year career of beating everyone, including 15 years of being a world champion and fighting other champions.
Instead, we have people saying "ohh no Canelo sucked, he is a pure hype job, garbage, ect." I don't remember seeing anyone calling this a mismatch or a bullshit fight before hand, but after Floyd dominated him, now you have guys coming out of the woodworks saying "ohhh you all were stupid for believing canelo had a chance, it was a mismatch from the start."
Maybe Canelo is a good, solid fighter with fantastic skills and attributes, who just lost to a vastly superior fighter? Naaahh, everyone is either awesome or a bum. There's no middle ground :rolleyes:
Canelo is an excellent fighter. He clearly lost the fight. But he lost to the best fighter in the world and by no means was he embarrassed. He'll be back
Hype job is when a fighter was deliberately exposed to cab drivers in his own country to build up good stats. There is a good part in it, because, a fighter without serious amateur experience, builds his confidence in such fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
That sums up Wilder perfectlyQuote:
Originally Posted by NVSeminHype job is when a fighter was deliberately exposed to cab drivers in his own country to build up good stats. There is a good part in it, because, a fighter without serious amateur experience, builds his confidence in such fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
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Originally Posted by Bo-Bo24That sums up Wilder perfectlyQuote:
Originally Posted by NVSeminHype job is when a fighter was deliberately exposed to cab drivers in his own country to build up good stats. There is a good part in it, because, a fighter without serious amateur experience, builds his confidence in such fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Well, to be a bit controversial, a wins a win! The upcomer can do no better than win, its just a question of when he takes the big shot and against who. This has been the boxing way for years, where an o is ridiculously overvalued and 'defeated' fighters become targets for the new up and comers, dodgy judges and referees then hit the defeated fighter rather than the new boy.
Sad but true, as a consequence of the above we've had ridiculously over rated fighters with o's going for world titles, and those with minus 1's or 2's being shit on by promoter friendly refs and judges.
David Haye, through clever management and promoter selection avoided this problem, bloody good luck to him and well done Adam Booth!
Come on guys! Don't be so binary!
All fighters (and entertainers) are the products of a certain amount of hype.
Equally, TV and the Internet has meant that undeserved hype and media bullshit doesn't really wash much anymore.
Someone like Primo Carnera wouldn't have made the money (for someone anyway) that he did if he was fighting today. I remember Michael Olajide, or Pele Reid .... They were a bit overhyped but don't forget that boxing IS the hype game
Someone like Alvarez is most certainly not a hype job.
Not necessarily a hype job, the man beat Austin Trout and had a world title. But by no means was he the darling of the Mexican public that was made out to sell the fight. But thats the sort of hype that boxing is about like you sayQuote:
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The easy, simple way is to look only at the number of wins and losses.
The more correct, more involved way is to look at the quality of opponents in that record.
The line can be a little fine at times. I mean when you think about it, the sport today and how it is run essentially provides the stage for some of the real hype jobs to get away with it. However in this fickle environment a guy that was never a hype job gets labelled one because he loses a fight at or near the top. From my experience of being an avid fan for many years I find that in many cases if not most, it is power itself that is the hype job and once again the times we are in support it. Instant gratification. Some are addicted to the highlight reel. Some are bored by a boxing match so its best as fans that we be careful in using such a word along with many of its cousins. In many cases we also have the benefit of hindsight.
Fighter A is the favourite going into a scrap with Fighter B. Fighter A is expected to stop Fighter B because Fighter B is overrated or some might say a bit of a hype job. Not the fighter his record suggests. Fighter A is expected to knock Fighter B out because of his one shot power w/o even mentioning his pretty sound boxing skills for such a puncher. Fighter B then goes about to beat Fighter A. Not only does Fighter B beat Fighter A but he takes his best shots and drops Fighter A for the first time in his career on his way to winning a unanimous decision. Fighter A is then immediately reduced to overrated. So in essence and overrated fighter beat what some actually called an underrated fighter thereby making the underrated fighter overrated and the overrated fighter underrated.;D Had the once overrated now underrated fighter have lost lets say by ko he would have been a hype job.
Another term over used imo is the word "exposed". I don’t even no what it means anymore the way it’s thrown around and loosely used.