Lara/Alvarez scorecards thread
Having now watched the fight properly I have reached the following conclusions. My first observation is that Levi Martinez should be immediately arrested. 117-111 is an insane scorecard and apparently he reached that scorecard having given Lara the 12th, which if Lara did win that round, it was by far his least convincing won round. Levi Martinez, you really didn't see at least a number of rounds where Lara did actually outbox Canelo? You have a lot to answer for once you start to comedown from that Oscar powder kick you were on. Looking at the punchstats too, I think Canelo outlanded Lara in only 3 of the 12 rounds. Now admittedly, there were a lot of close rounds, but how on earth can you score 117-111 in a fight where the man you favour landed more in only 3 rounds? The man was clearly not awake and must be banned from all future fights. And so should Delahoya as I hate him and his orange faced creepiness. Overall I had Lara winning and the immediate avoidance of a rematch is a shameful move considering that Canelo lost the fight.
That's enough complaining. This is a scorecards thread, so please submit your scorecards and be as rude about promoters, Judges and fighters as you like. The following is my scorecard. It is a work of art, I know. You may agree, disagree, or ignore as you like. Thank you.
1. Lara
2. Lara
3. Lara
4. Canelo
5. Canelo
6. Canelo
7. Canelo
8. Lara
9. Lara
10. Lara
11. Lara
12. Canelo
Overall: 115-113 Lara
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The only wavering round for me was the 8th, but I gave it to Lara because he was doing what he wanted in terms of controlling the action (or lack of action). Canelo was following and winging a bit sloppily. The 12th I thought Canelo forced and won, but I think some of that came from questionable corner input for Lara. He was up and the corner pretty much told him so and so his caution along with Canelo's aggression having been told it was too close cost him the round. It was a better fight than I thought and there really should be a rematch. It was never going to be a barnburner, but a decent person should always give a rematch after a close fight.
Re: Lara/Alvarez scorecards thread
115-113 for Canelo. Very close fight. I can see how others scored a draw or close win for Lara
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Nothing funky at all about the decision, yeah you can say lara outlanded canelo in the majority of the rounds by like 2 punches, majority of lara's punches were jabs, canelo's were powerpunches and when they are only of by a few punches I tend to favor the guy landing powershots, don't put to much stock in em but here they are
Canelo-Lara - Compubox
Also media was split on who won 34 canelo, 30 lara, 25 had it a draw per @fightscorecolletor 's work www.boxingnewsonline.net/opinion-split-in-boxing-media-on-who-won-the-saul-canelo-alvarez-erislandy-lara-showdown/. Seriously that was a perfectly good decision and I had it a bit wider than most for canelo and as I said previously was not at all invested in the fight. Also I think lara forgets that he himself got an actualy shitty decision go his way against molina...
Also nobody seemingly seems to agree on which round belonged to which fighter with the exception of first few, hence you end up with a 117-111 score. The scores seem to have ranged from 117-113/116-112 Canelo to 116-112 Lara.
I had it 8-4 Canelo, giving lara 1 3 10 11
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I've no issues with a draw or a slight edge either way. My only issue is the wide card and team Canelo running away from a rematch in a fight half believe he lost. You just don't do that if you have any integrity.
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Gandalf
I've no issues with a draw or a slight edge either way. My only issue is the wide card and team Canelo running away from a rematch in a fight half believe he lost. You just don't do that if you have any integrity.
Depending on what you favor this is one of those fights where you can have it a lil wide for either fighter hence you have the four or 5 round range in the media scores, plenty of shit decisions and suspicious looking scores in boxing this is not one of them me thinks. Don't know what happened in the buildup as I didnt follow it at all but seems like Lara talked a lot of shit about Canelo so yeah If i was Canelo I wouldn't give him the chance at a rematch or big payday right away either. Half the people Do not believe he lost! Out of 84 scores thirty thought he lost which is much closer to a third than half!
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If you are going to paint it as you did it is just as easy to say only a third scored it for Canelo. Either way it was a close fight and ultimately 30% approval is a telling sign that you didn't win the fight too. That is why rematches happen. To settle it. Fighters say things before any fight and that is no justification for avoiding a rematch. On the basis of being unable to win, then Canelo too doesn't deserve a payday and moreso considering that the card that ultimately decided it was scored on the moon. People want to make excuses without facing up to simple facts. Canelo was outlanded, for long stretches couldn't fight his fight, and then wants to walk away from a rematch because his opponent needs to 'learn to fight?' Canelo is a bit like Chavez Jnr. It all gets given too easily and too many excuses are made. Take your rematch and win the fight. Even Mayweather rematches close fights immediately.
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Gandalf
If you are going to paint it as you did it is just as easy to say only a third scored it for Canelo. Either way it was a close fight and ultimately 30% approval is a telling sign that you didn't win the fight. Fighters say things before any fight and that is no justification for avoiding a rematch. On the basis of being unable to win, then Canelo too doesn't deserve a payday and moreso considering that the card that ultimately decided it was scored on the moon. People want to make excuses without facing up to simple facts. Canelo was outlanded, for long stretches couldn't fight his fight, and then wants to walk away from a rematch because his opponent needs to 'learn to fight?' Canelo is a bit like Chavez Jnr. It all gets given too easily and too many excuses are made. Take your rematch and win the fight. Even Mayweather rematches close fights immediately.
Where was this magical world where Canelo was outlanded for LONG stretches at a time , outlanded by 1 or 2 jabs a round a 10 punches total in fight isnt shit to me, if the punches are that close and one lands a significantly larger amount of power shots I'll tend to go with the guy landing the power shots. A third thought Canelo won, a third a draw, a third Lara hence no robbery or controvery in my mind even, I didnt paint it a certain way its MATH! I simply don't think there is any controversy in the result and not really invested in either fighter. also do you really want to see that fight again???
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Gandalf
I've no issues with a draw or a slight edge either way. My only issue is the wide card and team Canelo running away from a rematch in a fight half believe he lost. You just don't do that if you have any integrity.
Depending on what you favor this is one of those fights where you can have it a lil wide for either fighter hence you have the four or 5 round range in the media scores, plenty of shit decisions and suspicious looking scores in boxing this is not one of them me thinks. Don't know what happened in the buildup as I didnt follow it at all but seems like Lara talked a lot of shit about Canelo so yeah If i was Canelo I wouldn't give him the chance at a rematch or big payday right away either. Half the people Do not believe he lost! Out of 84 scores thirty thought he lost which is much closer to a third than half!
1)anyone that thinks it could be wide should stop scoring fights
2)30 of 84 doesn't account for those that thought it was a draw. How many had Canelo winning?
I had the number in my original post 34 had canelo, 30 lara the rest draw like 25
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Ron Swanson
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armin
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
I've no issues with a draw or a slight edge either way. My only issue is the wide card and team Canelo running away from a rematch in a fight half believe he lost. You just don't do that if you have any integrity.
Depending on what you favor this is one of those fights where you can have it a lil wide for either fighter hence you have the four or 5 round range in the media scores, plenty of shit decisions and suspicious looking scores in boxing this is not one of them me thinks. Don't know what happened in the buildup as I didnt follow it at all but seems like Lara talked a lot of shit about Canelo so yeah If i was Canelo I wouldn't give him the chance at a rematch or big payday right away either. Half the people Do not believe he lost! Out of 84 scores thirty thought he lost which is much closer to a third than half!
1)anyone that thinks it could be wide should stop scoring fights
2)30 of 84 doesn't account for those that thought it was a draw. How many had Canelo winning?
Easily possible to have it somewhat wide, I'm not talking 120 -108 but 116-112 , I can't find the link to the scorecard but there were two rounds the guys who had it 115-113 disagreed on, flip em and you have a four round margin.
Click the links provided at least about 10 people that had it 116-112 either way
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armin
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
If you are going to paint it as you did it is just as easy to say only a third scored it for Canelo. Either way it was a close fight and ultimately 30% approval is a telling sign that you didn't win the fight. Fighters say things before any fight and that is no justification for avoiding a rematch. On the basis of being unable to win, then Canelo too doesn't deserve a payday and moreso considering that the card that ultimately decided it was scored on the moon. People want to make excuses without facing up to simple facts. Canelo was outlanded, for long stretches couldn't fight his fight, and then wants to walk away from a rematch because his opponent needs to 'learn to fight?' Canelo is a bit like Chavez Jnr. It all gets given too easily and too many excuses are made. Take your rematch and win the fight. Even Mayweather rematches close fights immediately.
Where was this magical world where Canelo was outlanded for LONG stretches at a time , outlanded by 1 or 2 jabs a round a 10 punches total in fight isnt shit to me, if the punches are that close and one lands a significantly larger amount of power shots I'll tend to go with the guy landing the power shots. A third thought Canelo won, a third a draw, a third Lara hence no robbery or controvery in my mind even, I didnt paint it a certain way its MATH! I simply don't think there is any controversy in the result and not really invested in either fighter. also do you really want to see that fight again???
Canelo outlanded Lara in 3 rounds only. He clearly controlled very little except for that middle period where he did appear to be doing better. Overall Lara controlled the pace of the fight and clearly outlanded Alvarez thus scoring rounds. Using your math, you have a close fight with many thinking it a draw. When a fight is neck and neck it is correct to have a another one to see if the fighters can draw some distance or settle it. Using prefight disrespect as a justification for avoiding a rematch in a neck and neck fight is simply not a very good observation. It is a distraction.
It wasn't a terribly exciting fight, but I don't think Mayweather fights are either. Still, at least that man gives rematches after his close fights. Martinez/Williams.....rematch! Taylor/Hopkins....rematch! It's about doing the right thing.
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To be honest i felt Canelo landing the more powerful shots out way a few more jabs landing. I don't think it is controlling the ring when you run to other side of it to be honest. So if 35 thought Canelo won 30 thought Lara won and 25 thought it was a draw then i am ok with no rematch. I mean do people want to see another fight like that is there any money at all in it will people bother buying ppv again i think not. Canelo has fought and beat some good names and has ducked no one i do not think he is JCC jr at all. The kid is like 23 or 24 years of age and already fought some pretty tough comp and has done well. I can not grasp the hate he gets when most were saying he would not fight lara so much for that right. I not really interested in another fight were there were fucking no dominated rounds would like see Cotto vs Canelo at least get my money worth out of watching them fight.
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I give up and am removing myself from this thread didnt realize that landing ten jabs more overall in a fight is better than being outlanded in powershots by like 25 or whatever it was.
