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Deontay Wilder v Robert Helenius 15th October 2022
Promoter Frank Warren says Deontay ‘Bronze Bomber’ Wilder (42-2-1, 41 KOs) will return to action in October against heavyweight Robert ‘The Nordic Nightmare’ Helenius (31-3, 20 KOs) in the States.
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This would be the first action for former WBC champion Wilder, 36, since his loss to Tyson ‘The Gypsy King’ Wilder last October. After that loss, Wilder said he wanted to consider whether to continue his career.
It looks like Wilder has decided to continue, which is good because he can make massive money fighting Anthony Joshua or Oleksander Usyk
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Re: Robert Helenius vs deontay Wilder possible October
Helenius isn’t the type of fighter you would typically want to face if you’re coming off a knockout loss like the one Wilder suffered against Fury.
I am going with my boy Robert.
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Re: Robert Helenius vs deontay Wilder possible October
For Wilder to be taking on the powerful 6’6″ Finnish heavyweight Helenius in his next fight, he wants to send a message that he wants to fight the winner of the Oleksandr Usyk vs. Anthony Joshua II rematch.
There’s a lot of risk for Deontay to be fighting Helenius, as he’s looked good in his last three fights, beating Adam Kownacki twice and Mateus Roberto Osorio by knockout.
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Re: Robert Helenius vs deontay Wilder possible October
Wilder needs a highlight reel knockout of Helenius to put himself in the equation to fight the Joshua vs. Usyk II winner.
If Wilder can destroy Helenius in the first half of the fight, it would show the boxing world that he’s back and not the depleted fighter we saw lose twice to Fury.
I think Robert's straight punches will beat Wilder to the punch as he throws those windmill looping shots at times which take longer to land.
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Good to see Wilder back. I never rated him but his last effort against Fury showed he is one of the best heavyweights out there.
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Master
Good to see Wilder back. I never rated him but his last effort against Fury showed he is one of the best heavyweights out there.
So true. Odd how he gained more respect from a lot of people with his last fight with Fury than when he was KO'ing everybody with windmills.
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HEAVYWEIGHT Robert Helenius has claimed he will take legal action if he is not granted a shot at the winner of the rematch between Oleksandr Usyk and Anthony Joshua.
Usyk will defend his IBF, WBA and WBO belts against AJ in Saudi Arabia on August 20 - 11 months after the Ukrainian clinched a unanimous decision victory at the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium.
Regardless of who comes out on top next month, the winner will have mandatory challengers lining up to face them.
Joe Joyce is the No1 contender in the WBO, with Helenius in the same position with the WBA.
And, if Usyk or AJ are not willing to vacate the belts, they will be forced to face both Joyce and Helenius in the near-future.
The Finnish fighter, who has a professional record of 31-3, recently stopped Adam Kownacki twice with impressive performances.
Helenius' defeats have come to Johann Duhaupas, Dillian Whyte and Gerald Washington.
But he is adamant he will secure his world title fight by whatever means necessary.
Speaking to Sky Sports, he said: "I am rightfully the WBA mandatory, so of course I am interested in the Usyk vs Joshua winner."
He then continued: "I definitely should be next. Every elimination bout after mine is bulls***.
"At this point, if we are not designated the mandatory after Usyk’s next fight, we will only have one option.
"My lawyers are very confident that the WBA have bungled this whole thing, so I am confident in my position."
Aside from the winner of Usyk-Joshua II, Helenius has also been linked with a fight against knockout artist Deontay Wilder.
The hard-hitting American has not yet returned to action following his second successive loss to Tyson Fury in October of last year.
But promoter Frank Warren revealed earlier this month that he has heard Wilder and Helenius are expected to fight in October.
And while the Finn has not specifically talked up a clash with the former WBC champion, he has hinted that a huge fight is on the horizon.
"For now I will just stay focused on training and see how Usyk vs Joshua and my WBA situation plays out," he added.
"But I remain in a great position for something very big in the coming months for sure."
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/19253...leksandr-usyk/
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Re: Robert Helenius vs deontay Wilder possible October
It'll be interesting to see what Wilder has left. Most likely scenario is Fury beats the winner of the Saudi fight so what then if Wilder beats Helenius? Fury isn't going to be interested in a fourth fight surely.
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Helenius has a kind of killer instinct inside and it is terrifying
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NoSavingByTheBell
Helenius has a kind of killer instinct inside and it is terrifying
Helenius is poor compared to Joyce who would wipe him out. Rightfully they should fight one another for a title shot but instead will wait for what happens after AJ v Usyk and take up the vacant titles for an easier fight.
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Master
Good to see Wilder back. I never rated him but his last effort against Fury showed he is one of the best heavyweights out there.
If you put Wilder up there because of that fight then you need to put Wallin up there for going the distance. Fury went into his shell a bit after the cut also.
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Master
Good to see Wilder back. I never rated him but his last effort against Fury showed he is one of the best heavyweights out there.
If you put Wilder up there because of that fight then you need to put Wallin up there for going the distance. Fury went into his shell a bit after the cut also.
Wilder has a better record than Wallin and his wins over Ortiz ensure he is a top rated fighter. I think the version of Wilder that lost the last fight to Fury would probably beat AJ and Whyte. Maybe even Usyk.
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Thing is The Gypsy Mauler may have bled out all the energy left in Wilder's battered body and head. Like Frazier after Foreman, he wont be the same.
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Master
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Vendettos
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Master
Good to see Wilder back. I never rated him but his last effort against Fury showed he is one of the best heavyweights out there.
If you put Wilder up there because of that fight then you need to put Wallin up there for going the distance. Fury went into his shell a bit after the cut also.
Wilder has a better record than Wallin and his wins over Ortiz ensure he is a top rated fighter. I think the version of Wilder that lost the last fight to Fury would probably beat AJ and Whyte.
Maybe even Usyk.
I agree with Whyte
50/50 on AJ, it’s just whoever lands first
I don’t think he lands a shot on Usyk.
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Master
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Vendettos
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Master
Good to see Wilder back. I never rated him but his last effort against Fury showed he is one of the best heavyweights out there.
If you put Wilder up there because of that fight then you need to put Wallin up there for going the distance. Fury went into his shell a bit after the cut also.
Wilder has a better record than Wallin and his wins over Ortiz ensure he is a top rated fighter. I think the version of Wilder that lost the last fight to Fury would probably beat AJ and Whyte.
Maybe even Usyk.
I must be missing something. In the last Fury v Wilder fight, Wilder got beat up and knocked out by a guy who , for all his attributes isn’t the type of Boxer who beats up knocks out people.
He might beat Whyte, neither of them have covered themselves in glory last time out.
I don’t think he beats AJ , and he has no chance against Usyk. Sorry , he’s got a one in a million haymaker’s chance .
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"the version of Wilder that showed up that night in Fury-Wilder 3" was a beast. He outdid himself in that performance and it was a performance for the ages. Gutsy til the bitter end. THAT Wilder would beat AJ but I gotta agree, he would NOT beat Usyk.
Plus Helenius smokes 'em all :lol::lol::lol:
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Helenius is not in the same class as the other top fighters mentioned. He has been stopped twice by mediocre fighters and beaten by Whyte.
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I know but still rooting for him
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Primo Carnera
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Master
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Vendettos
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Master
Good to see Wilder back. I never rated him but his last effort against Fury showed he is one of the best heavyweights out there.
If you put Wilder up there because of that fight then you need to put Wallin up there for going the distance. Fury went into his shell a bit after the cut also.
Wilder has a better record than Wallin and his wins over Ortiz ensure he is a top rated fighter. I think the version of Wilder that lost the last fight to Fury would probably beat AJ and Whyte.
Maybe even Usyk.
I must be missing something. In the last Fury v Wilder fight, Wilder got beat up and knocked out by a guy who , for all his attributes isn’t the type of Boxer who beats up knocks out people.
He might beat Whyte, neither of them have covered themselves in glory last time out.
I don’t think he beats AJ , and he has no chance against Usyk. Sorry , he’s got a one in a million haymaker’s chance .
deontay is terrible. his power is his only saving grace. deontay was done after two rounds of the last tyson fight. it just shows how bad tyson is to get caught by those punches. deontay might beat dillian & aj but he wouldn't touch oleksandr. there's a reason tyson is currently retired & if oleksandr beats aj again we won't ever see oleksandr v tyson
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Wilder gets beaten badly by Usyk, but beats Helenius. Against AJ I'd call it 50/50.
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The Wilder that fought Fury for the third time was his best version, the first may have underestimated Fury, the second was too light the third was heavier, stronger and almost possessed to beat Tyson. That version may never be seen again and he could be damaged goods now but if he can get back to that level again then he could be the best of the rest. He certainly put up a better effort than Whyte did.
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Master
The Wilder that fought Fury for the third time was his best version, the first may have underestimated Fury, the second was too light the third was heavier, stronger and almost possessed to beat Tyson. That version may never be seen again and he could be damaged goods now but if he can get back to that level again then he could be the best of the rest. He certainly put up a better effort than Whyte did.
Are you for real? Just think about it. We’re taking about a guy who had been champion for YEARS, defending his title about a dozen times, and the “best version” of him got beat up and knocked out by Fury mid rounds.
Shows how shit he is really. Come on, has April fools day come early or has hype reached new heights?
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“Fury battering Wilder in the 8th and he can barely stand. His legs are nearly gone.
6-2
Fury knocks down an exhausted Wilder in the 10th with a big right hand but fights back hard at the end of the ound. True heart.
8-2 Fury”
I wonder whose comments these were on the RBR?
And this is “THE BEST VERSION” of Wilder?
Just because he “showed heart”
He got battered, put on his ass 4 times , could hardly stand up when Fury blew his house down. And according to you , @Master, at the time of the KO , he was down 8 ROUNDS TO 2 !! :rolleyes:
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I get all the hate for Wilder. He's got poor boxing technique... fed off a bunch of carcasses on the way to the top... and has exhibited poor judgment in the things he says.
But the fact remains that he got beat by an undefeated fighter who was taller and heavier than him. Something Wilder had not encountered before and probably never will again.
Fury can also box circles around most of the other boxers that Wilder could foreseeably be matched against. (I still say people take it for granted Deontay would lose to AJ when in actuality it's more of a 50/50 fight).
There's no telling how Wilder will emerge from the beatings he took. That's anybody's guess.
But if his head is on right... I'd bet on Wilder to sweep the floor with most of the mediocre contenders out there.
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Re: Robert Helenius vs deontay Wilder possible October
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Originally Posted by
Master
The Wilder that fought Fury for the third time was his best version, the first may have underestimated Fury, the second was too light the third was heavier, stronger and almost possessed to beat Tyson. That version may never be seen again and he could be damaged goods now but if he can get back to that level again then he could be the best of the rest. He certainly put up a better effort than Whyte did.
deontay couldn't beat tyson in the first fight, that was his best opportunity for where tyson was at. deontay lost almost every round he didn't score a knockdown. deontay was beat up in the second & third. taking a prolonged beating in the third fight doesn't make it deontay's best version. it is exactly what would have happened in the second fight if deontay wasn't saved. dillian has always been shit
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TitoFan
I get all the hate for Wilder. He's got poor boxing technique... fed off a bunch of carcasses on the way to the top... and has exhibited poor judgment in the things he says.
But the fact remains that he got beat by an undefeated fighter who was taller and heavier than him. Something Wilder had not encountered before and probably never will again.
Fury can also box circles around most of the other boxers that Wilder could foreseeably be matched against. (I still say people take it for granted Deontay would lose to AJ when in actuality it's more of a 50/50 fight).
There's no telling how Wilder will emerge from the beatings he took. That's anybody's guess.
But if his head is on right... I'd bet on Wilder to sweep the floor with most of the mediocre contenders out there.
i'd have it eighty twenty for aj over deontay, maybe more. & i think aj is basic
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TIC
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TitoFan
I get all the hate for Wilder. He's got poor boxing technique... fed off a bunch of carcasses on the way to the top... and has exhibited poor judgment in the things he says.
But the fact remains that he got beat by an undefeated fighter who was taller and heavier than him. Something Wilder had not encountered before and probably never will again.
Fury can also box circles around most of the other boxers that Wilder could foreseeably be matched against. (I still say people take it for granted Deontay would lose to AJ when in actuality it's more of a 50/50 fight).
There's no telling how Wilder will emerge from the beatings he took. That's anybody's guess.
But if his head is on right... I'd bet on Wilder to sweep the floor with most of the mediocre contenders out there.
i'd have it eighty twenty for aj over deontay, maybe more. & i think aj is basic
I'd take that bet.
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I don't see Helenius stopping Wilder... and I don't see Helenius getting up from a Wilder bomb.
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Primo Carnera
“Fury battering Wilder in the 8th and he can barely stand. His legs are nearly gone.
6-2
Fury knocks down an exhausted Wilder in the 10th with a big right hand but fights back hard at the end of the ound. True heart.
8-2 Fury”
I wonder whose comments these were on the RBR?
And this is “THE BEST VERSION” of Wilder?
Just because he “showed heart”
He got battered, put on his ass 4 times , could hardly stand up when Fury blew his house down. And according to you , @
Master, at the time of the KO , he was down 8 ROUNDS TO 2 !! :rolleyes:
Fury is that good, he would do the same against any of the heavyweights today. I could not see AJ giving Fury as much trouble or resistance.
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
“Fury battering Wilder in the 8th and he can barely stand. His legs are nearly gone.
6-2
Fury knocks down an exhausted Wilder in the 10th with a big right hand but fights back hard at the end of the ound. True heart.
8-2 Fury”
I wonder whose comments these were on the RBR?
And this is “THE BEST VERSION” of Wilder?
Just because he “showed heart”
He got battered, put on his ass 4 times , could hardly stand up when Fury blew his house down. And according to you , @
Master, at the time of the KO , he was down 8 ROUNDS TO 2 !! :rolleyes:
Fury is that good, he would do the same against any of the heavyweights today. I could not see AJ giving Fury as much trouble or resistance.
Usyk??
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
“Fury battering Wilder in the 8th and he can barely stand. His legs are nearly gone.
6-2
Fury knocks down an exhausted Wilder in the 10th with a big right hand but fights back hard at the end of the ound. True heart.
8-2 Fury”
I wonder whose comments these were on the RBR?
And this is “THE BEST VERSION” of Wilder?
Just because he “showed heart”
He got battered, put on his ass 4 times , could hardly stand up when Fury blew his house down. And according to you , @
Master, at the time of the KO , he was down 8 ROUNDS TO 2 !! :rolleyes:
Fury is that good, he would do the same against any of the heavyweights today. I could not see AJ giving Fury as much trouble or resistance.
Usyk??
Question marks are right when you type Usyk. He was given hell by Chisora early on in the fight and Fury would do the same but far better.
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Wow! I am speechless. Out of curiosity, where do you put Fury in the all time list?
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Primo Carnera
“Fury battering Wilder in the 8th and he can barely stand. His legs are nearly gone.
6-2
Fury knocks down an exhausted Wilder in the 10th with a big right hand but fights back hard at the end of the ound. True heart.
8-2 Fury”
I wonder whose comments these were on the RBR?
And this is “THE BEST VERSION” of Wilder?
Just because he “showed heart”
He got battered, put on his ass 4 times , could hardly stand up when Fury blew his house down. And according to you , @
Master, at the time of the KO , he was down 8 ROUNDS TO 2 !! :rolleyes:
Fury is that good, he would do the same against any of the heavyweights today. I could not see AJ giving Fury as much trouble or resistance.
Usyk??
Question marks are right when you type Usyk. He was given hell by Chisora early on in the fight and Fury would do the same but far better.
Spot on. Chisora really smashed the hips and arms of Uzyk. Smashed and roughed him up well. All's Uzyk can do is run like little bitc*. All night long, run away little girl. Chisora switched southpaw well and smashed right hands well into jaw of Uzyk. Constant pressure. 115-113 on 2 judges cards. I scored it 114-114
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If AJ beats Usyk, Fury will fight AJ.
If Usyk beats AJ, Fury either stays retired or it wouldn’t surprise me if he STILL Fought AJ!!
Basically, Fury thinks he beats AJ. But he doesn’t think he beats Usyk.
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Primo Carnera
If AJ beats Usyk, Fury will fight AJ.
If Usyk beats AJ, Fury either stays retired or it wouldn’t surprise me if he STILL Fought AJ!!
Basically, Fury thinks he beats AJ. But he doesn’t think he beats Usyk.
Take what Fury says with a pinch of salt. He wants to be undisputed champion and if Usyk wins Fury will face him. Fury is too big for Usyk and he will use that size to his advantage.
Fury is nowhere on the ATG heavyweight list until he becomes the best of his generation, undisputed and defends the title more times.
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i hope an injury or something doesn't postponed-cancel the oleksandr v aj fight
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this is a good rebuilding fight for deontay, robert brings enough momentum to present a perceived risk
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i'd could see the wba putting deontay back in their rankings so they could make the fight with robert a final eliminator
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From Hell Helenius blows doors off Beyonce