Deontay Wilder v Robert Helenius 15th October 2022

[Master]

Good to see Wilder back. I never rated him but his last effort against Fury showed he is one of the best heavyweights out there.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

Good to see Wilder back. I never rated him but his last effort against Fury showed he is one of the best heavyweights out there.

So true. Odd how he gained more respect from a lot of people with his last fight with Fury than when he was KO'ing everybody with windmills.

[Master]

HEAVYWEIGHT Robert Helenius has claimed he will take legal action if he is not granted a shot at the winner of the rematch between Oleksandr Usyk and Anthony Joshua.

Usyk will defend his IBF, WBA and WBO belts against AJ in Saudi Arabia on August 20 - 11 months after the Ukrainian clinched a unanimous decision victory at the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium.

Regardless of who comes out on top next month, the winner will have mandatory challengers lining up to face them.

Joe Joyce is the No1 contender in the WBO, with Helenius in the same position with the WBA.

And, if Usyk or AJ are not willing to vacate the belts, they will be forced to face both Joyce and Helenius in the near-future.

The Finnish fighter, who has a professional record of 31-3, recently stopped Adam Kownacki twice with impressive performances.

Helenius' defeats have come to Johann Duhaupas, Dillian Whyte and Gerald Washington.

But he is adamant he will secure his world title fight by whatever means necessary.

Speaking to Sky Sports, he said: "I am rightfully the WBA mandatory, so of course I am interested in the Usyk vs Joshua winner."

He then continued: "I definitely should be next. Every elimination bout after mine is bulls***.

"At this point, if we are not designated the mandatory after Usyk’s next fight, we will only have one option.

"My lawyers are very confident that the WBA have bungled this whole thing, so I am confident in my position."

Aside from the winner of Usyk-Joshua II, Helenius has also been linked with a fight against knockout artist Deontay Wilder.

The hard-hitting American has not yet returned to action following his second successive loss to Tyson Fury in October of last year.

But promoter Frank Warren revealed earlier this month that he has heard Wilder and Helenius are expected to fight in October.

And while the Finn has not specifically talked up a clash with the former WBC champion, he has hinted that a huge fight is on the horizon.

"For now I will just stay focused on training and see how Usyk vs Joshua and my WBA situation plays out," he added.

"But I remain in a great position for something very big in the coming months for sure."

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/19253...leksandr-usyk/

[Kirkland Laing]

It'll be interesting to see what Wilder has left. Most likely scenario is Fury beats the winner of the Saudi fight so what then if Wilder beats Helenius? Fury isn't going to be interested in a fourth fight surely.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

Helenius has a kind of killer instinct inside and it is terrifying

[Master]

Helenius has a kind of killer instinct inside and it is terrifying

Helenius is poor compared to Joyce who would wipe him out. Rightfully they should fight one another for a title shot but instead will wait for what happens after AJ v Usyk and take up the vacant titles for an easier fight.

[Vendettos]

Good to see Wilder back. I never rated him but his last effort against Fury showed he is one of the best heavyweights out there.

If you put Wilder up there because of that fight then you need to put Wallin up there for going the distance. Fury went into his shell a bit after the cut also.

[Master]

Good to see Wilder back. I never rated him but his last effort against Fury showed he is one of the best heavyweights out there.

If you put Wilder up there because of that fight then you need to put Wallin up there for going the distance. Fury went into his shell a bit after the cut also.

Wilder has a better record than Wallin and his wins over Ortiz ensure he is a top rated fighter. I think the version of Wilder that lost the last fight to Fury would probably beat AJ and Whyte. Maybe even Usyk.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

Thing is The Gypsy Mauler may have bled out all the energy left in Wilder's battered body and head. Like Frazier after Foreman, he wont be the same.

[Vendettos]

Good to see Wilder back. I never rated him but his last effort against Fury showed he is one of the best heavyweights out there.

If you put Wilder up there because of that fight then you need to put Wallin up there for going the distance. Fury went into his shell a bit after the cut also.

Wilder has a better record than Wallin and his wins over Ortiz ensure he is a top rated fighter. I think the version of Wilder that lost the last fight to Fury would probably beat AJ and Whyte. Maybe even Usyk.

I agree with Whyte
50/50 on AJ, it’s just whoever lands first
I don’t think he lands a shot on Usyk.

[Primo Carnera]

Good to see Wilder back. I never rated him but his last effort against Fury showed he is one of the best heavyweights out there.

If you put Wilder up there because of that fight then you need to put Wallin up there for going the distance. Fury went into his shell a bit after the cut also.

Wilder has a better record than Wallin and his wins over Ortiz ensure he is a top rated fighter. I think the version of Wilder that lost the last fight to Fury would probably beat AJ and Whyte. Maybe even Usyk.

I must be missing something. In the last Fury v Wilder fight, Wilder got beat up and knocked out by a guy who , for all his attributes isn’t the type of Boxer who beats up knocks out people.
He might beat Whyte, neither of them have covered themselves in glory last time out.
I don’t think he beats AJ , and he has no chance against Usyk. Sorry , he’s got a one in a million haymaker’s chance .

[NoSavingByTheBell]

"the version of Wilder that showed up that night in Fury-Wilder 3" was a beast. He outdid himself in that performance and it was a performance for the ages. Gutsy til the bitter end. THAT Wilder would beat AJ but I gotta agree, he would NOT beat Usyk.

Plus Helenius smokes 'em all

[Master]

Helenius is not in the same class as the other top fighters mentioned. He has been stopped twice by mediocre fighters and beaten by Whyte.

[NoSavingByTheBell]

I know but still rooting for him

[TIC]

Good to see Wilder back. I never rated him but his last effort against Fury showed he is one of the best heavyweights out there.

If you put Wilder up there because of that fight then you need to put Wallin up there for going the distance. Fury went into his shell a bit after the cut also.

Wilder has a better record than Wallin and his wins over Ortiz ensure he is a top rated fighter. I think the version of Wilder that lost the last fight to Fury would probably beat AJ and Whyte. Maybe even Usyk.

I must be missing something. In the last Fury v Wilder fight, Wilder got beat up and knocked out by a guy who , for all his attributes isn’t the type of Boxer who beats up knocks out people.
He might beat Whyte, neither of them have covered themselves in glory last time out.
I don’t think he beats AJ , and he has no chance against Usyk. Sorry , he’s got a one in a million haymaker’s chance .

deontay is terrible. his power is his only saving grace. deontay was done after two rounds of the last tyson fight. it just shows how bad tyson is to get caught by those punches. deontay might beat dillian & aj but he wouldn't touch oleksandr. there's a reason tyson is currently retired & if oleksandr beats aj again we won't ever see oleksandr v tyson