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Wilder v Fury 2 - Las Vegas
Loads of rumours flying around that the rematch is close to being signed and Vegas is the place with the fight likely to be April or May.
"We're trying to make that fight at the moment, everyone wants the fight and most importantly the fighters want it," he (Warren) told ESPN.
"The venue is looking like the U.S., that's where the money is. Tyson was disappointed with the judging with the last fight, as I was, so a lot of things need to be sorted but the U.S. is where they want it, probably in the second quarter.
"Vegas would be one of the options. I wouldn't want to go back to California, I didn't like working with the Californian commission and there were a lot of things we didn't like there.
Compatriot Anthony Joshua is the undefeated holder of the WBA, IBF, WBO and IBO heavyweight belts and a unification bout with Wilder would be a blockbuster draw.
Warren indicated that Joshua’s promoter Eddie Hearn was in no hurry for that to happen, however.
“We’re not complicated, Tyson is the most uncomplicated person you will meet, and he will fight anyone. He went to Germany to fight Wladimir Klitschko and he went to America to fight Wilder.
“It’s Barry and Eddie Hearn’s agenda that complicates it. Joshua is their cash cow and they want to keep milking it,” he said of the prospects of a Fury-Joshua fight.
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Now that Fury is enjoying training and taking it/ himself seriously, he’s beginning to grow on me. I really hope he beats Wilder and think that if he stays focussed he will!
How absolutely nuts is it that if he beats Wilder, the Fury/AJ Fight could financially be the biggest HW Fight of all time and maybe the biggest fight of all time (maybe 2nd biggest.)
Crazy World we live in.
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I think a rematch is a good idea. I'd like to see what adjustments each can bring into it.
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Indeed, both can make adjustments, Tysons body can recover from all that weight loss, ring rust shaken off.
Wilder knows more about himself in a 12 round fight and can come up with counters to what Tyson does.
Tyson can make better adjustments and soak up punishment, does that seem fair? If so, I'm wondering if he'll actually take Wilder out this time.
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I do agree with what Freddie Roach said which is that Fury needs to be more agressive and stay on Wilder for longer periods when he backs him up.
Fury lacks that real KO power though so it remains to be seen if he can actually put Wilder on his ass.
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smashup
I do agree with what Freddie Roach said which is that Fury needs to be more agressive and stay on Wilder for longer periods when he backs him up.
Fury lacks that real KO power though so it remains to be seen if he can actually put Wilder on his ass.
Bodywork. Hooks. Nobody is immune to repeated well placed punches from a lump like Fury, even if he doesnt have one shot power. Use Hatton while he is as part of the team. Drop Wilder with a liver shot and things get very interesting.
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Now that Fury is enjoying training and taking it/ himself seriously, he’s beginning to grow on me. I really hope he beats Wilder and think that if he stays focussed he will!
How absolutely nuts is it that if he beats Wilder, the Fury/AJ Fight could financially be the biggest HW Fight of all time and maybe the biggest fight of all time (maybe 2nd biggest.)
Crazy World we live in.
I think AJ v Fury will not be made because the two camps hate each other too much and will prevent the fight from happening.
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Re: Wilder v Fury 2 - Las Vegas
More bodywork.... staying closer to Wilder. All sound like good strategies for Fury to take into the ring against Wilder. He'll certainly come up with something to avoid the bombs like the one that almost put him out in the last round of their first fight. Unfortunately, those strategies might work toward making the fight a bit duller than the first one. I'd hate to see a repeat of Fury-Wlad, or a hugfest with Fury draping his bigger body on Wilder and smothering him for 12 rounds. I thought their first fight was excellent and, coupled with the AJ-Wlad fight, it breathed some much needed life back into the heavyweight division.
Now.... what adjustments specifically is Wilder going to make? The guy might have a bad rap for being a lousy boxer, but he must surely be able to make adjustments to deal with Fury a second time around. As opposed to most on here, I thought Wilder acquitted himself fairly well in the first half of the fight. He made Fury miss many of his jabs, while himself throwing some good jabs. It wasn't the 12-round Fury dominance a few here thought it was. So I'd build off that. In the second half of the fight Fury clearly dominated. Wilder seemed to tire a bit..... I'd look at that. Stamina is more of an issue for Wilder than the weight itself. A few pounds north or south aren't going to make much difference in terms of Wilder's punching power. He needs to train appropriately so as to not gas toward the end, especially if Fury decides to stay close and use his bigger body. Also, it may be trying to teach an old dog new tricks but... I'd work a bit on Wilder's footwork. If Fury does decide to use his body weight advantage, Wilder would be well served to try and spin off Fury and get better angles to shoot his lethal right hand.
Anyway, I'm glad they're close to making the rematch happen, and even happier it'll be in Vegas. No other Stateside venue is worthy of Wilder-Fury II.
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I can see Fury getting banged out this time, Wilder knows he can hurt him anytime and so does Fury, if Fury did come out more agressive i think that suits Wilder more, be interesting to see if Wilder has a plan B instead of just punching thin air all night.
So many many ways this can pan out and this rematch will be huge globally doing big numbers.
Brilliant clash of styles.
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Boxing World Erupts After The WBC Officially Orders Wilder vs Fury Rematch
https://www.boxingnewsandviews.com/2...-fury-rematch/
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I'm not a fan of the WBC, but good on them for ordering the rematch. Joshua can sit and wait for the rematch along with everyone else.
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The deck will be stacked against Tyson Fury in Las Vegas, and even more so since he showed in the last fight he's much better than Wilder.
Las Vegas is notorious from dodgy referees who protect American boxers and permit them to foul (Weeks, Bayliss, Cortez) and corrupt judges (the three who worked Kovalev-Ward I).
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I'm not. A rematch that huge needs a huge venue. Nothing bigger in the U.S. than Vegas. Relax guys..... it's not Canelo fighting, so we should be ok. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think Fury will get a fair shake. All he needs to do is totally dominate the fight, and he's home free. Contrary to popular opinion, he only won a little over half the fight last time out, all of which was negated by the two 10-8 rounds he suffered.
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Eddie Hearns gonna bid massively for this (if it goes to Purse bids) and highjack the whole show using his DAZN pocket money.
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EVEN SPLIT Eddie Hearn tells Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury how to get 50/50 split against Anthony Joshua, plans to bid for rematch
The promoter is eyeing up a sensational move to secure their second fight for US streaming platform DAZN
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/4...a-bid-rematch/
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TitoFan
I'm not. A rematch that huge needs a huge venue. Nothing bigger in the U.S. than Vegas. Relax guys..... it's not Canelo fighting, so we should be ok. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think Fury will get a fair shake. All he needs to do is totally dominate the fight, and he's home free. Contrary to popular opinion, he only won a little over half the fight last time out, all of which was negated by the two 10-8 rounds he suffered.
Thanks for your post, which with all due respect is total bollox. The only rounds that Wilder won were two 10-8s.
There is now a queue in Europe (and everywhere else) to get a reasonable heavyweight against Wilder, the unjust title holder. Both Fury and Joshua know they will beat him, but the money comes in, if Joshua beats him first its a money fest for all, Fury fights Joshua, biggest money fight on the planet and then they can share the spoils with Wilder rematches, Wilder then moves on to get beat by Dillyan White and Derek Chisora, then retires, or maybe David Price has a pop?
AS for judges the same shit cannot possibly happen again with another 3 Europeans sitting their capable of beating this hype job, another dodgy result would mean a segregation of US/European boxing, may not be a bad thing
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nuggetdotcom
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TitoFan
I'm not. A rematch that huge needs a huge venue. Nothing bigger in the U.S. than Vegas. Relax guys..... it's not Canelo fighting, so we should be ok. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think Fury will get a fair shake. All he needs to do is totally dominate the fight, and he's home free. Contrary to popular opinion, he only won a little over half the fight last time out, all of which was negated by the two 10-8 rounds he suffered.
Thanks for your post, which with all due respect is total bollox.
The only rounds that Wilder won were two 10-8s.
There is now a queue in Europe (and everywhere else) to get a reasonable heavyweight against Wilder, the unjust title holder. Both Fury and Joshua know they will beat him, but the money comes in, if Joshua beats him first its a money fest for all, Fury fights Joshua, biggest money fight on the planet and then they can share the spoils with Wilder rematches, Wilder then moves on to get beat by Dillyan White and Derek Chisora, then retires, or maybe David Price has a pop?
AS for judges the same shit cannot possibly happen again with another 3 Europeans sitting their capable of beating this hype job, another dodgy result would mean a segregation of US/European boxing, may not be a bad thing
The ONLY two rounds?? Isn't that kind of biased? Did you watch the fight again, by any chance? I did, with the sound off. The first few rounds... how can you unequivocally give them to Fury just like that? Do you not agree he was missing almost all of his jabs? I know you know this, but you don't get points for missed punches... only for landed ones. Don't mean to sound snotty there BTW, just telling you how I saw it. IMHO, to say Wilder ONLY won the two 10-8 rounds is being grossly biased in favor of Fury. I can see people thinking Fury won the fight, it was that close. Also Fury clearly won the last half of the fight, save for the 10-8 rounds.
I came away from the fight thinking better about the both of them. Fury because he surprised the hell out of me, coming back from such a long and self-destructive layoff like that....... and Wilder because for being a "shit boxer", he did pretty well for himself at least over the first few rounds. Which is why I'd loooove to see a rematch, which looks like it's gonna happen.
Still..... don't blame you for being biased. Been there done that with my own favs. ;D ;D
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You know I had it 10-2 to Fury too. Yes Fury was missing a lot and I have not watched it again.
Fury dictated the fight to his pace which is an art.
I do not think I was bias towards Fury and I am sure if I watch it again I may give more rounds to Wilder but not enough for him to win.
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You know I had it 10-2 to Fury too. Yes Fury was missing a lot and I have not watched it again.
Fury dictated the fight to his pace which is an art.
I do not think I was bias towards Fury and I am sure if I watch it again I may give more rounds to Wilder but not enough for him to win.
Hey listen.... if pressed to pick a winner between the two, I'd pick Fury as well. I went back to see my scoring upon watching the fight a second time with the sound OFF. I see that I gave Wilder 3 of the first 6 rounds, an even split. But from Round 5 on, I didn't give him any rounds save for the two 10-8 rounds. The pivotal rounds would be 1 and 2, where traditionally nothing happens. Depends on how you view it, I guess. I remember you giving those rounds to Fury, while I gave them to Wilder. Could be "either or", IMO. I just thought Fury missed a ton of jabs, while Wilder pressed what little action there was. Fury didn't really start connecting till later in the fight. Bottom line though... I don't think it was a shutout, even taking the 10-8 rounds away.
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NEARLY THERE Deontay Wilder vs Tyson Fury rematch: American teases imminent announcement, hits out at Eddie Hearn
WBC champion Wilder believes a few ‘little things’ are the only factors left to be resolved before this fight is officially confirmed.
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/4...r-eddie-hearn/
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Have to admit it I'd pay for it if I could pay in rolled Nickels ;D. It'll be a much bigger show, will watch. Deontay via sparko but hope Fury stays off his arse and gets it. I don't have much interest in AJ v Miller. Hearn has kept Miller on the back burner and AJ is starting to remind me of a corny Byron Allen.
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Evander Holyfield questions Tyson Fury for discussing weight loss and sobriety in build-up to Deontay Wilder fight
Despite this criticism, the former heavyweight champion admitted he was impressed with the ‘Gypsy King’s’ performance
Heavyweight legend Evander Holyfield has questioned Tyson Fury’s decision to use his comeback story to gain favour in the build-up to his fight with Deontay Wilder.
The Brit endured mental health issues which led to him piling on the pounds and regularly taking drugs in 2016/17, before then turning his life around and coming back on a quest to regain the world title.
Fury has become an advocate for mental health awareness and discussed his issues as a large part of his comeback story prior to the Wilder bout.
However, the ‘Real Deal’ believes that issues such as weight gain and drug taking – which he says Tyson brought on himself – shouldn’t have been discussed.
When asked if he appreciated Fury’s story, taking into account his own tough times in life, Holyfield told talkSPORT’s Will Gavin and Olly Hunter: “I appreciate everything he’s done, but life is about – ‘If I do it to me, I did it to myself.’
https://talksport.com/wp-content/upl...60&quality=100
“Meaning that, ‘If I got heavy, then I got heavy myself. If I got on drugs, then I got on drugs myself.’
“That you don’t bring that part into anything to make anybody feel special for you, that’s what he chose to do.
“We were born our colour, you were born your colour, can’t change that. But the things that you choose to do, these are things you chose to do.”
Despite disagreeing with some of Tyson Fury’s pre-fight talk, Evander Holyfield had no shortage of praise for the 30-year-old’s performance inside the ring.
“He did lose a lot of weight,” Holyfield continued, “It was amazing because he was jumping around the whole fight.
“It was amazing how great a shape he was in. He was in great shape and he fought good.
“He did everything that he’s supposed to do and that’s the reason I went to the fight.”
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/4...-wilder-fight/
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Evan Fields was a prolific steroid user for perhaps the majority of his career, thats what he chose to do. The guy was a turnip before he was punch drunk, who wants to hear his opinion. That said, I guess I can agree Fury used the mental health angle to shade his own PED issue, but as far as getting fat and going off the rails then making a comeback, that was his choice and the comeback he made is a good story.
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Tyson Fury news: ‘Gypsy King’ confirms he donated £7million Deontay Wilder purse to charity as he promises to be ’40 or 50% better’ for rematch
The 'Gypsy King' battled to a controversial draw in December, and seems set to get back in against the undefeated American in May or June
Tyson Fury has confirmed he donated his entire £7million purse from his fight against Deontay Wilder to charity.
The ‘Gypsy King’ travelled around Los Angeles on a promotional tour ahead of his WBC heavyweight title fight in the city and was stunned by the number of homeless people he saw.
Speaking to members of the LA Fire Department, he vowed to donate his entire purse to UK charities to build homes for alcohol and drug addicts at home.
Fury, who is currently embarking on a meet and greet tour around the country, told audience members in Cardiff at an Evening With Tyson Fury show he had in fact given all his hard-earned cash away.
https://talksport.com/wp-content/upl...60&quality=100
In an exclusive obtained by The Sun, Fury reportedly said during a Q&A session: “I did give away my last purse but I don’t do charity work for a pat on the back.
“I do it to help people but I do not want praise for it, I don’t want to be called a do-gooder.”
Although Fury received a basic wage of £2.5m, this figure rose to the reported £7m once the pay-per-view money was taken into account.
After courting controversy throughout his early career, Fury’s battles with mental illness have inspired him to help others and seen him champion charitable causes.
However, he was in no mood to go easy on the Bronze Bomber should their reported rematch get confirmed for the summer.
Gareth A Davies exclusively told talkSPORT he believes late May or early June will be when the two heavyweights tangle again and the Brit had a warning to Wilder.
https://talksport.com/wp-content/upl...60&quality=100
He also said: “He [Wilder] cannot get any better, I will be 40 or 50 per cent better and his whole team knows that.
“They saw my fat ugly white body and bald head and thought I was s**t but then I Roy Jonesed them and they were f****d.”
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/4...arity-rematch/
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This is now set for May 18th at MSG - NYC with Fury getting around £20 Million.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxin...ontay-13986997
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If it is MSG and the AJ v Miller rumours are true that would mean the two fights would be at the same venue only 2 weeks apart.
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smashup
If it is MSG and the AJ v Miller rumours are true that would mean the two fights would be at the same venue only 2 weeks apart.
That’s okay, only 1 matters.
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nuggetdotcom
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TitoFan
I'm not. A rematch that huge needs a huge venue. Nothing bigger in the U.S. than Vegas. Relax guys..... it's not Canelo fighting, so we should be ok. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think Fury will get a fair shake. All he needs to do is totally dominate the fight, and he's home free. Contrary to popular opinion, he only won a little over half the fight last time out, all of which was negated by the two 10-8 rounds he suffered.
Thanks for your post, which with all due respect is total bollox. The only rounds that Wilder won were two 10-8s.
There is now a queue in Europe (and everywhere else) to get a reasonable heavyweight against Wilder, the unjust title holder. Both Fury and Joshua know they will beat him, but the money comes in, if Joshua beats him first its a money fest for all, Fury fights Joshua, biggest money fight on the planet and then they can share the spoils with Wilder rematches, Wilder then moves on to get beat by Dillyan White and Derek Chisora, then retires, or maybe David Price has a pop?
AS for judges the same shit cannot possibly happen again with another 3 Europeans sitting their capable of beating this hype job, another dodgy result would mean a segregation of US/European boxing, may not be a bad thing
Lmao imagine being so delusional that you think Chisora would beat Wilder
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Or thinking the biggest money fights cut out the American market. It’s nonsense haha
The money is in having BOTH markets. That is so f’n obvious. It sucks coming here and watching people tell each other fairy tales.
You all aren’t Eddie Hearn, be honest.
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He's donating the £20 million to the Manchester LGBTQ foundation.
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Ron Swanson
Or thinking the biggest money fights cut out the American market. It’s nonsense haha
The money is in having BOTH markets. That is so f’n obvious. It sucks coming here and watching people tell each other fairy tales.
You all aren’t Eddie Hearn, be honest.
First things first Ron, no one forces you to come here, you choose to. I'm not quite sure why, I could hazard a guess, rank arrogance perhaps.
Secondly, no one at any point ever, not even once said the best way to make money was the cut off the American market, don't be so fucking dense.
The entire argument hinged on 'Would Joshua V Wilder make more money in the UK, or the US' That's what we were all debating right? With that in mind, answer the following, how much did Wilder and Fury earn (combined) then answer would AJ V Wilder in the UK have made more money.
When you're ready.
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Memphis
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Ron Swanson
Or thinking the biggest money fights cut out the American market. It’s nonsense haha
The money is in having BOTH markets. That is so f’n obvious. It sucks coming here and watching people tell each other fairy tales.
You all aren’t Eddie Hearn, be honest.
First things first Ron, no one forces you to come here, you choose to. I'm not quite sure why, I could hazard a guess, rank arrogance perhaps.
Secondly, no one at any point ever, not even once said the best way to make money was the cut off the American market, don't be so fucking dense.
The entire argument hinged on 'Would Joshua V Wilder make more money in the UK, or the US' That's what we were all debating right? With that in mind, answer the following, how much did Wilder and Fury earn (combined) then answer would AJ V Wilder in the UK have made more money.
When you're ready.
How about when you are ready you go back and read the posts before mine. You started an entirely new conversation from what was said to try to be right. I’m embarrassed for you. It’s not even a good attempt at spin. But go ahead and try to spin again.
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I read it Ron, you chose to use it as an opportunity to reverse the hearse as you have done a million times over. So please, when ever you feel like it answer the question.
Cheers.
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Memphis
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Ron Swanson
Or thinking the biggest money fights cut out the American market. It’s nonsense haha
The money is in having BOTH markets. That is so f’n obvious. It sucks coming here and watching people tell each other fairy tales.
You all aren’t Eddie Hearn, be honest.
First things first Ron, no one forces you to come here, you choose to. I'm not quite sure why, I could hazard a guess, rank arrogance perhaps.
Secondly, no one at any point ever, not even once said the best way to make money was the cut off the American market, don't be so fucking dense.
The entire argument hinged on 'Would Joshua V Wilder make more money in the UK, or the US' That's what we were all debating right? With that in mind, answer the following, how much did Wilder and Fury earn (combined) then answer would AJ V Wilder in the UK have made more money.
When you're ready.
I appreciate your direct insult. It says much about you. Thanks for being so transparent for everyone.
To get to your attempt to spin. Yes, people have said the best way to get the most money is to cut out the American market when they say Fury vs AJ is the most profitable. Americans won’t buy that now. It may be the most profitable in the long run because if Fury Beats Wilder decisively they may buy the unification. That is both markets. But if they fought NOW Americans wouldn’t buy, 1 market, less money. So compare apples to apples. AJ vs Fury is not the biggest money maker NOW and those that suggested that are ignorant or dishonest. And it has been suggested so don’t try to say it hasn’t.
As for your question which is again apples vs oranges rather than apples vs apples, which by the way is a technique used by those attempting to deceive so again giving everyone more information about you, AJ vs Wilder in UK would have made more than Wilder vs Fury in USA. But Wilder would have made less because of the crap offer. Wilder and AJ both would have made most by fighting in the USA, BOTH markets. Don’t narrow options to make a point, that’s deceptive. Broaden it to extrapolate honest informative information. Oh, but honest information isn’t what you want apples to oranges. Looking at it broader you now see the rematch of Wilder vs Fury will make more than Eddie said even the bright star AJ vs Wilder would make in the UK. This is no fault of UK fans, they do their part. But US fans are picky. They want their fights when they want them. To get BOTH markets we all know it must be in the USA to be at the time USA fight fans watch fights. This is transparent apples to apples conversation. Try it. There is nothing arrogant about honesty.
Cheers
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Ron Swanson
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Originally Posted by
Memphis
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Originally Posted by
Ron Swanson
Or thinking the biggest money fights cut out the American market. It’s nonsense haha
The money is in having BOTH markets. That is so f’n obvious. It sucks coming here and watching people tell each other fairy tales.
You all aren’t Eddie Hearn, be honest.
First things first Ron, no one forces you to come here, you choose to. I'm not quite sure why, I could hazard a guess, rank arrogance perhaps.
Secondly, no one at any point ever, not even once said the best way to make money was the cut off the American market, don't be so fucking dense.
The entire argument hinged on 'Would Joshua V Wilder make more money in the UK, or the US' That's what we were all debating right? With that in mind, answer the following, how much did Wilder and Fury earn (combined) then answer would AJ V Wilder in the UK have made more money.
When you're ready.
I appreciate your direct insult. It says much about you. Thanks for being so transparent for everyone.
To get to your attempt to spin. Yes, people have said the best way to get the most money is to cut out the American market when they say Fury vs AJ is the most profitable. Americans won’t buy that now. It may be the most profitable in the long run because if Fury Beats Wilder decisively they may buy the unification. That is both markets. But if they fought NOW Americans wouldn’t buy, 1 market, less money. So compare apples to apples. AJ vs Fury is not the biggest money maker NOW and those that suggested that are ignorant or dishonest. And it has been suggested so don’t try to say it hasn’t.
As for your question which is again apples vs oranges rather than apples vs apples, which by the way is a technique used by those attempting to deceive so again giving everyone more information about you,
AJ vs Wilder in UK would have made more than Wilder vs Fury in USA. But Wilder would have made less because of the crap offer. Wilder and AJ both would have made most by fighting in the USA, BOTH markets. Don’t narrow options to make a point, that’s deceptive. Broaden it to extrapolate honest informative information. Oh, but honest information isn’t what you want apples to oranges. Looking at it broader you now see the rematch of Wilder vs Fury will make more than Eddie said even the bright star AJ vs Wilder would make in the UK. This is no fault of UK fans, they do their part. But US fans are picky. They want their fights when they want them. To get BOTH markets we all know it must be in the USA to be at the time USA fight fans watch fights. This is transparent apples to apples conversation. Try it. There is nothing arrogant about honesty.
Cheers
Transparent or honesty? Funny how they are interchangeable dependent on your position Ron. Go ahead and be insulted Ron, I think it's insulting for someone to constantly play the 'ughh this forum sucks' card but that's just me, I think I have more respect for this place than you do is all.
Cheers for the part in bold. that was an actual answer to the actual question posed to you. I don't care for all the other stuff about fruit. You can shift the goalposts and the time lines all you want, it changes nothing.
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Originally Posted by
Memphis
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Originally Posted by
Ron Swanson
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Originally Posted by
Memphis
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Originally Posted by
Ron Swanson
Or thinking the biggest money fights cut out the American market. It’s nonsense haha
The money is in having BOTH markets. That is so f’n obvious. It sucks coming here and watching people tell each other fairy tales.
You all aren’t Eddie Hearn, be honest.
First things first Ron, no one forces you to come here, you choose to. I'm not quite sure why, I could hazard a guess, rank arrogance perhaps.
Secondly, no one at any point ever, not even once said the best way to make money was the cut off the American market, don't be so fucking dense.
The entire argument hinged on 'Would Joshua V Wilder make more money in the UK, or the US' That's what we were all debating right? With that in mind, answer the following, how much did Wilder and Fury earn (combined) then answer would AJ V Wilder in the UK have made more money.
When you're ready.
I appreciate your direct insult. It says much about you. Thanks for being so transparent for everyone.
To get to your attempt to spin. Yes, people have said the best way to get the most money is to cut out the American market when they say Fury vs AJ is the most profitable. Americans won’t buy that now. It may be the most profitable in the long run because if Fury Beats Wilder decisively they may buy the unification. That is both markets. But if they fought NOW Americans wouldn’t buy, 1 market, less money. So compare apples to apples. AJ vs Fury is not the biggest money maker NOW and those that suggested that are ignorant or dishonest. And it has been suggested so don’t try to say it hasn’t.
As for your question which is again apples vs oranges rather than apples vs apples, which by the way is a technique used by those attempting to deceive so again giving everyone more information about you,
AJ vs Wilder in UK would have made more than Wilder vs Fury in USA. But Wilder would have made less because of the crap offer. Wilder and AJ both would have made most by fighting in the USA, BOTH markets. Don’t narrow options to make a point, that’s deceptive. Broaden it to extrapolate honest informative information. Oh, but honest information isn’t what you want apples to oranges. Looking at it broader you now see the rematch of Wilder vs Fury will make more than Eddie said even the bright star AJ vs Wilder would make in the UK. This is no fault of UK fans, they do their part. But US fans are picky. They want their fights when they want them. To get BOTH markets we all know it must be in the USA to be at the time USA fight fans watch fights. This is transparent apples to apples conversation. Try it. There is nothing arrogant about honesty.
Cheers
Transparent or honesty? Funny how they are interchangeable dependent on your position Ron. Go ahead and be insulted Ron, I think it's insulting for someone to constantly play the 'ughh this forum sucks' card but that's just me, I think I have more respect for this place than you do is all.
Cheers for the part in bold. that was an actual answer to the actual question posed to you. I don't care for all the other stuff about fruit. You can shift the goalposts and the time lines all you want, it changes nothing.
I’m not shifting the goalposts at all. This started from me people here saying Fury sold the fight with Wilder. People believing Eddies lies. Wilder has in fact and can be simply looked up brought great viewership in the USA. Fury has in fact not, he had his previous fight free fight available to all that brought less than 1/4 the viewership of Wilders previous fight that was only available to less than 15 million. To suggest the guy that doesn’t get the numbers suddenly got the numbers not the guy that always gets the numbers is preposterous. But it’s repeated here. There is a reason Wilder is suddenly going to get a huge and much larger payday than Fury, because of the facts. No matter what people repeat here that isn’t true.
You want to know why I insult this place often, read my last paragraph. You folks repeating nonsense has gotten worse and worse. Everyone in the industry recognizes Eddie Hearn is FOS. The world recognizes Eddie Hearn is FOS. But people on this site not only buy but repeat his nonsense over and over.
Just now you took one thing, turned it into another. Clearly accept that everything I said was true by not debating a word of it then act like I shifted the goalposts when I changed absolutely nothing about what I said ever. That’s BS. You wonder why I am annoyed with the current state of this place. Your crap post is a perfect example. Do better
You said nobody said eliminating one market makes more money. But people did say Fury vs AJ, Fury vs anyone in fact, is now the biggest fight. So either what you said is not true or you have some explaining because those things are mutually exclusive. So how can two contradictory things be true? Good luck explaining, I expect you to dodge
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Re: Wilder v Fury 2 - Las Vegas
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Or thinking the biggest money fights cut out the American market. It’s nonsense haha
The money is in having BOTH markets. That is so f’n obvious. It sucks coming here and watching people tell each other fairy tales.
You all aren’t Eddie Hearn, be honest.
First things first Ron, no one forces you to come here, you choose to. I'm not quite sure why, I could hazard a guess, rank arrogance perhaps.
Secondly, no one at any point ever, not even once said the best way to make money was the cut off the American market, don't be so fucking dense.
The entire argument hinged on 'Would Joshua V Wilder make more money in the UK, or the US' That's what we were all debating right? With that in mind, answer the following, how much did Wilder and Fury earn (combined) then answer would AJ V Wilder in the UK have made more money.
When you're ready.
I appreciate your direct insult. It says much about you. Thanks for being so transparent for everyone.
To get to your attempt to spin. Yes, people have said the best way to get the most money is to cut out the American market when they say Fury vs AJ is the most profitable. Americans won’t buy that now. It may be the most profitable in the long run because if Fury Beats Wilder decisively they may buy the unification. That is both markets. But if they fought NOW Americans wouldn’t buy, 1 market, less money. So compare apples to apples. AJ vs Fury is not the biggest money maker NOW and those that suggested that are ignorant or dishonest. And it has been suggested so don’t try to say it hasn’t.
As for your question which is again apples vs oranges rather than apples vs apples, which by the way is a technique used by those attempting to deceive so again giving everyone more information about you,
AJ vs Wilder in UK would have made more than Wilder vs Fury in USA. But Wilder would have made less because of the crap offer. Wilder and AJ both would have made most by fighting in the USA, BOTH markets. Don’t narrow options to make a point, that’s deceptive. Broaden it to extrapolate honest informative information. Oh, but honest information isn’t what you want apples to oranges. Looking at it broader you now see the rematch of Wilder vs Fury will make more than Eddie said even the bright star AJ vs Wilder would make in the UK. This is no fault of UK fans, they do their part. But US fans are picky. They want their fights when they want them. To get BOTH markets we all know it must be in the USA to be at the time USA fight fans watch fights. This is transparent apples to apples conversation. Try it. There is nothing arrogant about honesty.
Cheers
Transparent or honesty? Funny how they are interchangeable dependent on your position Ron. Go ahead and be insulted Ron, I think it's insulting for someone to constantly play the 'ughh this forum sucks' card but that's just me, I think I have more respect for this place than you do is all.
Cheers for the part in bold. that was an actual answer to the actual question posed to you. I don't care for all the other stuff about fruit. You can shift the goalposts and the time lines all you want, it changes nothing.
I’m not shifting the goalposts at all. This started from me people here saying Fury sold the fight with Wilder. People believing Eddies lies. Wilder has in fact and can be simply looked up brought great viewership in the USA. Fury has in fact not, he had his previous fight free fight available to all that brought less than 1/4 the viewership of Wilders previous fight that was only available to less than 15 million. To suggest the guy that doesn’t get the numbers suddenly got the numbers not the guy that always gets the numbers is preposterous. But it’s repeated here. There is a reason Wilder is suddenly going to get a huge and much larger payday than Fury, because of the facts. No matter what people repeat here that isn’t true.
You want to know why I insult this place often, read my last paragraph. You folks repeating nonsense has gotten worse and worse. Everyone in the industry recognizes Eddie Hearn is FOS. The world recognizes Eddie Hearn is FOS. But people on this site not only buy but repeat his nonsense over and over.
Just now you took one thing, turned it into another. Clearly accept that everything I said was true by not debating a word of it then act like I shifted the goalposts when I changed absolutely nothing about what I said ever. That’s BS. You wonder why I am annoyed with the current state of this place. Your crap post is a perfect example. Do better
You said nobody said eliminating one market makes more money. But people did say Fury vs AJ, Fury vs anyone in fact, is now the biggest fight. So either what you said is not true or you have some explaining because those things are mutually exclusive. So how can two contradictory things be true? Good luck explaining, I expect you to dodge
You giving up smoking Ron or is it time of the month? 🤔
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Re: Wilder v Fury 2 - Las Vegas
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smashup
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Ron Swanson
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Memphis
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Ron Swanson
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Originally Posted by
Memphis
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Ron Swanson
Or thinking the biggest money fights cut out the American market. It’s nonsense haha
The money is in having BOTH markets. That is so f’n obvious. It sucks coming here and watching people tell each other fairy tales.
You all aren’t Eddie Hearn, be honest.
First things first Ron, no one forces you to come here, you choose to. I'm not quite sure why, I could hazard a guess, rank arrogance perhaps.
Secondly, no one at any point ever, not even once said the best way to make money was the cut off the American market, don't be so fucking dense.
The entire argument hinged on 'Would Joshua V Wilder make more money in the UK, or the US' That's what we were all debating right? With that in mind, answer the following, how much did Wilder and Fury earn (combined) then answer would AJ V Wilder in the UK have made more money.
When you're ready.
I appreciate your direct insult. It says much about you. Thanks for being so transparent for everyone.
To get to your attempt to spin. Yes, people have said the best way to get the most money is to cut out the American market when they say Fury vs AJ is the most profitable. Americans won’t buy that now. It may be the most profitable in the long run because if Fury Beats Wilder decisively they may buy the unification. That is both markets. But if they fought NOW Americans wouldn’t buy, 1 market, less money. So compare apples to apples. AJ vs Fury is not the biggest money maker NOW and those that suggested that are ignorant or dishonest. And it has been suggested so don’t try to say it hasn’t.
As for your question which is again apples vs oranges rather than apples vs apples, which by the way is a technique used by those attempting to deceive so again giving everyone more information about you,
AJ vs Wilder in UK would have made more than Wilder vs Fury in USA. But Wilder would have made less because of the crap offer. Wilder and AJ both would have made most by fighting in the USA, BOTH markets. Don’t narrow options to make a point, that’s deceptive. Broaden it to extrapolate honest informative information. Oh, but honest information isn’t what you want apples to oranges. Looking at it broader you now see the rematch of Wilder vs Fury will make more than Eddie said even the bright star AJ vs Wilder would make in the UK. This is no fault of UK fans, they do their part. But US fans are picky. They want their fights when they want them. To get BOTH markets we all know it must be in the USA to be at the time USA fight fans watch fights. This is transparent apples to apples conversation. Try it. There is nothing arrogant about honesty.
Cheers
Transparent or honesty? Funny how they are interchangeable dependent on your position Ron. Go ahead and be insulted Ron, I think it's insulting for someone to constantly play the 'ughh this forum sucks' card but that's just me, I think I have more respect for this place than you do is all.
Cheers for the part in bold. that was an actual answer to the actual question posed to you. I don't care for all the other stuff about fruit. You can shift the goalposts and the time lines all you want, it changes nothing.
I’m not shifting the goalposts at all. This started from me people here saying Fury sold the fight with Wilder. People believing Eddies lies. Wilder has in fact and can be simply looked up brought great viewership in the USA. Fury has in fact not, he had his previous fight free fight available to all that brought less than 1/4 the viewership of Wilders previous fight that was only available to less than 15 million. To suggest the guy that doesn’t get the numbers suddenly got the numbers not the guy that always gets the numbers is preposterous. But it’s repeated here. There is a reason Wilder is suddenly going to get a huge and much larger payday than Fury, because of the facts. No matter what people repeat here that isn’t true.
You want to know why I insult this place often, read my last paragraph. You folks repeating nonsense has gotten worse and worse. Everyone in the industry recognizes Eddie Hearn is FOS. The world recognizes Eddie Hearn is FOS. But people on this site not only buy but repeat his nonsense over and over.
Just now you took one thing, turned it into another. Clearly accept that everything I said was true by not debating a word of it then act like I shifted the goalposts when I changed absolutely nothing about what I said ever. That’s BS. You wonder why I am annoyed with the current state of this place. Your crap post is a perfect example. Do better
You said nobody said eliminating one market makes more money. But people did say Fury vs AJ, Fury vs anyone in fact, is now the biggest fight. So either what you said is not true or you have some explaining because those things are mutually exclusive. So how can two contradictory things be true? Good luck explaining, I expect you to dodge
You giving up smoking Ron or is it time of the month? 🤔
I knew you would chime in with no facts because you’re one of the people saying the nonsense. Do you admit you said Fury brings the most money and thus prove that what he said in his initial post to me wasn’t true or do I have to go find you saying it?