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GIVE ME A BREAK! - WLADIMIR
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Re: GIVE ME A BREAK! - WLADIMIR
...ummm don't have too much to say to that other than you know very little of boxing and you're gay.
Many people complain about the clinching Wlad does, let's compare shall we?
John Ruiz: holds for no other reason than his boxing skills are crap and that's the only way he can win
Wladimir Klitschko: much like the Manny Steward trained LENNOX LEWIS holds and pushes for tactical reasons which make him all the more dominant.
Don't complain about Sam Peter losing, he lost because he's one sided and Wlad is an all around better offensive fighter. Wlad hits harder, Wlad is more accurate, Wlad has a variety of punches in his arsenal unlike Peter who can't jab, uppercut, or throw a decent right cross...he can throw very wide slow punches that are reminiscent of Butterbean.
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Re: GIVE ME A BREAK! - WLADIMIR
FightBeat.com CEO
Do you remember what happened when Byrd faced “The Big 0 (zero),” Fres Oquendo? If you were able to stay awake, clearly Fres won.
117-111 for Byrd? Did they score it in Braille? The NYPD marked it a felony.
What about that life-and-death struggle when Byrd cooked the “Polish Sausage,” Andrew Golota -- the same Golota that was a deer in the headlights against Brewster.
Byrd’s been shot for years!
Hell, even in their first match, Ivan Drago’s little brother plucked the Byrd Man in 12. So why, 13 years into his pro career -- WAAAAAAY past his prime, is a victory over Byrd such a big deal?
Let’s not forget that Wlad needed a life raft to survive 10 rounds with the one-hit wonder: Samuel Peter. Klitschko clutched more then a teenage couple in back of a Thunderbird. What about all the conspiracy theories floated by Team Klitschko after he self-destructed against Brewster.
Was the mystery man that drugged him ever unearthed? Or is he still on a grassy knoll in Dallas?
That Vaseline theory they conjured up was a doozy. The latest batch of K-Y jelly has a new warning label with Joe Souza’s picture: “Overuse can cause a sudden loss in courage.”
So, tell me, somebody, why should I buy into the Klitschko hype? I made a career of blasting Roy Jones for fighting Civil Service workers. What should my theory be on Wladimir losing to a golfer? The only real debate should be: who’d the favorite be against Tiger Woods?
This white supremacy nonsense is getting ridiculous. It won’t be long before Wlad’s footwork is better then Muhammad Ali, his jab’s better then Larry Holmes, and his right’s deadlier then Thomas Hearns.
Saturday night proved nothing, other then Wlad stepped on a pigeon.
Give me a break!
So what’s next for Wlad? Since older brother “peg leg” limped away from Hassim Rahman - he should be first on the list. But I’m sure it will be some mega-bout matching two giant Russians in Germany, and we’ll all have to go to Berlitz to learn who the winner is.
Lennox, we miss you.
Let me just say this...& I hate to comment so harshly on someone's writing...but this is utter bullshat!
That's the most anti-Klitschko/anti-boxing fan crap that I have ever read.
Look...I aint 100% for Wlad...but he did something that no one else has done...he knocked Byrd's ass out.
Ike Ibeabuchi dropped him & TKO'd him...but that was nowhere near the brutal beatdown that Wlad gave him.
For all his detractors out there...this guy included...Byrd was a fantastic boxer & a true practioner of the sweet science (cliche' intended) from his toes to the tips of his corn rowed mane.
Wlad outboxed him & outpunched him to the end of the fight...that is commendable...no matter what your opinion be of Wlad.
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Re: GIVE ME A BREAK! - WLADIMIR
It's cool Wacko, I mean Sam Peter does have some die hard fans out there and I still occassionally sip from a jar filled with their tears from when Wlad whipped him to quench my thrist.
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Re: GIVE ME A BREAK! - WLADIMIR
he didn't KO Byrd, the fight was stopped. Secondly, Ibeabuchi did it in Byrd's prime. Third, I don't hate Wlad. I like Wlad and would root for him against Rahman or most other heavyweights. I just don't like the fact that people are acting like he beat Lennox Lewis or something. He beat a guy who probably should have more loses on his record and was ready to go. It's a win for Wlad, but let's not make it out to be more then what it is.
Fightbeat
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Re: GIVE ME A BREAK! - WLADIMIR
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
FightBeat.com CEO
Do you remember what happened when Byrd faced “The Big 0 (zero),” Fres Oquendo? If you were able to stay awake, clearly Fres won.
117-111 for Byrd? Did they score it in Braille? The NYPD marked it a felony.
What about that life-and-death struggle when Byrd cooked the “Polish Sausage,” Andrew Golota -- the same Golota that was a deer in the headlights against Brewster.
Byrd’s been shot for years!
Hell, even in their first match, Ivan Drago’s little brother plucked the Byrd Man in 12. So why, 13 years into his pro career -- WAAAAAAY past his prime, is a victory over Byrd such a big deal?
Let’s not forget that Wlad needed a life raft to survive 10 rounds with the one-hit wonder: Samuel Peter. Klitschko clutched more then a teenage couple in back of a Thunderbird. What about all the conspiracy theories floated by Team Klitschko after he self-destructed against Brewster.
Was the mystery man that drugged him ever unearthed? Or is he still on a grassy knoll in Dallas?
That Vaseline theory they conjured up was a doozy. The latest batch of K-Y jelly has a new warning label with Joe Souza’s picture: “Overuse can cause a sudden loss in courage.”
So, tell me, somebody, why should I buy into the Klitschko hype? I made a career of blasting Roy Jones for fighting Civil Service workers. What should my theory be on Wladimir losing to a golfer? The only real debate should be: who’d the favorite be against Tiger Woods?
This white supremacy nonsense is getting ridiculous. It won’t be long before Wlad’s footwork is better then Muhammad Ali, his jab’s better then Larry Holmes, and his right’s deadlier then Thomas Hearns.
Saturday night proved nothing, other then Wlad stepped on a pigeon.
Give me a break!
So what’s next for Wlad? Since older brother “peg leg” limped away from Hassim Rahman - he should be first on the list. But I’m sure it will be some mega-bout matching two giant Russians in Germany, and we’ll all have to go to Berlitz to learn who the winner is.
Lennox, we miss you.
Let me just say this...& I hate to comment so harshly on someone's writing...but this is utter bullshat!
That's the most anti-Klitschko/anti-boxing fan crap that I have ever read.
Look...I aint 100% for Wlad...but he did something that no one else has done...he knocked Byrd's a** out.
Ike Ibeabuchi dropped him & TKO'd him...but that was nowhere near the brutal beatdown that Wlad gave him.
For all his detractors out there...this guy included...Byrd was a fantastic boxer & a true practioner of the sweet science (cliche' intended) from his toes to the tips of his corn rowed mane.
Wlad outboxed him & outpunched him to the end of the fight...that is commendable...no matter what your opinion be of Wlad.
what the hell was that? i think ill go puke now.
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Originally Posted by fightbeat
he didn't KO Byrd, the fight was stopped. Secondly, Ibeabuchi did it in Byrd's prime. Third, I don't hate Wlad. I like Wlad and would root for him against Rahman or most other heavyweights. I just don't like the fact that people are acting like he beat Lennox Lewis or something. He beat a guy who probably should have more loses on his record and was ready to go. It's a win for Wlad, but let's not make it out to be more then what it is.
Fightbeat
He beat a guy that no one has convincingly beaten in the end.
He beat a guy that had a belt & he knocked his ass out...however you want to deemphasize that...you may try.
Again...he beat a guy that was marketed as the savior of the heavyweight division, he then beat a champion that no one else was able to beat, & everyone had Wlad written out of the picture.
If you want to bash him into the ground...then have fun...but Wlad's got as many ups as he does down...you just neglect to bring that to the page.
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Originally Posted by Lyle
It's cool Wacko, I mean Sam Peter does have some die hard fans out there and I still occassionally sip from a jar filled with their tears from when Wlad whipped him to quench my thrist.
Heh heh heh.
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Originally Posted by fightbeat
he didn't KO Byrd, the fight was stopped. Secondly, Ibeabuchi did it in Byrd's prime. Third, I don't hate Wlad. I like Wlad and would root for him against Rahman or most other heavyweights. I just don't like the fact that people are acting like he beat Lennox Lewis or something. He beat a guy who probably should have more loses on his record and was ready to go. It's a win for Wlad, but let's not make it out to be more then what it is.
Fightbeat
He beat a guy that no one has convincingly beaten in the end.
He beat a guy that had a belt & he knocked his a** out...however you want to deemphasize that...you may try.
Again...he beat a guy that was marketed as the savior of the heavyweight division, he then beat a champion that no one else was able to beat, & everyone had Wlad written out of the picture.
If you want to bash him into the ground...then have fun...but Wlad's got as many ups as he does down...you just neglect to bring that to the page.
Really? Why do you reject the Ibeabuchi destruction? I think Golota beat him good too.
nobody denies he beat a guy with the belt.
I'm not sure how I bashed him? I said he made 100 excuses why he lost- fact
he held for Peter like crazy - fact
he lost to a golfer - fact
is he legit - maybe
does he have a good right hand - yes
does he have something to prove - yes
FightBeat.com
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Re: GIVE ME A BREAK! - WLADIMIR
Personally, I found the article hillarious. Not because it was bullshit... I think a lot of it is true just put a little strongly perhaps. I think the truths are in there, just overemphasized.
I think people who take this win away from Wlad though are forgetting just how crappy this heavyweight division is. Look at what Wlad has ahead of him............ I'm still looking and don't see much. ;D
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Many people complain about the clinching Wlad does, let's compare shall we?
John Ruiz: holds for no other reason than his boxing skills are crap and that's the only way he can win
Wladimir Klitschko: much like the Manny Steward trained LENNOX LEWIS holds and pushes for tactical reasons which make him all the more dominant.
that's pure nonesense. Ruiz, Klitchko and Lewis all hold for the same reasons. Because THEIR CHINS ARE MUSH. Hence the only way of avoiding getting hit at close quarters is via the clinch.
Ruiz did it against Holyfield. Lewis did it against Tua, and Tyson, and Wladimir did it against Peters and somewhat against Byrd.
"Hold and Pushes for tactical reasons" HAHAHAHEHEHEHEHEHHAAHEHEHALOL the way you say that, you should be into politics.
Holding and Pushing has always been a favorite recommendation of manny steward. It keeps those short powerful arms, of those short stocky boxers away from unleashing brutal combinations on the chiny chin chin of his tall hevies.
Ruiz likewise does this. And he is quite sensible for doing this, since being obliterated by Tua in what 10 seconds.
There all the same. Its just that Ruiz doesn't give beautiful KOES. Actually he doesn't KO anyone. He jabs and clinches his way to victories.
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Re: GIVE ME A BREAK! - WLADIMIR
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Personally, I found the article hillarious. Not because it was bullshit... I think a lot of it is true just put a little strongly perhaps. I think the truths are in there, just overemphasized.
I think people who take this win away from Wlad though are forgetting just how crappy this heavyweight division is. Look at what Wlad has ahead of him............ I'm still looking and don't see much. ;D
I'm glad you found it to be funny. That's the way it's supposed to be taken. It's presented in a "in your face" style.
FightBeat
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Look...I aint 100% for Wlad...but he did something that no one else has done...he knocked Byrd's ass out.
Nooo... he messed up byrd's eye to the point the ref stopped it, Byrd has never been knocked out and never will be.
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Ike Ibeabuchi dropped him & TKO'd him
that's what Wladimer did, but its an overstatement to say he knocked Byrd out. He beat the Holy hell out of Byrd and TKO'd him, but he didn't knock him out.
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Wlad outboxed him & outpunched him to the end of the fight...that is commendable...no matter what your opinion be of Wlad.
Opinion of Wlad has nothing to do with it, its the pre opinion of Byrd I believe. Credit is due, but give it to both sisdes(not you wacko) everyone.
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
He beat a guy that no one has convincingly beaten in the end.
He beat a guy that had a belt & he knocked his ass out...however you want to deemphasize that...you may try.
Again...he beat a guy that was marketed as the savior of the heavyweight division, he then beat a champion that no one else was able to beat, & everyone had Wlad written out of the picture.
If you want to bash him into the ground...then have fun...but Wlad's got as many ups as he does down...you just neglect to bring that to the page.
I sort of agree both ways Wacko. You yourself didn't give Byrd a shot in hell at winning so it was more or less what you expected, and just because you were a round off shouldn't shock you ;)
Wlad should get credit for beating Byrd, but then again about 99 people predicted it. I think it's saying don't overcredit Wlad. Thats what I think the main thing is.
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Re: GIVE ME A BREAK! - WLADIMIR
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
He beat a guy that no one has convincingly beaten in the end.
He beat a guy that had a belt & he knocked his ass out...however you want to deemphasize that...you may try.
Again...he beat a guy that was marketed as the savior of the heavyweight division, he then beat a champion that no one else was able to beat, & everyone had Wlad written out of the picture.
If you want to bash him into the ground...then have fun...but Wlad's got as many ups as he does down...you just neglect to bring that to the page.
I sort of agree both ways Wacko. You yourself didn't give Byrd a shot in hell at winning so it was more or less what you expected, and just because you were a round off shouldn't shock you ;)
Wlad should get credit for beating Byrd, but then again about 99 people predicted it. I think it's saying don't overcredit Wlad. Thats what I think the main thing is.
agreed, it was a good win but really most people expected it. Wlad gave him a boxing lesson the last time they fought so this time he had to go one step better and stop him, which he did well. But to me it's really not that big a win in the heavyweight scene, but at least its a start
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Originally Posted by fightbeat
Really? Why do you reject the Ibeabuchi destruction? I think Golota beat him good too.
nobody denies he beat a guy with the belt.
I'm not sure how I bashed him? I said he made 100 excuses why he lost- fact
he held for Peter like crazy - fact
he lost to a golfer - fact
is he legit - maybe
does he have a good right hand - yes
does he have something to prove - yes
FightBeat.com
Look...I never discounted the Ibeabuchi fight...Ike is my favorite of all the recent heavies...don't try to put words in my mouth that won't flush.
Wlad get's credit by me for what he has overcome & what he did.
In my opinion he devastated Byrd in a much more convincing fashion than Ike did...that being said...had the fight gone on Ike may have killed him...but then again...so could Wlad have.
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Re: GIVE ME A BREAK! - WLADIMIR
I think Wlad now has the best chance of anyone out there to clean up the division. There isn't anybody else out there really. If he does as Manny Steward hinted after the fight take on Calvin Brock then we could be in for a great fight, aside from that there really isn't anybody else out there who could stop Wlad.
Not that I really rate him, I personally can't stand fighters like him who have such massive physicial advantages but are only slightly more aggressive than Audley Harrison.
Ok he knocked out Byrd, but seeing as Bryd looked like he was fighting two weight divisions below him then I ain't really impressed.
And talking of Bryd his record really isn't imppressive at all. He's only been champion for so long because of two things, 1) He's always avoided fighting any decent fighters, and 2) He only fights once a year, twice in a leap year.
An example Nicolai Valuev seems sure to follow.
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Re: GIVE ME A BREAK! - WLADIMIR
People build you up just enough to tear you down. Wlad will ko anyones' ass at heavyweight. That list also includes that fat old guy,??? Oh yeah Toney.
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Re: GIVE ME A BREAK! - WLADIMIR
Wladimir destroyed the #1 ring rated heavyweight in Chris Byrd!He beat him worse than any other fighter has including Ike!That article is written by a complete hack! >:mad
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Re: GIVE ME A BREAK! - WLADIMIR
I remember a few days ago I posted something about cool clicks and was overly harsh. Looking back on it I realized I was posting with raw emotion, and not an ounce of intelligence, and of course I looked like an ass. Luckily I took the time to rethink about what I said and thank God I did cause that mistake won't happen twice. Being conscious of that now I really start to notice when people make that same mistake, not thinking before they type, but moreso feeling it. Obviously Mr. Fightbeat feels Wlad has something to prove, but has he thought about it?
Well I've thought about it, and Wlad is one bad sum bich. Theres not too many people who could of gotten past Byrd's amazing defense no matter what. You can say it's his size or this or that. It doesn't change the fact he's one of the few people who could of done it :lickish:
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Re: GIVE ME A BREAK! - WLADIMIR
Who in top10 should ever be better than Wlad or Vitali?
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Who in top10 should ever be better than Wlad or Vitali?
Should he take a rematch with Sam Peter & beat him without the excessive holding and a ref who has the balls to warn, take points and disqualify him if he does, then he will earn my respect and as well as many other I know. I don't really know how good a (BOXER) he really is because of that. This is BOXING not UFC or WRESTLING.
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Originally Posted by New Wind
Who in top10 should ever be better than Wlad or Vitali?
Should he take a rematch with Sam Peter & beat him without the excessive holding and a ref who has the balls to warn, take points and disqualify him if he does, then he will earn my respect and as well as many other I know. I don't really know how good a (BOXER) he really is because of that. This is BOXING not UFC or WRESTLING.
Clinching is a tool in boxing, and most true boxing finatics don't expect a casual fan like yourself to take to it all that well - rightfully so. I personally see the brilliance of it and yeah there was a time when Wlad didn't do it at all but he does now and it wins him fights over guys like Byrd and Peter.
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Originally Posted by raleights
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
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Originally Posted by New Wind
Who in top10 should ever be better than Wlad or Vitali?
Should he take a rematch with Sam Peter & beat him without the excessive holding and a ref who has the balls to warn, take points and disqualify him if he does, then he will earn my respect and as well as many other I know. I don't really know how good a (BOXER) he really is because of that. This is BOXING not UFC or WRESTLING.
Clinching is a tool in boxing, and most true boxing finatics don't expect a casual fan like yourself to take to it all that well - rightfully so. I personally see the brilliance of it and yeah there was a time when Wlad didn't do it at all but he does now and it wins him fights over guys like Byrd and Peter.
Trust me, I am far from a casual fan but based on what you just said, I can tell you who is. LOL
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
FightBeat.com CEO
Do you remember what happened when Byrd faced “The Big 0 (zero),” Fres Oquendo? If you were able to stay awake, clearly Fres won.
117-111 for Byrd? Did they score it in Braille? The NYPD marked it a felony.
What about that life-and-death struggle when Byrd cooked the “Polish Sausage,” Andrew Golota -- the same Golota that was a deer in the headlights against Brewster.
Byrd’s been shot for years!
Hell, even in their first match, Ivan Drago’s little brother plucked the Byrd Man in 12. So why, 13 years into his pro career -- WAAAAAAY past his prime, is a victory over Byrd such a big deal?
Let’s not forget that Wlad needed a life raft to survive 10 rounds with the one-hit wonder: Samuel Peter. Klitschko clutched more then a teenage couple in back of a Thunderbird. What about all the conspiracy theories floated by Team Klitschko after he self-destructed against Brewster.
Was the mystery man that drugged him ever unearthed? Or is he still on a grassy knoll in Dallas?
That Vaseline theory they conjured up was a doozy. The latest batch of K-Y jelly has a new warning label with Joe Souza’s picture: “Overuse can cause a sudden loss in courage.”
So, tell me, somebody, why should I buy into the Klitschko hype? I made a career of blasting Roy Jones for fighting Civil Service workers. What should my theory be on Wladimir losing to a golfer? The only real debate should be: who’d the favorite be against Tiger Woods?
This white supremacy nonsense is getting ridiculous. It won’t be long before Wlad’s footwork is better then Muhammad Ali, his jab’s better then Larry Holmes, and his right’s deadlier then Thomas Hearns.
Saturday night proved nothing, other then Wlad stepped on a pigeon.
Give me a break!
So what’s next for Wlad? Since older brother “peg leg” limped away from Hassim Rahman - he should be first on the list. But I’m sure it will be some mega-bout matching two giant Russians in Germany, and we’ll all have to go to Berlitz to learn who the winner is.
Lennox, we miss you.
Let me just say this...& I hate to comment so harshly on someone's writing...but this is utter bullshat!
That's the most anti-Klitschko/anti-boxing fan crap that I have ever read.
Look...I aint 100% for Wlad...but he did something that no one else has done...he knocked Byrd's a** out.
damn straight, byrd did loose to oquendo and couldnt get a W on golatta but he WASNT CLOSE TO DOMINATED IN EITHER FIGHT
not only did big vladdy get a TKO, he barley got hit and barley missed a punch on the "most ellusive" HW
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I gotta admit, Wlad did look good in that fight. He landed clean punches against a guy that is not easy to hit and his holding wasn't as excessive as in the Peter fight but it was still blatant. Still, I think it is a double standard for guys without huge TV contracts and heavy popularity. Everyone bashed Henry Akinwande for holding Lennox Lewis and said he was a joke but look at the Wlad vs Peter fight and that one and tell me the difference. I can tell you. Wlad didn't get DQed.
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Who in top10 should ever be better than Wlad or Vitali?
Should he take a rematch with Sam Peter & beat him without the excessive holding and a ref who has the balls to warn, take points and disqualify him if he does, then he will earn my respect and as well as many other I know. I don't really know how good a (BOXER) he really is because of that. This is BOXING not UFC or WRESTLING.
Clinching is a tool in boxing, and most true boxing finatics don't expect a casual fan like yourself to take to it all that well - rightfully so. I personally see the brilliance of it and yeah there was a time when Wlad didn't do it at all but he does now and it wins him fights over guys like Byrd and Peter.
If Ruiz fought Wlad and beat him the same way with holding I bet you'd be all over the holding ;)
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Who in top10 should ever be better than Wlad or Vitali?
Should he take a rematch with Sam Peter & beat him without the excessive holding and a ref who has the balls to warn, take points and disqualify him if he does, then he will earn my respect and as well as many other I know. I don't really know how good a (BOXER) he really is because of that. This is BOXING not UFC or WRESTLING.
Some people listen more to the commentary than watch what is actually happening in the ring. DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE!!!!
Clinching is a tool in boxing, and most true boxing finatics don't expect a casual fan like yourself to take to it all that well - rightfully so. I personally see the brilliance of it and yeah there was a time when Wlad didn't do it at all but he does now and it wins him fights over guys like Byrd and Peter.
If Ruiz fought Wlad and beat him the same way with holding I bet you'd be all over the holding ;)
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Some people listen to the commentary and ignore the actual fight. DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE!!!!
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...ummm don't have too much to say to that other than you know very little of boxing and you're gay.
Many people complain about the clinching Wlad does, let's compare shall we?
John Ruiz: holds for no other reason than his boxing skills are crap and that's the only way he can win
Wladimir Klitschko: much like the Manny Steward trained LENNOX LEWIS holds and pushes for tactical reasons which make him all the more dominant.
Don't complain about Sam Peter losing, he lost because he's one sided and Wlad is an all around better offensive fighter. Wlad hits harder, Wlad is more accurate, Wlad has a variety of punches in his arsenal unlike Peter who can't jab, uppercut, or throw a decent right cross...he can throw very wide slow punches that are reminiscent of Butterbean.
John RUiz when he was rounger did have skill to say other wise would show lack of boxing knowledge... He's more skilled than almost any of the top heavyweights now except Toney, Brock, and Wladimir IMO.
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Re: GIVE ME A BREAK! - WLADIMIR
he dominated and destroyed Chris Byrd and made the much over hyped Samuel Peter look like a chump, you gotta give him credit, and admit that he's the best of all the heavy's right now
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
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Originally Posted by New Wind
Who in top10 should ever be better than Wlad or Vitali?
Should he take a rematch with Sam Peter & beat him without the excessive holding and a ref who has the balls to warn, take points and disqualify him if he does, then he will earn my respect and as well as many other I know. I don't really know how good a (BOXER) he really is because of that. This is BOXING not UFC or WRESTLING.
Clinching is a tool in boxing, and most true boxing finatics don't expect a casual fan like yourself to take to it all that well - rightfully so. I personally see the brilliance of it and yeah there was a time when Wlad didn't do it at all but he does now and it wins him fights over guys like Byrd and Peter.
If Ruiz fought Wlad and beat him the same way with holding I bet you'd be all over the holding ;)
i know you gotta be able to see the difference between the way they utilize holding
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Re: GIVE ME A BREAK! - WLADIMIR
First off there ain't no such thing as "tactical holding", that's a fukin joke. HBO invented that term to make the big doofus look good even while holding and jumping up and coming down on guys necks at the same time. Sucker did look good, if you are into that sort of thing :P, against Byrd. Dominated him even. But let's examine something, Byrd's strategy. He came in with little to no head movement, rarely throwing punches. If that's not askin for it I don't know what is. Terrible gameplan for Byrd. He shoulda ran, moved, and tired da Klit out. But he thought he could out power a guy that was a whole lot bigger than him. Give the dummy credit though, he is tuff as hell, took a beating.
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Re: GIVE ME A BREAK! - WLADIMIR
So what's the problem? It's Klitschko HATERS now cheer for him vs Rahman or Toney but give the guy some props he's got no chin, got no stamina, he gets scared....blah blah blah, you know he just wrecked Chris Byrd an older Byrd but either way he looked DOMINANT and that is what the heavyweight division needs and you still complain.
Wlad Klitschko will beat anyone out there if he fought the way he fought vs Byrd. Sam Peter wants a rematch well that's just fine and dandy I'm sure Wlad will be up to hand out another ass whippin and you KNOW he'll KO Peter in a rematch, Sam is one sided and Wlad have been through the fire with him and he'd beat him senseless. Beating Brock won't be AS good as avenging the loss vs Brewster or fighting rival Lyahkovich but Brock is undefeated and Wlad is going to fight and BEAT the best out there
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Re: GIVE ME A BREAK! - WLADIMIR
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First off there ain't no such thing as "tactical holding", that's a fukin joke. HBO invented that term to make the big doofus look good even while holding and jumping up and coming down on guys necks at the same time. Sucker did look good, if you are into that sort of thing :P, against Byrd. Dominated him even. But let's examine something, Byrd's strategy. He came in with little to no head movement, rarely throwing punches. If that's not askin for it I don't know what is. Terrible gameplan for Byrd. He shoulda ran, moved, and tired da Klit out. But he thought he could out power a guy that was a whole lot bigger than him. Give the dummy credit though, he is tuff as hell, took a beating.
Lewis did the same thing!So did Ali for that matter.Are you going to give them sh.t for it too? ::**
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Re: GIVE ME A BREAK! - WLADIMIR
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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
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Originally Posted by Hulk
First off there ain't no such thing as "tactical holding", that's a fukin joke. HBO invented that term to make the big doofus look good even while holding and jumping up and coming down on guys necks at the same time. Sucker did look good, if you are into that sort of thing :P, against Byrd. Dominated him even. But let's examine something, Byrd's strategy. He came in with little to no head movement, rarely throwing punches. If that's not askin for it I don't know what is. Terrible gameplan for Byrd. He shoulda ran, moved, and tired da Klit out. But he thought he could out power a guy that was a whole lot bigger than him. Give the dummy credit though, he is tuff as hell, took a beating.
Lewis did the same thing!So did Ali for that matter.Are you going to give them sh.t for it too? ::**
Ali did it post 33-34. he also did it against some guy to prove he could take body shots.
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Re: GIVE ME A BREAK! - WLADIMIR
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Originally Posted by Hulk
First off there ain't no such thing as "tactical holding", that's a fukin joke.
I beg to differ. Based on what I've seen in the ring, it's apparent that Emanuel Steward has for years been teaching many of his taller outside boxers to only tie up inside. He did it with Thomas Hearns, Hilmer Kenty, Lennox Lewis and most recently with Wladimir Klitschko. Mark my words: He will do it again with Jermain Taylor. Personally I don't like it since it takes away from the entertainment of boxing and rewards guys who can't (or won't) fight on the inside, but as Lennox Lewis once said, when asked about a different illegal ring tactic "Go ahead and do it until the referee warns you." If a guy has a weak chin or can't defend inside without holding, then Steward's coaching makes sense even if boxing fans end up frustrated (like me!). Personally I think that holding is a sad and loathesome substitute for genuine infighting skills (both offence and defence) but it will be part of boxing until the day arrives when referees seriously clamp down on it.
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Re: GIVE ME A BREAK! - WLADIMIR
Holding is all good and well but the weakness to Emanuel's style is. What happens when his trainee's opponent can fight him better at the distance that Stewart wants to keep the opponent at?
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Re: GIVE ME A BREAK! - WLADIMIR
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Originally Posted by mokele
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Originally Posted by Hulk
First off there ain't no such thing as "tactical holding", that's a fukin joke.
I beg to differ. Based on what I've seen in the ring, it's apparent that Emanuel Steward has for years been teaching many of his taller outside boxers to only tie up inside. He did it with Thomas Hearns, Hilmer Kenty, Lennox Lewis and most recently with Wladimir Klitschko. Mark my words: He will do it again with Jermain Taylor. Personally I don't like it since it takes away from the entertainment of boxing and rewards guys who can't (or won't) fight on the inside, but as Lennox Lewis once said, when asked about a different illegal ring tactic "Go ahead and do it until the referee warns you." If a guy has a weak chin or can't defend inside without holding, then Steward's coaching makes sense even if boxing fans end up frustrated (like me!). Personally I think that holding is a sad and loathesome substitute for genuine infighting skills (both offence and defence) but it will be part of boxing until the day arrives when referees seriously clamp down on it.
Tall fighters like Lewis and Wladimir do their best work on the outside because of their reach.It is not that they don't have good infighting skills it has to do with getting extension on their punches and that is almost imposible on the inside unless you have shorter arms.Why don't you think Tyson didn't fight on the outside.They are just playing to their strenghts and that is what a smart fighter does.
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Re: GIVE ME A BREAK! - WLADIMIR
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Originally Posted by fightbeat
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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he didn't KO Byrd, the fight was stopped. Secondly, Ibeabuchi did it in Byrd's prime. Third, I don't hate Wlad. I like Wlad and would root for him against Rahman or most other heavyweights. I just don't like the fact that people are acting like he beat Lennox Lewis or something. He beat a guy who probably should have more loses on his record and was ready to go. It's a win for Wlad, but let's not make it out to be more then what it is.
Fightbeat
He beat a guy that no one has convincingly beaten in the end.
He beat a guy that had a belt & he knocked his a** out...however you want to deemphasize that...you may try.
Again...he beat a guy that was marketed as the savior of the heavyweight division, he then beat a champion that no one else was able to beat, & everyone had Wlad written out of the picture.
If you want to bash him into the ground...then have fun...but Wlad's got as many ups as he does down...you just neglect to bring that to the page.
Really? Why do you reject the Ibeabuchi destruction? I think Golota beat him good too.
nobody denies he beat a guy with the belt.
I'm not sure how I bashed him? I said he made 100 excuses why he lost- fact
he held for Peter like crazy - fact
he lost to a golfer - fact
is he legit - maybe
does he have a good right hand - yes
does he have something to prove - yes
FightBeat.com
"lennox we miss you" ????? WTF is that?
Lets here you say that Wlad is the most talented heavy out there...and if you don't believe that then name one who is more talented....
SOOO MANY people out there not even one year ago were saying that Wlad was S*** becasue he had no chin, then it was something about his stamina, and so he accepted a fight with one of the heaviest punchers in the division (one that everyone was ready to crown the new division savior) and he dismantled this guys offense, took a punch flush on the back of the head and the chin, got up went 12 rounds to dominate and prove everyone wrong........AND SO NOW HIS PROBLEM IS THAT HE HOLDS TOO MUCH BEFORE HE DECAPITATES HIS OPPONENTS?????
Tell me, whats it going to be next year, the color of his trunks??? People are always finding stuff to hate about this guy.
I remember when Holyfield, my all time favorite fighter, beat Tyson....his strategy was to hold Tyson when he got too close and walk him to the ropes. He did more holding in that fight then Wladimir did in his last two fights yet everyone called Holy a genius for implementing that strategy.
Nothing wrong with disliking a fighter but at least have the nads to admit it.
Yes, your article was one sided, yes everyone can see through it
