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if mcClellan and roy jones fought around the time mcclellan got injured how do u think th fight would have gone. we all know that roy jones has not got the best chin, but it would be hard to catch him with a clean shot. personally i think if mcClellan tagged roy on the chin he wouldnt get back up.
anyone who thinks Roy was chinny back then hasn't taken their medication for the day
RJJ by KO in the 5th...that was easy....Quote:
Originally Posted by TICH
RJJ was always susceptible to the straight right, IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by raleights
McClellan/RJJ like Frazier/Norton would of been a pick-em just on the intangible of both knowing each so well, because they were good friends.
I would not like to of called it; so: McClellan at 160: RJJ at 168...this fence is rather comfortable ;)
Actually when I see McClellan turning up the offense in his fights, he reminds me alot of RJJ
RJJ by ko.
McClennan was one dimentional and could be outboxed. Roy should beat him and outbox him. And if Roy had retired after the first Tarver fight there would be no question who would win.
Roy was susceptible to the straight right?!?! Since when? Versus WHO?Quote:
Originally Posted by Britkid
Roy would have beat the shit outta G-Man....G-Man was mean but he wouldn't touch up a PRIME Roy
That peice of shit mcllelan wouldnt have came close to RJJ
Jones hand speed would get him a points win
Roy Jones was not susceptible to the straight right... he was hardly ever caught by it. He only had troubles with pressure behind a jab, and even then he didn't really have all that much trouble against it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Britkid
Totally agreed again! Roy was just about touching his prime when Benn beat McClellan and was still knocking a lot of guys out around then. In fact the only people he wasn't knocking out were the likes of Toney and Hopkins who are great defensive boxers and virtually impossible to knockout, anyone who just came forward round after round like McClellan did would have been knocked out as Roy is one of the hardest if not the hardest puncher I've ever seen at middle/supermiddleweight and he was almost impossible to catch cleanly plus when you put his handspeed into consideration there surley can only be one outcome Jones KO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Also I knew that McClellan was injured going into the fight with Benn, if I remember rightly he had a blood clot on his brain before the fight (apparently) and it burst during the fight. This travesty should never have happened for a number of reasons and I don't like to hear the G-Mans sisters blaming Benn but when G-Man knocked Benn out of the ring Benn should have been DQ'd because he was helped back into the ring by the ringside observers which is against the rules "Any Pugilist knocked from the ring to the outside must return to the ring unaided" had this rule been followed Gerald may well now be leading a normal life as doctors after the fight should have found the Clot and G-Man would have had to retire.
Going back to the Jones-Gerald "fantasy match" though, I think I better get in that I know G-Man beat Jones as an amateur when they were kids but believe me he would have had slim to no chance as a pro.
Apart from a weight drained Toney (Who Stweard admits G-Man owned in the gym) Jones never fought anyone elite so i cant judge.
Id pick Jones to get flashy but get his china rocked late.
G-Man late KO as Gerald actually fought prime elite fighters and did well with them Roy just didnt fight good fighters so one never knows.
Give me 8wks camp and ill look like Muhammad Ali against some of the guys Jones fought.
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Originally Posted by Lyle
"Roy was susceptible to the straight right?!?! Since when?"
I agree he didnt look look like he had trouble with the right hand.
BUT........ If you fight part-time teachers and trash collectors 90% of the time you look good.
G-Man would smash that chinky jaw to bits, Jones fought 1 elite in his lkike a drained Toney thats it. G-Man was a warrior dont go comparing Jones fake resume/career to a true greats.
ITS BANNABLE!
What Jones never fought an elite fighter?Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus"Roy was susceptible to the straight right?!?! Since when?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
I agree he didnt look look like he had trouble with the right hand.
BUT........ If you fight part-time teachers and trash collectors 90% of the time you look good.
G-Man would smash that chinky jaw to bits, Jones fought 1 elite in his lkike a drained Toney thats it. G-Man was a warrior dont go comparing Jones fake resume/career to a true greats.
ITS BANNABLE!
Toney
Hopkins
Reggie Johnson
Vinnie Pazienza
Mike McCallum
Virgil Hill
Just to mention a few. And who is he fighting next? Oh yes p4p top 10 fighter Joe Calzaghe. I don't know what the writers in the Ring and Boxing news and so on were thinking for almost 10 years when they were regarding him as p4p no1. And then what were they thinking when they awarded him the fighter of the 90s?
Then again MarkusDarkus could you be wrong?
No impossible!
50/50
When did we ever see Jones fight anyone like McClellen?
Like whom?Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
The half-blind, naturally smaller Julian Jackson?
Or a John Mugabi who peaked at 154 and in the mid 80s?
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Originally Posted by rjj tszyuWhat Jones never fought an elite fighter?Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus"Roy was susceptible to the straight right?!?! Since when?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
I agree he didnt look look like he had trouble with the right hand.
BUT........ If you fight part-time teachers and trash collectors 90% of the time you look good.
G-Man would smash that chinky jaw to bits, Jones fought 1 elite in his lkike a drained Toney thats it. G-Man was a warrior dont go comparing Jones fake resume/career to a true greats.
ITS BANNABLE!
Toney
Hopkins
Reggie Johnson
Vinnie Pazienza
Mike McCallum
Virgil Hill
Just to mention a few. And who is he fighting next? Oh yes p4p top 10 fighter Joe Calzaghe. I don't know what the writers in the Ring and Boxing news and so on were thinking for almost 10 years when they were regarding him as p4p no1. And then what were they thinking when they awarded him the fighter of the 90s?
Then again MarkusDarkus could you be wrong?
No impossible!
None of those were remotely elite when Roy fought them.
Him resume is that desperate you even added Vinny Pazienza.
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Originally Posted by Thread StealerLike whom?Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
The half-blind, naturally smaller Julian Jackson?
Or a John Mugabi who peaked at 154 and in the mid 80s?
The versions of Jackson (x2) and Benn he fought were light years ahead of Roys comp even now. A weight drained Toney aside.
Roy Jones pummelled Malinga and stopped him. Yes that the same man who beat Benn up.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkusdarkusQuote:
Originally Posted by Thread StealerLike whom?Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
The half-blind, naturally smaller Julian Jackson?
Or a John Mugabi who peaked at 154 and in the mid 80s?
The versions of Jackson (x2) and Benn he fought were light years ahead of Roys comp even now. A weight drained Toney aside.
Gerald McClellan’s record at Super Middle weight was
Fights = 1
Won = 0 / Lost = 1 / Drawn = 0
They are the facts.
He could not KO Benn who didn't have the greatest chin in the world, but people say Benn was hypnotised by Paul McKenna before the fight. I think they are right because he should have been knocked out by some of the shots he took, but he took them and gave some back, that's the thing with home run hitters like McClellan. You name them, be it, George Foreman, Mike Tyson, Kostya Tszyu or Julian Jackson. They have one thing in common they are great 'On Top' fighters. They are bullies who rely too much on the power. It's a bit like a huge server at tennis. Sure, having a huge serve will win a lot of games and tournaments but it won't be enough to beat the best out there on a consistent basis as he/she does not have an all round game to do so .
I think that's what McClellan and other huge punches find out, that there are also many other fighters out there who have huge ability to take your punch and comeback, and drag you into a war where your power does not mean anything and THEN it’s about heart, courage and desire. Qualities they have never had to use before as there power covered up a lot of fundamental cracks. Maybe McClellan would have KO-ed RJJ but I doubt it, he would have been too fast too sharp and hit too hard for him.
On a final point, I always feel uncomfortable talking about the G-Man. As we all know as I am writing this and you’re reading this he is most likely sitting somewhere in Freeport, Illinois virtually blind, not fully able to walk or fend for himself. His life as a normal functioning human being is over, forever. So to talk about his boxing ability seems some what trivial.
As much as none of us like him, daresay, Antonio Tarver? Glenn Johnson may have a lot of Ls, but I'd put him in the LHW elite. How about Montell Griffin?Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuWhat Jones never fought an elite fighter?Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus"Roy was susceptible to the straight right?!?! Since when?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
I agree he didnt look look like he had trouble with the right hand.
BUT........ If you fight part-time teachers and trash collectors 90% of the time you look good.
G-Man would smash that chinky jaw to bits, Jones fought 1 elite in his lkike a drained Toney thats it. G-Man was a warrior dont go comparing Jones fake resume/career to a true greats.
ITS BANNABLE!
Toney
Hopkins
Reggie Johnson
Vinnie Pazienza
Mike McCallum
Virgil Hill
Just to mention a few. And who is he fighting next? Oh yes p4p top 10 fighter Joe Calzaghe. I don't know what the writers in the Ring and Boxing news and so on were thinking for almost 10 years when they were regarding him as p4p no1. And then what were they thinking when they awarded him the fighter of the 90s?
Then again MarkusDarkus could you be wrong?
No impossible!
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Originally Posted by KillfaceAs much as none of us like him, daresay, Antonio Tarver? Glenn Johnson may have a lot of Ls, but I'd put him in the LHW elite. How about Montell Griffin?Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuWhat Jones never fought an elite fighter?Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
Toney
Hopkins
Reggie Johnson
Vinnie Pazienza
Mike McCallum
Virgil Hill
Just to mention a few. And who is he fighting next? Oh yes p4p top 10 fighter Joe Calzaghe. I don't know what the writers in the Ring and Boxing news and so on were thinking for almost 10 years when they were regarding him as p4p no1. And then what were they thinking when they awarded him the fighter of the 90s?
Then again MarkusDarkus could you be wrong?
No impossible!
I truly believe jones on his day is one of the greatest talents in modern day boxing.
He could fight you at range
He could fight you on the inside
He hit harder than anyone of his generation
He had a great defense
He could throw endless combos without taking a single shot
McClellan was a great great fighter. But both in their prime results in a RJJ stoppage!!
Toney being weight-drained is probably exaggerated. The guy is just lazy in the gym and at the dinner table. All the talk prior to the fight was how Toney had improved being at 168. He was winning his title-fights in much more convincing fashion than at 160, where he had a few close fights where he could've lost. Then after the Jones fight, out comes the weight-draining excuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkusdarkusQuote:
Originally Posted by Thread StealerLike whom?Quote:
Originally Posted by Markusdarkus
The half-blind, naturally smaller Julian Jackson?
Or a John Mugabi who peaked at 154 and in the mid 80s?
The versions of Jackson (x2) and Benn he fought were light years ahead of Roys comp even now. A weight drained Toney aside.
Toney then was much better than the natural 154 lb., detached-retina having Julian Jackson.
Easy win for Jones IMO.;)
Apart from power what has the G-Man got to offer?:confused:
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Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by KillfaceAs much as none of us like him, daresay, Antonio Tarver? Glenn Johnson may have a lot of Ls, but I'd put him in the LHW elite. How about Montell Griffin?Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
I truly believe jones on his day is one of the greatest talents in modern day boxing.
He could fight you at range
He could fight you on the inside
He hit harder than anyone of his generation
He had a great defense
He could throw endless combos without taking a single shot
McClellan was a great great fighter. But both in their prime results in a RJJ stoppage!!
On what basis does Roy stop the G-Man? name one good to great fighter Roy Stopped? you`ll have a job naming a few he beat.
First up, Tyszu-Hatton Benn was not helped back into the ring in anyway at all, watch the tape the staff put there hands up but thats it none of them helped him into the ring, end of story this has cropped up a number of times now and its simply not true. Benn could have been stopped for any number of reasons in round 1 but that isnt one of them.
What does Mcllelan bring to the table ??? Only that he beat RJJ in the amatuers, hardly the sign of a 1 dimensional slugger you lot are making him out to be. So dont be so quick to lick RJJ's balls please and tell me G-man had NO chance.