who wins and y?
i think holmes would pull out a UD over louis
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who wins and y?
i think holmes would pull out a UD over louis
Intresting...
Although I say Louis is/was Greater, one on one, Holmes is that much bigger, and his jab would win him the fight.
But it would not suprise me if either fighter hit the deck, as both had softish chins, for the brilliant level they were at, but both had amazing recovery powers. ;)
Louis was a MUCH greater boxer, but Holmes would win because of the size difference.
I'm banging on about this at the moment but this size difference thing between old & new fighters is a bit of a myth at times. Louis often weighed in at just over 15 stone & a prime Holmes at about 15 stone 5lbs hardly any difference!
I'd pick Louis by late stoppage. Much bigger puncher, faster hands & a great finisher.
I think Harry Greb would win.
Holmes did have the style that could give Louis trouble, but Joe had, by far, the better punch.
Holmes is one of the best BOXERS as a heavyweight while Louis is THE GREATEST heavyweight (sure some people say Ali, I say Louis edges him out given his dominance from 1936 to 1950)....Larry Holmes had a habit of getting caught once or twice in a fight by some guys who were good but not great....I think Louis would hurt him and once you get hurt by 'The Brown Bomber' that was it.
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Originally Posted by rjj tszyu apprentice
Got to agree with this ;)
Louis for me is deffo up there with Ali as GOAT of HW division. I use Louis in FNR4 for my career mode as i feel he has all the attributes to be the best, and more often than not he is ! Fantastic movement and devastating right hand !
Disagree with all. LOL. I'd take Holmes by an easy, wide UD. Louis had great power but you can't hit what you can't see and the fastest oppenent Louis ever faced was Billy Conn and Holmes every bit faster and much bigger than Conn. I think Holmes is the most underrated fighter of all time and I'd pick him to beat ANY heavyweight. With the best left jab in the business and a solid right hand that he showed in the Cooney fight. Holmes would pick Louis apart and keep him at bay with that long jarring jab and setting him up with a big right hand over and over making it look comical.
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Originally Posted by The Fightfan
You lost me when you used Holmes' ko of Cooney as a barometer of how good his power was-
Well said, I mean Joe louis is one of the few old time fighters that were not built up by myth..Most of his fights are available in one form or another for viewing and he has only lost to other greats....1 loss was before his true prime and the other 2 after his best days...all 3 are HOF fighters 1 of the 3 a top 20 atg HW the other a top 5....Even with the bum of the month stint Joe was never in question...Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu apprentice
With that being said it is not as if he would walk over Holmes...Larry is a top 10 ATG HW but like stated he did get caught by lesser fighters when he should not have and if that was to happen against Louis Larry would be on his back for sure...
Joe was a hellafied finisher..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sv1ph-Ecf0
As for size in his prime Larry was 6'3" and went between 220 and 225...Joe was 6'1" and his weight varied but it really was not enough to make a huge difference...The speed of louis would have evened it out
Holmes wins with use of jab to hurt Louis and even stop him late. Louis was the 2nd best heavyweight champion ever but still think he would lose to certain fighters including Tyson early.
.....Louis would CRUSH TysonQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Not if Tyson crushed him first. Louis was a slow starter and had been knocked down early a number of times. Tyson best chances was early and he always started fast. If it did not happen early you could well be right with your opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu apprentice.....Louis would CRUSH TysonQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Max Schmelling found out what a slow starter Louis was when properly motivated. Given who Louis had to defend against, who could blame him for starting a little slow?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterNot if Tyson crushed him first. Louis was a slow starter and had been knocked down early a number of times. Tyson best chances was early and he always started fast. If it did not happen early you could well be right with your opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu apprentice.....Louis would CRUSH TysonQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
And you could count on 1 hand how many times Joe swung and missed with that right cross...he was a master at knowing his range and in my opinion he knew how to box enough to bother Tyson terribly.
Tyson in his prime got the hell rocked out of him by Smith and Bruno....what would happen if Joe dropped a right cross on Tyson's chin?
No shame being wobbled by those two fighters but being knocked down by Two Ton Galanto etc that would be more worrying.
....yeah but how focused would he have to be to defend a title vs that dude? Plus Tony was known to foul quite a bitQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
I think Louis would win as he would eventually get past the jab and when he did his freak power would KO Holmes. Good matchup here though, I like that one.
Love Joe Louis but I'll take Holmes over him any day of the week. We've seen Louis completely outfoxed by guys like Billy Conn and Jersey Joe. Louis was one of the greatest boxer/punchers of all time but I see Larry keeping him off balance like Conn and Jersey Joe did and pumping that sledgehammer jab into Joe's face at will.
Holmes by UD or late stoppage.
Do not think anyone in history can stop a prime Holmes, his chin and recuperative powers were second to none.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
So was Tyson, just a little bit more. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu apprentice....yeah but how focused would he have to be to defend a title vs that dude? Plus Tony was known to foul quite a bitQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
In truth name a HW legend who hasn't been known to foul in thier own way? Probably 90% of them had one trait or another....Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterSo was Tyson, just a little bit more. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu apprentice....yeah but how focused would he have to be to defend a title vs that dude? Plus Tony was known to foul quite a bitQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Tyson followed w the elbow...
Holyfield was king OF THE HEADBUTTS AND ELBOWS...
Ali held and hit behind the head...
Foreman hit behind the head in his first run...
Holmes would keep the stiff arm...
Lennox hit behind the head, used stiff arm held behind the head
The cleanest ones were probably Charles, Tunney, Patterson, Frazier
....in all honesty he lost to Walcott in 1950 and he stopped Conn twiceQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Holmes got lazy in the ring quite a bit and was open to getting rocked and if you're hurt vs Louis you're finished