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How would Hearns do against Wright?
He similar enough to Taylor, but didn't have Taylor's power or chin, though he did have that knockout punch... IMO WInky would beat him with pressure, and have a much easier time against Hearns than he did against the much bigger Taylor.
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He similar enough to Taylor, but didn't have Taylor's power or chin, though he did have that knockout punch... IMO WInky would beat him with pressure, and have a much easier time against Hearns than he did against the much bigger Taylor.
Ha ha - you're funny ! :D
If winky tried to outbox Hearns, he would have been outpinted like everyone else was. Nobody ever outboxed Tommy.
If he tried to pressure him, he would have been kayoed. Hearns kayoed genuine light heavies, never mind blown up junior middles.
Winky is a very good fighter, but Hearns is an all time great.
For Hearns vs Winky, just watch Hearns vs Virgil Hill. Winky fights just like Virgil used to, except he's a lot smaller !!
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He similar enough to Taylor, but didn't have Taylor's power or chin, though he did have that knockout punch... IMO WInky would beat him with pressure, and have a much easier time against Hearns than he did against the much bigger Taylor.
Ha ha - you're funny ! :D
If winky tried to outbox Hearns, he would have been outpinted like everyone else was. Nobody ever outboxed Tommy.
If he tried to pressure him, he would have been kayoed. Hearns kayoed genuine light heavies, never mind blown up junior middles.
Winky is a very good fighter, but Hearns is an all time great.
For Hearns vs Winky, just watch Hearns vs Virgil Hill. Winky fights just like Virgil used to, except he's a lot smaller !!
Who did Hearns fight that could really box besides Leonard? ALso don't be fooled I bet Taylor could knock down plenty of legit lightheavy weights with easy.. Size doesn't necessarily change the quality of chin, and it wasn' the power of Hearns' punches but how that he was tricky in how he threw his right hand. Roy Jones Jr. would out box Hearns. Michael Nunn would have outboxed Hearns. James Toney would have out boxed Hearns. IMO even Hopkins could have found a strategy to outbox Hearns... to say that a boxer can't be outboxed is stupid. Winky is good enough to take Hearns' punches IMO, and he would block almost all of them anyways while he would beat Thomas to the jab because he beats everyone to the jab even Mosley, and then Taylor at 34!!, and Taylor has pretty much the same jab as Hearns, and in many ways the same style, but he is bigger and stronger. ON the other side I think that Hearns had a weak chin and that Winky could hurt him, though not take him out, but in the end frustrate Hearns and beat him handidly because I think that Taylor is a better physical specimen with a similar boxing style, and with nowadays training methods, and Winky still fought him to a draw. Also WInky is easily stronger than almost any middleweight out there... There is almost nobody who can stand up to the barrage he took from Taylor and still come foreward the whole fight.
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He similar enough to Taylor, but didn't have Taylor's power or chin, though he did have that knockout punch... IMO WInky would beat him with pressure, and have a much easier time against Hearns than he did against the much bigger Taylor.
I don't think Taylor has the power to KO lt hw like Hearns DID....Winky is a blown up lt middleweight and he couldn't KO or even Hurt Winky.....Hearns was a master boxer and had a right hand from Hell....and while Taylor might be a great fighter Hearns is a LEGEND.....
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hearns doesnt have the power of JT?? wtf? hearns right hand was one of the most devastating punches pound for pound of all time............
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He similar enough to Taylor, but didn't have Taylor's power or chin, though he did have that knockout punch... IMO WInky would beat him with pressure, and have a much easier time against Hearns than he did against the much bigger Taylor.
Ha ha - you're funny ! :D
If winky tried to outbox Hearns, he would have been outpinted like everyone else was. Nobody ever outboxed Tommy.
If he tried to pressure him, he would have been kayoed. Hearns kayoed genuine light heavies, never mind blown up junior middles.
Winky is a very good fighter, but Hearns is an all time great.
For Hearns vs Winky, just watch Hearns vs Virgil Hill. Winky fights just like Virgil used to, except he's a lot smaller !!
ALso don't be fooled I bet Taylor could knock down plenty of legit lightheavy weights with easy.. Size doesn't necessarily change the quality of chin, and it wasn' the power of Hearns' punches but how that he was tricky in how he threw his right hand. Roy Jones Jr. would out box Hearns. Michael Nunn would have outboxed Hearns. James Toney would have out boxed Hearns. IMO even Hopkins could have found a strategy to outbox Hearns... to say that a boxer can't be outboxed is stupid.
Winky is good enough to take Hearns' punches IMO, and he would block almost all of them anyways while he would beat Thomas to the jab because he beats everyone to the jab even Mosley, and then Taylor at 34!!boxing style, and with nowadays training methods, and Winky still fought him to a draw.
Also WInky is easily stronger than almost any middleweight out there... There is almost nobody who can stand up to the barrage he took from Taylor and still come foreward the whole fight.
Wow, hypocrite.
You say 'to say that a boxer can't be outboxed it stupid', but then you go on to say Winky beats everyone to the jab, therefore he'd beat Tommy to the jab. Double standards there. THAT, my friend, IS stupid.
Hearns was quicker AND sharper with the jab than Winky. And I'd hazzard to say he was harder with it.
Taylor couldn't stop a shopworn, blown up light-middleweight in Raul Marquez (who Vargas stopped, AT the Texans preferred weight) so I wouldn't fancy him to knock out any light-heavyweight actually.
As for the guys you mentioned who'd outbox Hearns? Well, I would give RJJ a shot, prime RJJ...And maybe Hopkins, though that would be close. As for Nunn, no way. Tommy would blast him into orbit. He does everything better. Toney? That'd be interesting. I'm a big fan of James, but even I would disagree that he'd outbox a prime Hitman Hearns. Hearns would have reach advantages, and that could look like the Jones Jr.-Toney fight at times, though admittedly that could be close.
Overall I think your post is very harsh on a magnificent all-time legend in Hearns.
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He similar enough to Taylor, but didn't have Taylor's power or chin, though he did have that knockout punch... IMO WInky would beat him with pressure, and have a much easier time against Hearns than he did against the much bigger Taylor.
Ha ha - you're funny ! :D
If winky tried to outbox Hearns, he would have been outpinted like everyone else was. Nobody ever outboxed Tommy.
If he tried to pressure him, he would have been kayoed. Hearns kayoed genuine light heavies, never mind blown up junior middles.
Winky is a very good fighter, but Hearns is an all time great.
For Hearns vs Winky, just watch Hearns vs Virgil Hill. Winky fights just like Virgil used to, except he's a lot smaller !!
Who did Hearns fight that could really box besides Leonard? ALso don't be fooled I bet Taylor could knock down plenty of legit lightheavy weights with easy.. Size doesn't necessarily change the quality of chin, and it wasn' the power of Hearns' punches but how that he was tricky in how he threw his right hand. Roy Jones Jr. would out box Hearns. Michael Nunn would have outboxed Hearns. James Toney would have out boxed Hearns. IMO even Hopkins could have found a strategy to outbox Hearns... to say that a boxer can't be outboxed is stupid. Winky is good enough to take Hearns' punches IMO, and he would block almost all of them anyways while he would beat Thomas to the jab because he beats everyone to the jab even Mosley, and then Taylor at 34!!, and Taylor has pretty much the same jab as Hearns, and in many ways the same style, but he is bigger and stronger. ON the other side I think that Hearns had a weak chin and that Winky could hurt him, though not take him out, but in the end frustrate Hearns and beat him handidly because I think that Taylor is a better physical specimen with a similar boxing style, and with nowadays training methods, and Winky still fought him to a draw. Also WInky is easily stronger than almost any middleweight out there... There is almost nobody who can stand up to the barrage he took from Taylor and still come foreward the whole fight.
Disagree and i dont see winky as a strong middleweight
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He similar enough to Taylor, but didn't have Taylor's power or chin, though he did have that knockout punch... IMO WInky would beat him with pressure, and have a much easier time against Hearns than he did against the much bigger Taylor.
Ha ha - you're funny ! :D
If winky tried to outbox Hearns, he would have been outpinted like everyone else was. Nobody ever outboxed Tommy.
If he tried to pressure him, he would have been kayoed. Hearns kayoed genuine light heavies, never mind blown up junior middles.
Winky is a very good fighter, but Hearns is an all time great.
For Hearns vs Winky, just watch Hearns vs Virgil Hill. Winky fights just like Virgil used to, except he's a lot smaller !!
Who did Hearns fight that could really box besides Leonard? ALso don't be fooled I bet Taylor could knock down plenty of legit lightheavy weights with easy.. Size doesn't necessarily change the quality of chin, and it wasn' the power of Hearns' punches but how that he was tricky in how he threw his right hand. Roy Jones Jr. would out box Hearns. Michael Nunn would have outboxed Hearns. James Toney would have out boxed Hearns. IMO even Hopkins could have found a strategy to outbox Hearns... to say that a boxer can't be outboxed is stupid. Winky is good enough to take Hearns' punches IMO, and he would block almost all of them anyways while he would beat Thomas to the jab because he beats everyone to the jab even Mosley, and then Taylor at 34!!, and Taylor has pretty much the same jab as Hearns, and in many ways the same style, but he is bigger and stronger. ON the other side I think that Hearns had a weak chin and that Winky could hurt him, though not take him out, but in the end frustrate Hearns and beat him handidly because I think that Taylor is a better physical specimen with a similar boxing style, and with nowadays training methods, and Winky still fought him to a draw. Also WInky is easily stronger than almost any middleweight out there... There is almost nobody who can stand up to the barrage he took from Taylor and still come foreward the whole fight.
Good debate, I'll try and answer your points in order:
- Hearns fought many good boxers, such as Virgil Hill (who I've already mentioned), Michael Olajide, Ray Leonard, Marvin hagler, Duran (he outboxed Leonard as well), and Wilfred Benitez, who was a very very skilled boxer. He outboxed them all.
- I definitely did not say that Hearns could not be outboxed, which would be stupid (I agree with you there) I said that he was never outboxed in his career.
- I wasa great fan of hearms and watched most of his fights, just like I've watched most of Toneys, most of RJJ's etc. Nunn would not have outboxed Tommy IMO/ I think that Toney and Jones would have given him a really good fight, but not by winning pitty-pat on points.
- I said that Hearns would outpint Winky, not outpoint him. This revolves around a drinking contest (only joking ;))
- Winky could not have taken Hearns' best punches, I don't think. Tommy did really have a devastating right hand and nobody apart from Hagler stood up to it (but don't forget that Hagler was on the verge of being stoppe on cuts when he did kayo Tommy)
- I don't agree that Taylor has the same style as Hearns, nor that he is bigger and stronger? I think he is good but he has a lot to prove yet.
- You are right about Hearn's chin - he was susceptible to getting caught, so Winky's best route to win this one would be to catch Tommy.
I am never going to agree with you on this one, but am not taking the piss or giving you shit because I do think that Winky is a very good fighter and might belong in the same ring as hearns (but only when we can look back on his whole career like we can on Tommy's)
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I think Hearns right would get through and Winky would be stopped late on.
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Ok let me explain the difference between being power, and having a knock out punch... Even Steward said that Hearns didn't have all that much power, but he knew when to use his right hand, and could land it well... He doens't have to hit as hard to be a knockout puncher ...i ts more about placement, timing, and the opponent not seeing it, and he was the master of that, but Winky IMO could take his punch if Leonard could.
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He similar enough to Taylor, but didn't have Taylor's power or chin, though he did have that knockout punch... IMO WInky would beat him with pressure, and have a much easier time against Hearns than he did against the much bigger Taylor.
Ha ha - you're funny ! :D
If winky tried to outbox Hearns, he would have been outpinted like everyone else was. Nobody ever outboxed Tommy.
If he tried to pressure him, he would have been kayoed. Hearns kayoed genuine light heavies, never mind blown up junior middles.
Winky is a very good fighter, but Hearns is an all time great.
For Hearns vs Winky, just watch Hearns vs Virgil Hill. Winky fights just like Virgil used to, except he's a lot smaller !!
ALso don't be fooled I bet Taylor could knock down plenty of legit lightheavy weights with easy.. Size doesn't necessarily change the quality of chin, and it wasn' the power of Hearns' punches but how that he was tricky in how he threw his right hand. Roy Jones Jr. would out box Hearns. Michael Nunn would have outboxed Hearns. James Toney would have out boxed Hearns. IMO even Hopkins could have found a strategy to outbox Hearns... to say that a boxer can't be outboxed is stupid.
Winky is good enough to take Hearns' punches IMO, and he would block almost all of them anyways while he would beat Thomas to the jab because he beats everyone to the jab even Mosley, and then Taylor at 34!!boxing style, and with nowadays training methods, and Winky still fought him to a draw.
Also WInky is easily stronger than almost any middleweight out there... There is almost nobody who can stand up to the barrage he took from Taylor and still come foreward the whole fight.
Wow, hypocrite.
You say 'to say that a boxer can't be outboxed it stupid', but then you go on to say Winky beats everyone to the jab, therefore he'd beat Tommy to the jab. Double standards there. THAT, my friend, IS stupid.
Hearns was quicker AND sharper with the jab than Winky. And I'd hazzard to say he was harder with it.
Taylor couldn't stop a shopworn, blown up light-middleweight in Raul Marquez (who Vargas stopped, AT the Texans preferred weight) so I wouldn't fancy him to knock out any light-heavyweight actually.
As for the guys you mentioned who'd outbox Hearns? Well, I would give RJJ a shot, prime RJJ...And maybe Hopkins, though that would be close. As for Nunn, no way. Tommy would blast him into orbit. He does everything better. Toney? That'd be interesting. I'm a big fan of James, but even I would disagree that he'd outbox a prime Hitman Hearns. Hearns would have reach advantages, and that could look like the Jones Jr.-Toney fight at times, though admittedly that could be close.
Overall I think your post is very harsh on a magnificent all-time legend in Hearns.
Its match-up issue IMO is why Hearns would lose... it has nothing to do wiht who's the better boxer(thoguh I think he is as well)... The reason why Wright beats people to the jab is because nobody up until now has been able to block his jab, while he's been able to nullify theirs... I am being general saying he will beat anybody to the jab I mean he has beaten everyone heh as of yet he's foughten to the jab including a guys way faster than Hearns(Mosley, Robert Frazier, etc.). He has done it many times. What well known BOXER has Hearns outboxed either than Leonard who IMO was fast enough to fight on the outside against sluggers, but would have trouble against anyone with a Hearns, Lennox Lewis, Jermain Taylor type of style. Also Hearns at welterweight didn't have a faster jab than Winky at light middleweight. Even if he did it wouldn't matter unless he was Mayweather quick at getting in and out otherwise even people like Taylor who has a jab at least as good as Hearns' was largely nullified by the likes of Wright because of Wright's timing and the repetitiveness of his jab.
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Please.
Mosley way faster than Hearns? The chunky 154Lbs version of Mosley, who hadn't claimed a convincing victory in three years when Winky caught him? I don't think so.
Winky is a great jabber. I'm not arguing that. And he can counter wonderfully. But Hearns was EXCEPTIONALLY difficult to counter. He darted in and out quickly, on his toes always, moving left and right, poking you with the jab, dropping in the big right hand counter, flurrying. I think you're truly underestimating Tommy here. Winky looked great against Shane because, as I said, Shane was on a bad run, up at an uncomfortable weight, and he CAME STRAIGHT FORWARD. Wink just covered up and outworked him, Shane was wide open for the jab. Tommy is a completely different ball game.
Tommy presents a different challenge than Taylor. Watch the two. Hearns is superb. Taylor is very good.
It's easy to ask 'what known boxer has Tommy outboxed'? What known boxer has Winky outboxed?! He certainly didn't outbox Taylor, that was a real close fight. That point is irrelevant. We KNOW Wink is a great boxer and we know Tommy was too.
WHAT THE HELL? Winky has a a faster jab than Hearns? No way. I have to completely disagree with you there. I've never been like 'Wow, Winks jab is super fast'. When I watch Tommy's that's what I'm thinking.
And Taylor's jab is good, though not as good or as fast as Tommys, and not as sharp. And like I said, he was nullified where Hearns would not be, because the Hitman darts in and out and has great lateral movement. Plus, I don't think Hearns would even need to dance. He steps in with a few well timed, connected right hands Winky is getting smoked.
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He similar enough to Taylor, but didn't have Taylor's power or chin, though he did have that knockout punch... IMO WInky would beat him with pressure, and have a much easier time against Hearns than he did against the much bigger Taylor.
Ha ha - you're funny ! :D
If winky tried to outbox Hearns, he would have been outpinted like everyone else was. Nobody ever outboxed Tommy.
If he tried to pressure him, he would have been kayoed. Hearns kayoed genuine light heavies, never mind blown up junior middles.
Winky is a very good fighter, but Hearns is an all time great.
For Hearns vs Winky, just watch Hearns vs Virgil Hill. Winky fights just like Virgil used to, except he's a lot smaller !!
Interesting comparison Wright to Hill. Wright does though the str8 right more ( in his case the str8 left) interesting read
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He similar enough to Taylor, but didn't have Taylor's power or chin, though he did have that knockout punch... IMO WInky would beat him with pressure, and have a much easier time against Hearns than he did against the much bigger Taylor.
Look at Hearns-Benitez fight and that is wha you would have seen in Hearns-Wright
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At this point in there careers, a prime Hearns would take both Wright and Taylor. How about SRL vs. Taylor or Wright?
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At this point in there careers, a prime Hearns would take both Wright and Taylor. How about SRL vs. Taylor or Wright?
SRL in his prime was just too sweet! He old schools the sh#& out of both of them, imo!
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Look at Hearns-Benitez fight and that is wha you would have seen in Hearns-Wright
Beat me to it [click] ;)
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At this point in there careers, a prime Hearns would take both Wright and Taylor. How about SRL vs. Taylor or Wright?
SRL in his prime was just too sweet! He old schools the sh#& out of both of them, imo!
to fast and too slick...besides Taylor isn't as dominating a puncher as Hagler and Winky isn't as slick as Hearns(nor does he have that lights out power of Hearns either)....SRL whips both of them....next question.....:)
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At this point in there careers, a prime Hearns would take both Wright and Taylor. How about SRL vs. Taylor or Wright?
SRL in his prime was just too sweet! He old schools the sh#& out of both of them, imo!
to fast and too slick...besides Taylor isn't as dominating a puncher as Hagler and Winky isn't as slick as Hearns(nor does he have that lights out power of Hearns either)....SRL whips both of them....next question.....:)
SRL got gift decisons against Hagler and Hearns (second time). Say what you like, I will go to my deathbed believing that.
Every time I see the fights, nthing changes my tiny little mind.
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At this point in there careers, a prime Hearns would take both Wright and Taylor. How about SRL vs. Taylor or Wright?
SRL in his prime was just too sweet! He old schools the sh#& out of both of them, imo!
to fast and too slick...besides Taylor isn't as dominating a puncher as Hagler and Winky isn't as slick as Hearns(nor does he have that lights out power of Hearns either)....SRL whips both of them....next question.....:)
SRL got gift decisons against Hagler and Hearns (second time). Say what you like, I will go to my deathbed believing that.
Every time I see the fights, nthing changes my tiny little mind.
so will I my friend.......but what I was trying to say was SRL made it the distance with those two and by doing that alone make him better than Winky or Taylor.....HAGLER WAS ROBBED!!!!!!!!!!! SO WAS HEARNS!!!!!!!!
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SRL in his prime was just too sweet! He old schools the sh#& out of both of them, imo!
to fast and too slick...besides Taylor isn't as dominating a puncher as Hagler and Winky isn't as slick as Hearns(nor does he have that lights out power of Hearns either)....SRL whips both of them....next question.....:)
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SRL got gift decisons against Hagler and Hearns (second time). Say what you like, I will go to my deathbed believing that.
Every time I see the fights, nthing changes my tiny little mind.
[/quote]so will I my friend.......but what I was trying to say was SRL made it the distance with those two and by doing that alone make him better than Winky or Taylor.....HAGLER WAS ROBBED!!!!!!!!!!! SO WAS HEARNS!!!!!!!!
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Oh, I see - sorry about that. I misunderstood you to be saying that SRL whips Hagler and Hearns, when what you are saying is that he whips Winky and Taylor?
humble aplogies - I agree with you, in that case!!
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I still have to disagree I am one of those people (who I hate to say it, but I am right) THat technology gets, better people are faster, stronger, and bigger than they've ever been, and IMO I can't see the fantastic four sticking up to even the best guys nowadays.
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I still have to disagree I am one of those people (who I hate to say it, but I am right) THat technology gets, better people are faster, stronger, and bigger than they've ever been, and IMO I can't see the fantastic four sticking up to even the best guys nowadays.
Its not as if these guys fought in the 1920's or something. This was the 80's, and its not like the heavies where the weights have changed. Even Taylor's trainer Emmanuel Steward said that Hearns was still much better than Taylor.
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teath,, how can you ask who has Hearns fought who was a boxer?? Hearns fought Benitez and Leonard and Hill. 3 of the best boxers in the last 20 years. And he outboxed Hill and Benitez easily. You don't think he would outbox Winky? Winky is good only because of the lesser quality of guys now. I think Hearns would have had an easy fight with Winky and outboxed him. I do not think Tommy would have knocked him out, I just think Tommy outboxes him and wins an easy decision. Among all the great fighters, Hearns has probably the best resume of anyone. asking who has Hearns fought proves you are not from the Hearns era. You are obviously in your 20s and don't remember Tommy. The man was lean and fast and powerful. You youngsters should study tapes..
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teath,, how can you ask who has Hearns fought who was a boxer??   Hearns fought Benitez and Leonard and Hill. 3 of the best boxers in the last 20 years. And he outboxed Hill and Benitez easily. You don't think he would outbox Winky?  Winky is good only because of the lesser quality of guys now. I think Hearns would have had an easy fight with Winky and outboxed him. I do not think Tommy would have knocked him out, I just think Tommy outboxes him and wins an easy decision. Among all the great fighters, Hearns has probably the best resume of anyone. asking who has Hearns fought proves you are not from the Hearns era. You are obviously in your 20s and don't remember Tommy.  The man was lean and fast and powerful. You youngsters should study tapes..
well im 17 i do study the tapes i think hearns wins easy too strong too fast he would outbox winky for easy 12 ud
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At this point in there careers, a prime Hearns would take both Wright and Taylor. How about SRL vs. Taylor or Wright?
SRL in his prime was just too sweet! He old schools the sh#& out of both of them, imo!
to fast and too slick...besides Taylor isn't as dominating a puncher as Hagler and Winky isn't as slick as Hearns(nor does he have that lights out power of Hearns either)....SRL whips both of them....next question.....:)
SRL got gift decisons against Hagler and Hearns (second time). Say what you like, I will go to my deathbed believing that.
Every time I see the fights, nthing changes my tiny little mind.
so will I my friend.......but what I was trying to say was SRL made it the distance with those two and by doing that alone make him better than Winky or Taylor.....HAGLER WAS ROBBED!!!!!!!!!!! SO WAS HEARNS!!!!!!!!
hagler wasnt robbed he lost first 4 rounds and no way hagler won next 7 or 8 i had it for leonard 7 rounds to 5 leonard threw more and landed more in 2nd hearns fight and could of been scored 10 8 round in 5th round i had hearns winning but i had it closer last time i watched it
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Well Ice Cold. I did not mean you but thanks for answering. Sounds like you know alot about boxing. You study alot of old tapes? I have been watching alot on youtube. Man there are alot of them on there now. Alot of Hagler and Hearns and Duran and Leonard.
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Well Ice Cold. I did not mean you but thanks for answering. Sounds like you know alot about boxing. You study alot of old tapes? I have been watching alot on youtube. Man there are alot of them on there now. Alot of Hagler and Hearns and Duran and Leonard.
same here mate someone had some good videos on myspace dwight vs holyfield greatest cruiserweight and some real classics shame he took them off
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I saw that fight live the Holyfield/Qawi. And at the time I was just 21 years old I think (1986?),, and I thought Holyfield fought great but I thought he would never recover-since I thought he put too much out and would be finished. He fought his heart out and I think he only had 12 fights at the time. Shows you how alot of boxing is mental.
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I saw that fight live the Holyfield/Qawi. And at the time I was just 21 years old I think (1986?),, and I thought Holyfield fought great but I thought he would never recover-since I thought he put too much out and would be finished. He fought his heart out and I think he only had 12 fights at the time. Shows you how alot of boxing is mental.
yea mate one of best slugfets ive ever seen i want to try and get it for myself now
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Re: How would Hearns do against Wright?
About as well as Trinidad.
Wright's style would frustrate Hearns into making a lot of mistakes & going for the drop.
Truthfully...I think that Wright's style would give the majority of the 80's bwoy's lots of trouble.
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About as well as Trinidad.
Wright's style would frustrate Hearns into making a lot of mistakes & going for the drop.
Truthfully...I think that Wright's style would give the majority of the 80's bwoy's lots of trouble.
I agree with you, Wright makes you do things you don't want to do, and then he makes you pay for it. A good technically solid southpaw is very dangerous.
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Re: How would Hearns do against Wright?
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
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About as well as Trinidad.
Wright's style would frustrate Hearns into making a lot of mistakes & going for the drop.
Truthfully...I think that Wright's style would give the majority of the 80's bwoy's lots of trouble.
I agree with you, Wright makes you do things you don't want to do, and then he makes you pay for it. A good technically solid southpaw is very dangerous.
:coolclick: to that. I agree 100% on the fact that a good technically solid southpaw is very dangerous.
The thing about Wright is that he's able to come off effectively & he's very fluid behind his guard.
The only one that I think would maybe MAYBE be able to work through Wright would be Hagler.
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Re: How would Hearns do against Wright?
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
About as well as Trinidad.
Wright's style would frustrate Hearns into making a lot of mistakes & going for the drop.
Truthfully...I think that Wright's style would give the majority of the 80's bwoy's lots of trouble.
I agree with you, Wright makes you do things you don't want to do, and then he makes you pay for it. A good technically solid southpaw is very dangerous.
:coolclick: to that. I agree 100% on the fact that a good technically solid southpaw is very dangerous.
The thing about Wright is that he's able to come off effectively & he's very fluid behind his guard.
The only one that I think would maybe MAYBE be able to work through Wright would be Hagler.
I concur , Haglar was a very explosive southpaw , and had a terrific beard . :coolclick:
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Re: How would Hearns do against Wright?
wright hasnt got great power though so i doubt he could ko hearns i feel hearns height reach speed power and jab would get the job done
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Re: How would Hearns do against Wright?
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
About as well as Trinidad.
Wright's style would frustrate Hearns into making a lot of mistakes & going for the drop.
Truthfully...I think that Wright's style would give the majority of the 80's bwoy's lots of trouble.
Seriously..... Reconsider that statement at least. Trinidad was absolutely and thouroughly shut out. He was never even in the fight. Think about the tools Hearns had compared to Trinidad. What a ridiulous statement.
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Re: How would Hearns do against Wright?
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
About as well as Trinidad.
Wright's style would frustrate Hearns into making a lot of mistakes & going for the drop.
Truthfully...I think that Wright's style would give the majority of the 80's bwoy's lots of trouble.
Seriously..... Reconsider that statement at least. Trinidad was absolutely and thouroughly shut out. He was never even in the fight. Think about the tools Hearns had compared to Trinidad. What a ridiulous statement.
yes agreed like i said in other post hearns is alot taller stronger and well more speed wrights great defence wouldnt help him much im afraid hearns would outbox him for comfortable 12 round decsion
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Re: How would Hearns do against Wright?
It's just the fact that they have so little in common. Hearns was twice the fighter TRinidad was. Especially at 160. Too many people have been comparing them for whatever reason lately and it's annoying. Tito didn't have the same kind of jab, was nowhere near as fast or polished, didn't have the reach or fundamental skills. He had natural power and a less than stellar chin so people compare him to Hearns when the fact is Thommy wasn't even naturally powerful he just knew how to use his right hand perfectly. He wasn't a brawler like Trinidad. It's just such a moot point to compare them in any way.. And anyone who thinks Hearns at his peak would do "about as well as Trinidad" against WRight, are dillusional. That wasn't even Tito close to his best, not that it would have made much difference Ill admit to that.. But HEarns jab would cause all kinds of problems for Winky, though I would personally consider it about a toss up.
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Re: How would Hearns do against Wright?
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Originally Posted by p4pking
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
About as well as Trinidad.
Wright's style would frustrate Hearns into making a lot of mistakes & going for the drop.
Truthfully...I think that Wright's style would give the majority of the 80's bwoy's lots of trouble.
Seriously..... Reconsider that statement at least. Trinidad was absolutely and thouroughly shut out. He was never even in the fight. Think about the tools Hearns had compared to Trinidad. What a ridiulous statement.
Reconsider? Why...because you didn't make the statement?
I didn't compare Hearns to Trinidad. The question was...How would Hearns do against Wright?
About as well as Trinidad...that was the answer...not Hearns is like Trinidad. Don't start pointing the delusional finger at anyone but yourself...check it in the mirror, babe.
Before you go getting all hot & bothered...think before you post something as wack as this:
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And anyone who thinks Hearns at his peak would do "about as well as Trinidad" against WRight, are dillusional. That wasn't even Tito close to his best, not that it would have made much difference Ill admit to that.. But HEarns jab would cause all kinds of problems for Winky, though I would personally consider it about a toss up.
Hearns jab would have to make it through a much more advanced guard than any one that he had ever faced.
Wright would frustrate Hearns & negate his jab just like he does pretty much everyone that he faces.
Again...Wacko never said that Hearns & Tito should be compared...Wacko simply stated: About as well as Trinidad.
Wright's style would frustrate Hearns into making a lot of mistakes & going for the drop.
Truthfully...I think that Wright's style would give the majority of the 80's bwoy's lots of trouble.
Hearns was one of my favorites back in the day...I think everyone knows that I view Trinidad as a one dimensional power puncher. Tito's jab failed him & he wasn't able to get anything else through the guard either.
