How would Hearns do against Wright?

[Taeth]

He similar enough to Taylor, but didn't have Taylor's power or chin, though he did have that knockout punch... IMO WInky would beat him with pressure, and have a much easier time against Hearns than he did against the much bigger Taylor.

[LarryB]

Hearns would beat him

[X]

He similar enough to Taylor, but didn't have Taylor's power or chin, though he did have that knockout punch... IMO WInky would beat him with pressure, and have a much easier time against Hearns than he did against the much bigger Taylor.

Ha ha - you're funny !

If winky tried to outbox Hearns, he would have been outpinted like everyone else was. Nobody ever outboxed Tommy.

If he tried to pressure him, he would have been kayoed. Hearns kayoed genuine light heavies, never mind blown up junior middles.

Winky is a very good fighter, but Hearns is an all time great.

For Hearns vs Winky, just watch Hearns vs Virgil Hill. Winky fights just like Virgil used to, except he's a lot smaller !!

[Taeth]

He similar enough to Taylor, but didn't have Taylor's power or chin, though he did have that knockout punch... IMO WInky would beat him with pressure, and have a much easier time against Hearns than he did against the much bigger Taylor.

Ha ha - you're funny !

If winky tried to outbox Hearns, he would have been outpinted like everyone else was. Nobody ever outboxed Tommy.

If he tried to pressure him, he would have been kayoed. Hearns kayoed genuine light heavies, never mind blown up junior middles.

Winky is a very good fighter, but Hearns is an all time great.

For Hearns vs Winky, just watch Hearns vs Virgil Hill. Winky fights just like Virgil used to, except he's a lot smaller !!

Who did Hearns fight that could really box besides Leonard? ALso don't be fooled I bet Taylor could knock down plenty of legit lightheavy weights with easy.. Size doesn't necessarily change the quality of chin, and it wasn' the power of Hearns' punches but how that he was tricky in how he threw his right hand. Roy Jones Jr. would out box Hearns. Michael Nunn would have outboxed Hearns. James Toney would have out boxed Hearns. IMO even Hopkins could have found a strategy to outbox Hearns... to say that a boxer can't be outboxed is stupid. Winky is good enough to take Hearns' punches IMO, and he would block almost all of them anyways while he would beat Thomas to the jab because he beats everyone to the jab even Mosley, and then Taylor at 34!!, and Taylor has pretty much the same jab as Hearns, and in many ways the same style, but he is bigger and stronger. ON the other side I think that Hearns had a weak chin and that Winky could hurt him, though not take him out, but in the end frustrate Hearns and beat him handidly because I think that Taylor is a better physical specimen with a similar boxing style, and with nowadays training methods, and Winky still fought him to a draw. Also WInky is easily stronger than almost any middleweight out there... There is almost nobody who can stand up to the barrage he took from Taylor and still come foreward the whole fight.

[bigragu]

He similar enough to Taylor, but didn't have Taylor's power or chin, though he did have that knockout punch... IMO WInky would beat him with pressure, and have a much easier time against Hearns than he did against the much bigger Taylor.

I don't think Taylor has the power to KO lt hw like Hearns DID....Winky is a blown up lt middleweight and he couldn't KO or even Hurt Winky.....Hearns was a master boxer and had a right hand from Hell....and while Taylor might be a great fighter Hearns is a LEGEND.....

[LawHoops]

hearns doesnt have the power of JT?? wtf? hearns right hand was one of the most devastating punches pound for pound of all time............

[The_Mac10]

He similar enough to Taylor, but didn't have Taylor's power or chin, though he did have that knockout punch... IMO WInky would beat him with pressure, and have a much easier time against Hearns than he did against the much bigger Taylor.

Ha ha - you're funny !

If winky tried to outbox Hearns, he would have been outpinted like everyone else was. Nobody ever outboxed Tommy.

If he tried to pressure him, he would have been kayoed. Hearns kayoed genuine light heavies, never mind blown up junior middles.

Winky is a very good fighter, but Hearns is an all time great.

For Hearns vs Winky, just watch Hearns vs Virgil Hill. Winky fights just like Virgil used to, except he's a lot smaller !!

ALso don't be fooled I bet Taylor could knock down plenty of legit lightheavy weights with easy.. Size doesn't necessarily change the quality of chin, and it wasn' the power of Hearns' punches but how that he was tricky in how he threw his right hand. Roy Jones Jr. would out box Hearns. Michael Nunn would have outboxed Hearns. James Toney would have out boxed Hearns. IMO even Hopkins could have found a strategy to outbox Hearns... to say that a boxer can't be outboxed is stupid.

Winky is good enough to take Hearns' punches IMO, and he would block almost all of them anyways while he would beat Thomas to the jab because he beats everyone to the jab even Mosley, and then Taylor at 34!!boxing style, and with nowadays training methods, and Winky still fought him to a draw.

Also WInky is easily stronger than almost any middleweight out there... There is almost nobody who can stand up to the barrage he took from Taylor and still come foreward the whole fight.

Wow, hypocrite.

You say 'to say that a boxer can't be outboxed it stupid', but then you go on to say Winky beats everyone to the jab, therefore he'd beat Tommy to the jab. Double standards there. THAT, my friend, IS stupid.

Hearns was quicker AND sharper with the jab than Winky. And I'd hazzard to say he was harder with it.

Taylor couldn't stop a shopworn, blown up light-middleweight in Raul Marquez (who Vargas stopped, AT the Texans preferred weight) so I wouldn't fancy him to knock out any light-heavyweight actually.

As for the guys you mentioned who'd outbox Hearns? Well, I would give RJJ a shot, prime RJJ...And maybe Hopkins, though that would be close. As for Nunn, no way. Tommy would blast him into orbit. He does everything better. Toney? That'd be interesting. I'm a big fan of James, but even I would disagree that he'd outbox a prime Hitman Hearns. Hearns would have reach advantages, and that could look like the Jones Jr.-Toney fight at times, though admittedly that could be close.

Overall I think your post is very harsh on a magnificent all-time legend in Hearns.

[LarryB]

He similar enough to Taylor, but didn't have Taylor's power or chin, though he did have that knockout punch... IMO WInky would beat him with pressure, and have a much easier time against Hearns than he did against the much bigger Taylor.

Ha ha - you're funny !

If winky tried to outbox Hearns, he would have been outpinted like everyone else was. Nobody ever outboxed Tommy.

If he tried to pressure him, he would have been kayoed. Hearns kayoed genuine light heavies, never mind blown up junior middles.

Winky is a very good fighter, but Hearns is an all time great.

For Hearns vs Winky, just watch Hearns vs Virgil Hill. Winky fights just like Virgil used to, except he's a lot smaller !!

Who did Hearns fight that could really box besides Leonard? ALso don't be fooled I bet Taylor could knock down plenty of legit lightheavy weights with easy.. Size doesn't necessarily change the quality of chin, and it wasn' the power of Hearns' punches but how that he was tricky in how he threw his right hand. Roy Jones Jr. would out box Hearns. Michael Nunn would have outboxed Hearns. James Toney would have out boxed Hearns. IMO even Hopkins could have found a strategy to outbox Hearns... to say that a boxer can't be outboxed is stupid. Winky is good enough to take Hearns' punches IMO, and he would block almost all of them anyways while he would beat Thomas to the jab because he beats everyone to the jab even Mosley, and then Taylor at 34!!, and Taylor has pretty much the same jab as Hearns, and in many ways the same style, but he is bigger and stronger. ON the other side I think that Hearns had a weak chin and that Winky could hurt him, though not take him out, but in the end frustrate Hearns and beat him handidly because I think that Taylor is a better physical specimen with a similar boxing style, and with nowadays training methods, and Winky still fought him to a draw. Also WInky is easily stronger than almost any middleweight out there... There is almost nobody who can stand up to the barrage he took from Taylor and still come foreward the whole fight.

Disagree and i dont see winky as a strong middleweight

[X]

He similar enough to Taylor, but didn't have Taylor's power or chin, though he did have that knockout punch... IMO WInky would beat him with pressure, and have a much easier time against Hearns than he did against the much bigger Taylor.

Ha ha - you're funny !

If winky tried to outbox Hearns, he would have been outpinted like everyone else was. Nobody ever outboxed Tommy.

If he tried to pressure him, he would have been kayoed. Hearns kayoed genuine light heavies, never mind blown up junior middles.

Winky is a very good fighter, but Hearns is an all time great.

For Hearns vs Winky, just watch Hearns vs Virgil Hill. Winky fights just like Virgil used to, except he's a lot smaller !!

Who did Hearns fight that could really box besides Leonard? ALso don't be fooled I bet Taylor could knock down plenty of legit lightheavy weights with easy.. Size doesn't necessarily change the quality of chin, and it wasn' the power of Hearns' punches but how that he was tricky in how he threw his right hand. Roy Jones Jr. would out box Hearns. Michael Nunn would have outboxed Hearns. James Toney would have out boxed Hearns. IMO even Hopkins could have found a strategy to outbox Hearns... to say that a boxer can't be outboxed is stupid. Winky is good enough to take Hearns' punches IMO, and he would block almost all of them anyways while he would beat Thomas to the jab because he beats everyone to the jab even Mosley, and then Taylor at 34!!, and Taylor has pretty much the same jab as Hearns, and in many ways the same style, but he is bigger and stronger. ON the other side I think that Hearns had a weak chin and that Winky could hurt him, though not take him out, but in the end frustrate Hearns and beat him handidly because I think that Taylor is a better physical specimen with a similar boxing style, and with nowadays training methods, and Winky still fought him to a draw. Also WInky is easily stronger than almost any middleweight out there... There is almost nobody who can stand up to the barrage he took from Taylor and still come foreward the whole fight.

Good debate, I'll try and answer your points in order:

- Hearns fought many good boxers, such as Virgil Hill (who I've already mentioned), Michael Olajide, Ray Leonard, Marvin hagler, Duran (he outboxed Leonard as well), and Wilfred Benitez, who was a very very skilled boxer. He outboxed them all.

- I definitely did not say that Hearns could not be outboxed, which would be stupid (I agree with you there) I said that he was never outboxed in his career.

- I wasa great fan of hearms and watched most of his fights, just like I've watched most of Toneys, most of RJJ's etc. Nunn would not have outboxed Tommy IMO/ I think that Toney and Jones would have given him a really good fight, but not by winning pitty-pat on points.

- I said that Hearns would outpint Winky, not outpoint him. This revolves around a drinking contest (only joking )

- Winky could not have taken Hearns' best punches, I don't think. Tommy did really have a devastating right hand and nobody apart from Hagler stood up to it (but don't forget that Hagler was on the verge of being stoppe on cuts when he did kayo Tommy)

- I don't agree that Taylor has the same style as Hearns, nor that he is bigger and stronger? I think he is good but he has a lot to prove yet.

- You are right about Hearn's chin - he was susceptible to getting caught, so Winky's best route to win this one would be to catch Tommy.

I am never going to agree with you on this one, but am not taking the piss or giving you shit because I do think that Winky is a very good fighter and might belong in the same ring as hearns (but only when we can look back on his whole career like we can on Tommy's)

[cockey cockney]

I think Hearns right would get through and Winky would be stopped late on.

[Taeth]

Ok let me explain the difference between being power, and having a knock out punch... Even Steward said that Hearns didn't have all that much power, but he knew when to use his right hand, and could land it well... He doens't have to hit as hard to be a knockout puncher ...i ts more about placement, timing, and the opponent not seeing it, and he was the master of that, but Winky IMO could take his punch if Leonard could.

[Taeth]

He similar enough to Taylor, but didn't have Taylor's power or chin, though he did have that knockout punch... IMO WInky would beat him with pressure, and have a much easier time against Hearns than he did against the much bigger Taylor.

Ha ha - you're funny !

If winky tried to outbox Hearns, he would have been outpinted like everyone else was. Nobody ever outboxed Tommy.

If he tried to pressure him, he would have been kayoed. Hearns kayoed genuine light heavies, never mind blown up junior middles.

Winky is a very good fighter, but Hearns is an all time great.

For Hearns vs Winky, just watch Hearns vs Virgil Hill. Winky fights just like Virgil used to, except he's a lot smaller !!

ALso don't be fooled I bet Taylor could knock down plenty of legit lightheavy weights with easy.. Size doesn't necessarily change the quality of chin, and it wasn' the power of Hearns' punches but how that he was tricky in how he threw his right hand. Roy Jones Jr. would out box Hearns. Michael Nunn would have outboxed Hearns. James Toney would have out boxed Hearns. IMO even Hopkins could have found a strategy to outbox Hearns... to say that a boxer can't be outboxed is stupid.

Winky is good enough to take Hearns' punches IMO, and he would block almost all of them anyways while he would beat Thomas to the jab because he beats everyone to the jab even Mosley, and then Taylor at 34!!boxing style, and with nowadays training methods, and Winky still fought him to a draw.

Also WInky is easily stronger than almost any middleweight out there... There is almost nobody who can stand up to the barrage he took from Taylor and still come foreward the whole fight.

Wow, hypocrite.

You say 'to say that a boxer can't be outboxed it stupid', but then you go on to say Winky beats everyone to the jab, therefore he'd beat Tommy to the jab. Double standards there. THAT, my friend, IS stupid.

Hearns was quicker AND sharper with the jab than Winky. And I'd hazzard to say he was harder with it.

Taylor couldn't stop a shopworn, blown up light-middleweight in Raul Marquez (who Vargas stopped, AT the Texans preferred weight) so I wouldn't fancy him to knock out any light-heavyweight actually.

As for the guys you mentioned who'd outbox Hearns? Well, I would give RJJ a shot, prime RJJ...And maybe Hopkins, though that would be close. As for Nunn, no way. Tommy would blast him into orbit. He does everything better. Toney? That'd be interesting. I'm a big fan of James, but even I would disagree that he'd outbox a prime Hitman Hearns. Hearns would have reach advantages, and that could look like the Jones Jr.-Toney fight at times, though admittedly that could be close.

Overall I think your post is very harsh on a magnificent all-time legend in Hearns.

Its match-up issue IMO is why Hearns would lose... it has nothing to do wiht who's the better boxer(thoguh I think he is as well)... The reason why Wright beats people to the jab is because nobody up until now has been able to block his jab, while he's been able to nullify theirs... I am being general saying he will beat anybody to the jab I mean he has beaten everyone heh as of yet he's foughten to the jab including a guys way faster than Hearns(Mosley, Robert Frazier, etc.). He has done it many times. What well known BOXER has Hearns outboxed either than Leonard who IMO was fast enough to fight on the outside against sluggers, but would have trouble against anyone with a Hearns, Lennox Lewis, Jermain Taylor type of style. Also Hearns at welterweight didn't have a faster jab than Winky at light middleweight. Even if he did it wouldn't matter unless he was Mayweather quick at getting in and out otherwise even people like Taylor who has a jab at least as good as Hearns' was largely nullified by the likes of Wright because of Wright's timing and the repetitiveness of his jab.

[The_Mac10]

Please.

Mosley way faster than Hearns? The chunky 154Lbs version of Mosley, who hadn't claimed a convincing victory in three years when Winky caught him? I don't think so.

Winky is a great jabber. I'm not arguing that. And he can counter wonderfully. But Hearns was EXCEPTIONALLY difficult to counter. He darted in and out quickly, on his toes always, moving left and right, poking you with the jab, dropping in the big right hand counter, flurrying. I think you're truly underestimating Tommy here. Winky looked great against Shane because, as I said, Shane was on a bad run, up at an uncomfortable weight, and he CAME STRAIGHT FORWARD. Wink just covered up and outworked him, Shane was wide open for the jab. Tommy is a completely different ball game.

Tommy presents a different challenge than Taylor. Watch the two. Hearns is superb. Taylor is very good.

It's easy to ask 'what known boxer has Tommy outboxed'? What known boxer has Winky outboxed?! He certainly didn't outbox Taylor, that was a real close fight. That point is irrelevant. We KNOW Wink is a great boxer and we know Tommy was too.

WHAT THE HELL? Winky has a a faster jab than Hearns? No way. I have to completely disagree with you there. I've never been like 'Wow, Winks jab is super fast'. When I watch Tommy's that's what I'm thinking.

And Taylor's jab is good, though not as good or as fast as Tommys, and not as sharp. And like I said, he was nullified where Hearns would not be, because the Hitman darts in and out and has great lateral movement. Plus, I don't think Hearns would even need to dance. He steps in with a few well timed, connected right hands Winky is getting smoked.

[Lords Gym]

He similar enough to Taylor, but didn't have Taylor's power or chin, though he did have that knockout punch... IMO WInky would beat him with pressure, and have a much easier time against Hearns than he did against the much bigger Taylor.

Ha ha - you're funny !

If winky tried to outbox Hearns, he would have been outpinted like everyone else was. Nobody ever outboxed Tommy.

If he tried to pressure him, he would have been kayoed. Hearns kayoed genuine light heavies, never mind blown up junior middles.

Winky is a very good fighter, but Hearns is an all time great.

For Hearns vs Winky, just watch Hearns vs Virgil Hill. Winky fights just like Virgil used to, except he's a lot smaller !!

Interesting comparison Wright to Hill. Wright does though the str8 right more ( in his case the str8 left) interesting read

[Jody Lane]

He similar enough to Taylor, but didn't have Taylor's power or chin, though he did have that knockout punch... IMO WInky would beat him with pressure, and have a much easier time against Hearns than he did against the much bigger Taylor.

Look at Hearns-Benitez fight and that is wha you would have seen in Hearns-Wright