I can only imagine the type of fight that would be I dont really know were i would put my money but i would go for chavez cus im a chavez fan 12th UD or late KO
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I can only imagine the type of fight that would be I dont really know were i would put my money but i would go for chavez cus im a chavez fan 12th UD or late KO
sorry i mean PBF u know what i mean mayweather
tough call...........Quote:
Originally Posted by MR_TWINKY13
but i did catch the meldrick taylor vs. chavez fight, and based on that id say pbf wins the decision (although jcc has been known to have a few decisions go his way eventhough he lost the fight)
pbf wouldnt be dumb enough to trade shots with jcc like taylor did, and pbf is a much better fighter than meldrick taylor ever was
Another very hard to call dream fight. I would edge towards Mayweather however, but i just do not know!
Meldrick fought like a man possessed that night,throwing,what,1,060 punches and had some of the fastest hands I have ever seen in my life!However,JCC,being the fricking machine that he is,just kept coming and coming and coming and Meldrick stood toe to toe for those last 3 rounds and you saw his face!
I'm not sure,PBF,boxing,may just outwit Chavez but I'd risk it and say Chavez catches him somwhere and damages him.I say Chavez,late tko OR,MayweatherWIDE UD!
If you are going by their true primes I say JCC...SOO tough and Floyd could not slow him down plus Chavez was a smart fighter....I go with Julio... to much in Floyds face...
JC CHAVEZ TKO....ask Roger and Floyd Sr. about how good Julio was
Floyd is 5x the fighter his uncle was and about 10x the fighter his father was not to mention much more gifted physically and athletically ....Floyd gets the desicion but is in the fight of his life ;) to fast,slick and elusive and an impregnable defense, pinpoint accuracy....Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
I find it hard to count Floyd as the underdog in almost every match. Logically, if we base things solely on stats and past fights, we can say Floyd would win. But Chavez was the type of fighter who could change things so drastically in a fight, he once made the sun orbit around earth. lol.
Julio Cesar Chavez doesnt wear a watch he decides what time it is!
Mayweather would destroy Mr. Padded Record.
padded record ??? why cause he fought anyone who stepped up, didnt pick his fights to guys he knew he could beat. not to mention he could beat just about anyone on his prime.
he wasnt like "oh no he is not in my class i'm too good to fight anybody, Im the greatest"
No. Chavez never picked his fights to guys he knew he could beat ::** Evidence of this is backed up by him defending his superlightweight title with a record of 67-0 against a guy who was 0-0. No padding whatsoever ;D ;D ;D ;D
OK, the guy wanted a shot. u cant blame chavez for giving him the chance i think it was kind of him, plus remember that nobody wanted to box him at the time or am i wrong???
if chavez was just looking out for his record he would never would been calling out the best out there at the time.
But then again he was'nt as great as mayweather! yea OK dude ;)
That's the pot calling the kettle black!Quote:
Originally Posted by ImRipped
JCC had 0 amateur fights...and yet he still was good enough to beat the Mayweathers, Taylor, Camacho and so on. And when he was past it he fought Tszyu and De la Hoya...he also fought Pernell Whittaker (I believe he lost but he fought the guy)
PBF has stepped up vs Corrales, Gatti, Judah etc but he's got a ways to go to be on JCC's level
Duran and Sanchez would have given PBF some trouble too not to mention Leonard and Hearns
ODH
Mosley
M. Taylor
Pryor
Basillio
Robinson
Whittaker
Trinidad
Wright
Would give him trouble too...so I agree that Floyd is one of the best boxers fighting today but All-Time Great? Not just yet
Chavez had over 100 fights and you can only name like 3 worthy guys ;D ;D ;D,. Face it, he had like 106 wins and over 100 of them worked part time as cadavers for medical students.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Yeah and Floyd won't fight half that many fights and he still won't have names like Whittaker, Taylor, The Mayweathers, and so on, on his record
...at least Chavez didn't duck Kostya Tszyu OR Oscar De la Hoya...can Floyd say that? And both those guys are OLD now, what's his excuse???
Really? Wow. I could have sworn Oscar de la Hoya was a junior middleweight when Floyd was still fighting at lightweight. Yep. Prime duckage on Floyd's part ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Nice Post.. In fact I think alot of those guys would be favored and probably beat Floyd. I cant see Duran catching up to Floyds speed, and I just feel like he's just better than Pryor and Taylor. How fights against Oscar and Shane go depend on which weight its at. The rest are winnable fights for Floyd but I'd have him the underdog..Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Mayweather got a lil spanking by castillo I personally think he should have 1 loss. But hey i dont hate, chavez was given a couple fights too. but talking seriously with facts and all. I think mayweather would just be another in 100+ list of champions and bums like mr Imripped said on JCC record. I think the fight would be a lot like the tylor fights, medrik tylor was just as fast as PBF but he just couldnt damage JCC's chin and just couldnt keep up with JCC. But i defenetly would pay $49.99 to see a fight like that now those were PPV fights.
Then you obviously havent watched Mayweather fight and if your gonna make claims like "and I just feel like he's just better than Pryor and Taylor. How fights against Oscar and Shane go depend on which weight its at. The rest are winnable fights for Floyd but I'd have him the underdog.."Quote:
Originally Posted by MajorityDecision
I feel like you should back your claims by telling us why would Floyd be an underdog??? What do those fighters have that he dosent????
Taylor was in no way shape or form smarter or as technically sound as Floyd, Let alone half the defensive wizadry.. Taylor was another tough Philedelphia fighter that relied more on his athleticism then technical skillz.. Believe me I was a Huge Taylor fan...You guys assume that Floyd would stand there and trade toe to toe with Chavez....Well for all you that havent watched Floyd fight and for those who forgot how he fights let me remind you....Floyd has as much ring smarts and awareness as anyone that ever has Boxed....Floyd fights Floyds fight...He NEVER loses composure and NEVER gets lured in fighting another fighters gameplan........thats why he is the best in the business right now, Cause he systematically breaks his opponents down and fights to his own paceQuote:
Originally Posted by MR_TWINKY13
Taylor isin't even half the fighter that Floyd Mayweather jr is
I don't understand why you would mention 'The Mayweathers,' as if beating Floyd Sr. and Roger Mayweather is some major accomplishment. Then you go on to mention Whitaker, the man who absolutely schooled Chavez to death. I think the point trying to be made here is Chavez's record was padded, meaning his WINS were padded. What use is mentioning other fighters he fought who beat him? That only further validates the point that he was only successful against tomato cans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
OK OK but JCC was known for MAKING guys fight his way all of his fights he always started really slow giving away the first couple rounds and as the fight went on he got stronger and they ended it up fighting JCC's way, backing down and JCC all up in their face, he was exellent in cutting the ring. PBF is great at cutting the ring too and countering, but not enough power for JCC chin, so I think JCC would kick PBF's a$$.
but even if these two fighters were in the same time, they would never fight because PBF would think that JCC was too slow and not enough for him as he thinks of the rest of the fighters today.
He'd be right. sorry
O come on skyler stop hating on JCC how u gonna hate on him just because he liked to fight anybody that stepped up in the ring with him hey the man loved to box.
not like other boxers that fight maybe once a year, sh!t he didnt have any amature fights.
Not his fault, now other thing would be if avoided good fighters that wanted to fight him which he didnt and then claim to be the greatest of all time.
Still not buying it dude...Floyd is a very underrated Body puncher and mixes his punches very well, he is extremely accurate and will do enough to keep JCC off of him also Floyd has the ability to anticipate were punches are coming from ...Quote:
Originally Posted by skyler
Say what you want JCC had a once in a life time stroke of luck against Meldrick Taylor sure he won but we all know he lost...Also got lucky again against Whitaker which Whitaker got screwed....The truth is JCC never HONESTLY did good with that type of fighter...Floyd wins!!!
You're missing the point here. No one's hating on Chavez. The fact is he had only a handful of quality wins in over 110 fights, literally, you could count on one hand his important wins and still have fingers left over. No one's saying he ducked anyone. The problem is he barely fought anyone either, and when he did, more times than not, he lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by MR_TWINKY13
Sorry bro thought you were agreeing with himQuote:
Originally Posted by skyler
ok yea thats kinda true. But take in consideration that if JCC and PBF fought, if JCC was loosing he would be doing whatever he could to win (lowblows, headbutts anything).
he would take the victory aha!
ok that was my wholepoint when i posted this i was just saying that it would be a bad@ss fight thats all and then you'all started hatin on JCC na J/K
He's not fighting him now even though he has the oppertunityQuote:
Originally Posted by ImRipped
jackass
OK Floyd vs these guys
Duran @ 130: Duran is one of the GREATEST ever at this weight, he's strong, tough, a good boxer with POWER. When he caught Floyd it would be ALL OVER...imagine Jose Luis Castillo but tougher and more powerful
Sanchez @ 130 now Chava was one of the better fighters at 126 but he could have EASILY made the move up to 130 and dominate.
Leonard from 140-154 he was one of the fastest slickest and best boxers ever. He's too quick and too slick for PBF
Hearns 147-154 his power and boxing skills are undenyable. He would blast Floyd out EASY.
ODH from 130-154 he would be too tough to KO and slick enough himself to win a decision and he has more power than anyone Floyd has stepped int he ring with
Mosley 135-154 he's quick, tough and has more power than Floyd...you don't brawl with him for too long
M. Taylor just like Shane but threw the quickest combinations I have ever seen
Pryor one tough SOB at 140 there are very few who could last 12 with him
Basillio at 147 beat a Prime Ray Robinson....that good enough reason for you??? He's small but packed a hell of a punch and had great workrate
Robinson 147 one of the GREATEST P4P EVER!!!
Whittaker 147 he's slick, he's quick, and almost impossible to hit
Trinidad 147-154 he's got great power like Hearns and he knows how to use it
Wright 154 best defensive fighter out there today
Arguello 130-135 big, powerful and a good boxer
Those good enough reasons? I mean I think if you really want to talk about it explain to me why Floyd would be favored in any of those fights?
Lyle, it was Oscar de la Hoya who postponed the highly anticipated November 4th showdown with Mayweather until next May, not the other way around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Because his pops said "I don't want Floyd to get hurt"
Oh I will tomorrow....I gotto work in the morning but in the meantime we misewell hang a 15 under the L column for Floyd in Lyle's Fantasy Boxing League...God I love to Hate your opinion sometimes ;D...OH and dont think I didnt see your other Bullshiz post that said Marciano and dempsey would beat Tyson...LOL!!!!!!! Man I love this forum..Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
its too tough to determine right now since floyd has finished his career. he needs to step up more against guys like margarito and delahoya. if this is his peak i dont take him over chavez, but hey some more wins over big names in the next couple years maybe ill change my mind. oh, and about chavez giving a title shot to a guy who was 0-0-0. i looked up his record and the only opponent with that record was for a non title fight. which is fine because those fights are not mandatory and just glorified sparring to keep a fighter sharp for bigger fights.
Uncle Roger can tell Lil Floyd all about prime 130lbs Chavez... Well about 6 minutes of JCC prime anyway! ;)
Chavez would be too intense for young Floyd.
Chavez WU12 (8 rounds to 4)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Pryor!!!!!....Man you ain't kidding there...I don't know how many of you guys were around in the 80's but Pryor was a genuinely bad M&^%$# F^%$#!!!!....As good as Arguello was Pryor beat him like a chain snatcher in the park...NO ONE!!!!! AND I MEAN NO ONE...Wanted to fight that man...Believe me there was no shame in that....
Marciano and Dempsey would beat Tyson...Tyson had the greatest lack of heart and dedication out of any heavyweight champion I know whereas Rocky and Jack had more than enough...you think those guys were afraid to get hit??? You don't think Dempsey was a tough mother fucker??? Firpo knocked him OUT OF THE RING and Jack STILL came back to KO him!!! As for Rocky he was knocked down and behind on points but still able to win vs a couple guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock